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Pleasant Hill: Public Meeting on Firearms & Ammunition Sales in Residential Zones
So they are at it again, this time for the purpose of (I guess) restrictions on gun stores in certain areas that are deemed to be residential zones.
We went to one of these meetings in Pleasant Hill several years ago (that's how I met quite a few people here), and we were hugely successful. We have the opportunity to be hugely successful again. Where: Pleasant Hill City Council Community Rooms 100 Gregory Lane Pleasant Hill, California 94523 When: Thursday November 15, 2012 at 6pm (Standard Time) Here is the Facebook Even Page, and EVERYONE is invited. Erik. |
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I remember reading that a few Brady zombies are running for some city seats in P.Hill
in this upcoming election. I live in Walnut Creek but may need to show up to see what goes on. -g
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Brady group has been spreading this since Pinole. The gun dealer most affected would be Gun Works being a mixed residential zone. Last time they tries to place restrictions by 500 feet from residential and this would probably be the same. Yes here we go again.
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Ill be there!
And the local Claycord.com blog picked up on this also. http://claycord.com/2012/11/02/pleas...neighborhoods/ http://claycord.com/wp-content/uploa...ph_meeting.jpg
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I've gone back and re-read a couple of the articles (Pleasant Hill Patch and Halfway to Concord) and looked again at the comments. Two things in particular: the anti's are really trying to frame this as a public safety issue, and some of the commenters didn't seem to understand that a home-sales FFL has to comply with the same regulations as an FFL that has a store-front, and that buyers from a home-based FFL also have to comply with the law. I got the distinct impression that some of them thought that "selling guns out of a home" means that they can just by-pass the laws, as can the buyers. It's a fear and loathing campaign, and it works for some people.
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I'll be there.
Folks - if you can, take a couple hours out of your Thursday and show up. It's not a lot of work. If you don't want to talk, don't. But your presence alone helps to bolster our cause. Oh - and if you haven't had a chance, please take a moment to review this report by the City of Sunnyvale on firearms businesses. It's pretty instructive. I just might have a couple sets bound up for the Council.
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"Guns are dangerous" "This guy shouldn't have guns in his home - its dangerous" Or even "I'm a nurse, and I see gun violence all the time. Say no to guns. Dear Lord - isn't someone going to do something?!" Once again - the one guy they approved to do this went through all the hoops at the city, State and Federal level. He has no standing gun inventory (other than his own personal weapons). He is far from un-regulated. He was personally checked out by the City Police Chief and was found to be "squeaky clean". But let's not make this about the one guy. Let's do what has already been done. Let's ask "what public safety problem are you trying to solve?". There has been no problem - what potential problem are you therefore trying to solve? The City has limited resources. The City sees sales tax and other revenue from every lawful business. You guys already tried to go after brick and mortar gun stores and that blew up in your face. Why go after this one business, who has operated lawfully? DONT YOU HAVE BIGGER FISH TO FRY?
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Been working on spreading the word about this, here in PH and the Diablo Valley. A friend and local "business owner" asked for my help, in putting it up on their FB page, as well as talking to folks, face to face, here in the area.
I Don't have anyone on the the inside, per se, but another friend, who was one of the recent candidates for City Council (who did not win) was just telling me, last night, that there are several folks they've talked to, who are fed up with the Brady's. Many are also fed up with PH Council's nonchalance about being in the pocket of special interest groups, in general. This meeting is downstairs, I think (???) and not in the Council Chambers, where the zoning ordinance meetings were. Not entirely sure. As before, I'll be there. My better half will be stuck at work and is bummed she can't come, this time. Probably too late to get them in time, but the Calguns lapel pins ($4) would be a great innocuous way to find/I.D. fellow Calgunners, at these events. Wishing I had one, now. I remember for the zoning thing, people were saying to "dress nice" and not look like a bunch of miscreants. Got a good chuckle out of that, but probably good advice, nonetheless.
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Yes. Dress nice. Business casual is fine.
This isn't a fight. It's a workshop. Most of the objections to guns by these folks stem from ignorance - willful or not. California's gun laws are so byzantine they're almost impossible to understand. Combine that with ignorance about the basic workings of the actual hardware and you get unreasoning fear. Hoplophobia. We can help by being there. Lending our expertise to the process. Please join us.
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I'm planning to be there, and I do understand it's not a fight. I thought I'd research requirements a person has to go through to get a FFL, since I do believe people are ignorant of the regulations and the oversight of the sales, and of the buyers. I want to be able to counter any arguments people might come up with that home based sales are unregulated and will have no oversight.
I promise I'll dress decently. |
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My Calguns lapel pins just arrived in the mail... So I'll have one on, at the meeting. Mr. Dave also threw in some Calguns brochures and business cards, so I'll have those on me as well, to hand out. Hit me up if you need any.
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Be more calm, collected and professional than the anti's. Like most I have converted, they are anti because of upbringing, culture, unfamiliarity, etc. Out class them.
Their kids could be as lucky to grow up out doors, out in the prairies and mountains with dad and friends instead of straining the couch with an Xbox controller. |
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I am going.
Moderator, Can this be preed and cobined with this thread so that Puppy8a9's is on top? Erik. |
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Just show up - it'll be a good opportunity to meet folks. We usually do a little organization before the session starts.
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I'll be wearing one and as luck would have it, my better half is going to be able to come, after all (albeit a little late). Hope I can convince her to wear the other one. I got the idea and got in to this thread, a little late, so I don't know who does or doesn't have a pin, or other identifying ornament/clothing/tattoo, etc.
I was at both the planning commission meetings but didn't really meet any other Calgunners, even though I knew they were there. Saw their posts before & after each meeting, etc. Was a bit bummed out that we all kinda "passed in the night". This and the zoning issues, are local for me... and have a very direct effect, on some very dear friends of ours. So either way, we're in it for the long haul.
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lol - u no like my non gun related button?
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I like them fine, too. I think I suggested the pins before the buttons, but as scatterbrained as things have been of late... who knows! Either pin or button works, I think.
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You wanna get and distribute buttons?
FREE BUTTONS! |
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Nice.
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"Improvise, Adapt and Overcome" Last edited by osokne; 11-15-2012 at 10:50 AM.. Reason: Edit |
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Bump - 6 PM
The community rooms are in the 1-story building along Gregory. Here's the memo: http://www.ci.pleasant-hill.ca.us/Do...ter/View/10364 Here's the bit of PH code they want to talk about - http://www.ci.pleasant-hill.ca.us/Do...ter/View/10365 Please let the city have its introductory 'say'.
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Man I wish could have attended. I was there for the past PH events, and I really wanted to attend tonight. I'm sorry I could not make it...
I wish our effort well. And I hope the "work shop" is *open* to input...that's all that's needed. If we're well spoken, and aren't the craziest people in the room, we will do well (Oaklander).
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The Memo basically says there is no issue with public safety or criminal activity associated with this or any other licensed dealer in the city. It seems to indicate this ball got rolling due to somebody's "concerns"; which according to their own memo, are unfounded. Go get 'em Calgunners!
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More like inventing a problem... This permit has already been issued and there is an existing "track record" of no problems according to the city's own memo. The entire argument is moot at this point. The real issue is "I don't like guns". The bigger issue is "I don't like your civil right to have, buy or sell a gun". This country was founded on people doing business out of their homes.
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I've always preferred and used the term "providing a solution to a problem that doesn't exist"...and that's applicable here as well as everywhere they show up. They lack facts and substance - they rely soley on emotions. Best wishes folks. I look forward to an update... ETA: They NEVER have any data or statictics to back up their position - they only have emotion. They are well intended, but unfortunately quite missinformed.
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