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On the other hand a possible shooter knowing that no one is armed on a campus, does that not provide an incentive to carry out their shooting spree on a school campus. |
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http://ktla.com/2013/10/23/3-student...l-safety-demo/ |
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Didn't say that at all. You need to be a cop with lots of experience to keep children safe on a school campus. CCW holders, gardeners and yes, trainmen, do not posses the experience, training or expertise in responding to an event such as Sandy. That you can't grasp that is lost on me. Perhaps that's why you're better suited in your present employment. You don't understand what it means to provide for the publics safety. You just don't know. I've said it before, just because you know how to hammer a nail, and have watched home improvement shows on tv, does not mean you have the skills, or know how to build anything.
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You obviously live in some other California. Next time you visit Orange County, I'll personally walk you through several school grounds any time day or night.
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Better yet, where was the SRO for Columbine High School? Did the police rush in to save the kids while the incident was in progress...
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Please take your meds,or stop drinking before posting. We are discussing CCW on school grounds and those who think their presence would somehow be of benefit, rather than potentially create more problems. Think SB707.
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Cops are reactionary, it's the nature of the beast. Armed citizens are the first line of defense, and I'd rather there be armed citizens, able to respond, than unarmed citizens forced to cower in fear and wait for the police. You act like its rocket science to confront one or more armed men killing unarmed innocents. Like there would be some big shoot/no shoot question. What would be the difficult call there? |
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To handle and deal with such a scenario as a school shooting? Yes, that's exactly what LEO's have been training and preparing for since Sandy. Active shooter training and drills on campus are taking place continuously. Who do you think is a well prepared and trained to handle it? CCW'ers???? The Navy SEALS??
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Of all the school shootings that have been in the news since Columbine -- which would have been worse if a CCW holder had been there? Edit: and in your previous post you referenced Sandy, I can only assume you meant Sandy Hook. How could a CCW holder have made that worse? |
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I posted a story about a motor officers rifle being discharged on a playground. Perhaps you have an example of a similar incident involving someone with a CCW. Do we really need to revisit the DEA agent who discharged is weapon into his foot at an event at a school? You know the guy, "I am the ONLY one in this room professional enough... BANG" The he goes for another gun. He is not even in a stressful situation and he shoots himself. Sell your fantasies elsewhere, history is not on your side. Seems LE is a more dangerous armed element on school campuses. Look at my former posts regarding LE, you'll see where I stand. |
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Officer's are the only ones experienced and trained enough to keep kids safe.
Officer shoots 4 year old in the leg while attempting to shoot her dog... http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/...ly-claims.html Oklahoma Police Kill 5-Year Old Boy While Shooting at Snake http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/08...-at-snake.html Tell us again how police keep kids safe, but are in some kind of extreme danger with a CCW'er around.
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In such a scenario, I can not imagine anyone choosing LE over The Seals. To even propose that a LE SWAT team is better trained than The Seals is insane. These men have incredible focus, discipline, split second decision making skills, and rumor has it, they are all decent shots. I am now beginning to think you may be one of those candidates that slipped through the cracks when it came to the psych evaluation. |
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They came up with supporting SB 707, well, after the fact and I mean well after the fact.
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Your ignorance appears to be growing.
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I'm leaning towards nepotism as the excuse for him having a job.
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I'll just leave this video of a highly trained LEO from an elite Federal Agency.
Who also happens to actually be inside a school classroom full of kids. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzHEOSyMqug "This is a Glock Fotay, I'm the only one in this room "professional enough" to carry a Glock Fotay." Oh Hell, you already know the rest. Last edited by pacrat; 07-02-2015 at 9:30 PM.. |
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Those cops who think they are the salt of the earth look very pathetic, in fact. |
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If this thread does anything useful, it shows us that there are some cops, Sergeants even, that are pretty immature, childish, and go to forums to start conflict by saying inflammatory things. And there are intelligent cops who are way more mature here as well.
roostersgt says ridiculous stuff all the time, all you have to do is read his/her other posts. Don't fall for it. It's pointless to engage. I can see how it can be fun stirring up trouble because it's so easy here, but doesn't make it the right thing to do. Last edited by enegue; 07-02-2015 at 9:42 PM.. |
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In fact, since I am a teacher, am there every day, and know who "belongs" on campus, I have less of a chance of accidentally shooting a student or staff member than a cop who may be "assigned to the school", but who is not on campus daily. My part in protecting my students would not be very "complex" at all, and in the case of a lone attacker, would end the threat. The same would be true of one of the "PTA mom's" who volunteer on campus on a daily basis. Unfortunately, being armed at work just isn't an option for most of us - and you want to make it even harder for a teacher, school staff members, or parent volunteer to be able to defend the students with anything more lethal than whatever blunt instrument they can find in the classroom.
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More than that, he poses as pro-2A and pro-CCW. I can't even imagine what anti-2A cops look like.
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I was just going to sit back and watch, as the thread showcased one biased opinion. I'm not LE, I just need to say the LEO that I know are by and large FOR the rights of the people to carry and to take action when lives are in the balance. There is a LE element which may take a similar view as our sgt. who is of course entitled to an opinion, he may find little agreement though. The idea of training and experience trumping the ability for armed persons to take measured action, deadly force in response to deadly force or the threat, Well if you subscribe to that idea then you had better call the FBI HRT because everyone knows only they can handle the possible hostage senario and negotiation you just proposed, no other LE or anyone else could do the right thing as they don't have enough training.
A armed person who is willing to take on an active shooter is actually only putting one person in harms way and that person is themselves. They have not been trained well enough to hold officer safety above all else. P.S. The DHS active shooter handbook states ' as a last resort engage the shooter and attempt to disable them.' this directive is aimed at civilians under attack by an armed assailant. What would be the best way to execute this action: with bare hands, a stapler, or a firearm? Last edited by 454CA; 08-21-2015 at 11:14 AM.. Reason: Clarity |
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I'm now done with this thread. Way too many people with inflated egos and delusions of heroics here. Good luck and take care. Enjoy each others vast experience and camaraderie in all things gun / CCW related. You're the experts here and know it all, with your vast amounts of courage, training and experience. I feel like I've been in a Call of Duty, or some other FPS type of forum here. Wow,,,,just wow....
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Sad to say, roostersgt with his elitist thinking is why the uninformed think the anti-2nd Amendment law makers have "our" best interests in mind with their agenda.
Go to an average USPSA match and watch the majority of LEO members being out shot by majority of members there. With their LEO "training" and non typical LEO gun enthusiasm to actually compete in a match, they are average at best in most cases. It's hard not to equate their poor performance when the news reports numerous shots fired to stop a criminal in his tracks. When accuracy isn't there with no real threat, it doesn't magically appear when the threat is real. |
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I feel sorry for the citizens who call 911, hoping for a real cop to help them, and get you instead.
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Sir, I hope you are never required to testify in court because you appear to be unable to recognize the difference between truth and fiction. |
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