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Old 08-28-2017, 3:47 AM
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If humans can be smuggled in, ammo should be little problem.
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"Walk" ?
Try that at the CA-AZ border.
Thinking you'll need scuba gear.
Of all the ways you can easily get into CA, you choose a river?
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All gun owners are considered the enemy in California.
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Does it affect reloading supplies or just completed ammunition?
No reloading components... yet.
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(a) Commencing January 1, 2018, a resident of this state shall not bring or transport into this state any ammunition that he or she purchased or otherwise obtained from outside of this state unless he or she first has that ammunition delivered to a licensed ammunition vendor for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 30312.
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(c) A violation of this section is an infraction for any first time offense, and either an infraction or a misdemeanor for any subsequent offense.
Looks like the import into the state only applies to residents of the state, and even then it is only an infraction.
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refresh my memory~~~ Does the ammo law go into effect Jan 1st 2018 or July 1st 2018... I'm hearing two different dates. My Walmart sporting goods Mgr said July 1 2018 and they were going to keep selling ammo with the new NICS guidelines.
Bump~~~ an answers PLEASE!!!
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Wouldn't it be undocumented ammo and not illegal. Seems to work for people.
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Jan 1, 2018 cannot order online anymore. Although no one in the state has been issued a licensed to sell ammo in 2018 as of yet. So I'm guessing there might be a delay in implementation since there would be no means to purchase ammo.

Stock up now prices are low.
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Jan 1, 2018 cannot order online anymore. Although no one in the state has been issued a licensed to sell ammo in 2018 as of yet. So I'm guessing there might be a delay in implementation since there would be no means to purchase ammo.

Stock up now prices are low.


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There's gotta be a CRPA lawsuit being prepared. Speciality ammo that is only available through mail order would be choked off, as no licensed vendor in the state is going to receive them for you. We'll be limited only to what's in stock at local ammo stores. A lot of people will be irreparably harmed come Jan 1.
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There's gotta be a CRPA lawsuit being prepared. Speciality ammo that is only available through mail order would be choked off, as no licensed vendor in the state is going to receive them for you. We'll be limited only to what's in stock at local ammo stores. A lot of people will be irreparably harmed come Jan 1.
Absolutely true. .22 Match shooters are in trouble unless they can make arrangements to buy test lots and then bulk cases of RWS, Eley or Lapua for their competitions. The State didn't consider this nor do they care.
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Bump~~~ an answers PLEASE!!!
Well, ya see, it depends...
The law pertaining to mail order shipments and vendor licensing goes into effect January 1, 2018. I assume that means (but haven't checked) that the ID, fingerprint, and APPS background check requirements for buyers, as well as the storage, display, and reporting requirements imposed on vendors go into effect on that date as well. The part about obtaining an ammo purchase ID doesn't go into effect until July 1, 2019.
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There's gotta be a CRPA lawsuit being prepared. Speciality ammo that is only available through mail order would be choked off, as no licensed vendor in the state is going to receive them for you. We'll be limited only to what's in stock at local ammo stores. A lot of people will be irreparably harmed come Jan 1.
The state does not care. This law was sold as a way of keeping ammo out of the hands of gang bangers and persons prohibited from possessing firearms. But what it really is, is a way to artificially inflate the cost of ammo and choke off the supply of out of state lower cost and specialty ammo, the end result of which is to discourage participation in shooting sports due to the costs involved. This is consistent with Kamala's certification of the microstamping law, the recent AR "assault weapons" registration law and future ban, the new serialization requirements for owned but unregistered weapons, etc.
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The state does not care. This law was sold as a way of keeping ammo out of the hands of gang bangers and persons prohibited from possessing firearms. But what it really is, is a way to artificially inflate the cost of ammo and choke off the supply of out of state lower cost and specialty ammo, the end result of which is to discourage participation in shooting sports due to the costs involved. This is consistent with Kamala's certification of the microstamping law, the recent AR "assault weapons" registration law and future ban, the new serialization requirements for owned but unregistered weapons, etc.
again it's all about making gun ownership so costly and burdensome that only the rich and connected can afford it.

the racist roots of gun control are playing a direct part. Yet the media of course is silent and always will be.
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Well, ya see, it depends...
The law pertaining to mail order shipments and vendor licensing goes into effect January 1, 2018. I assume that means (but haven't checked) that the ID, fingerprint, and APPS background check requirements for buyers, as well as the storage, display, and reporting requirements imposed on vendors go into effect on that date as well. The part about obtaining an ammo purchase ID doesn't go into effect until July 1, 2019.
Aren't they trying use NICS and not APPS for ammo purchases? That is what i remember hearing and the FEDS said no. you're not gonna use our system just for ammo and not guns.
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Aren't they trying use NICS and not APPS for ammo purchases? That is what i remember hearing and the FEDS said no. you're not gonna use our system just for ammo and not guns.
NY's 2013 SAFE Act had a similar ammo background check law that was rescinded because they couldn't get a new infrastructure built from scratch after the Feds said no to using their NICS system. As far as I know, CA doesn't have a new background check system in place to implement the new law(s) by Jan 1. That's probably the best chance of reprieve for us.
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Bump~~~ an answers PLEASE!!!
1/1/18 Must buy from a licensed dealer, no more internet purchasing.
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Jan 1, 2018 cannot order online anymore. Although no one in the state has been issued a licensed to sell ammo in 2018 as of yet. So I'm guessing there might be a delay in implementation since there would be no means to purchase ammo.
Bold, my emphasis.

They came out with a way for ammo retailers to apply for a license; have faith, they might even implement in time.

Better yet, CA DOJ gave a pass to California Firearms Dealers; we are already considered ammo dealers, need not apply, don't have to pay the fee. If your local FFL can DROS, he is already "licensed" to sell ammo.
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1/1/18 Must buy from a licensed dealer, no more internet purchasing.
7/1/18 Background checks, purchase authorizations required.



Bold, my emphasis.

They came out with a way for ammo retailers to apply for a license; have faith, they might even implement in time.

Better yet, CA DOJ gave a pass to California Firearms Dealers; we are already considered ammo dealers, need not apply, don't have to pay the fee. If your local FFL can DROS, he is already "licensed" to sell ammo.
Actually, I don't want them to implement in time for non FFL-retailers since that leaves another opening that could be attacked legally.

But good to know that FFLs can receive my internet order from 1/1/18 - 6/30/18 until the background checks officially start. I'm sure if I ask around my network, there's bound to be some mom & pop FFLs.
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Actually, I don't want them to implement in time for non FFL-retailers since that leaves another opening that could be attacked legally.

But good to know that FFLs can receive my internet order from 1/1/18 - 6/30/18 until the background checks officially start. I'm sure if I ask around my network, there's bound to be some mom & pop FFLs.
But are the mom & pops willing to deal with receiving, handling and storing ammo deliveries for customers? The ones I have asked stated they don't have the time or space to process customer ammo orders.
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But are the mom & pops willing to deal with receiving, handling and storing ammo deliveries for customers? The ones I have asked stated they don't have the time or space to process customer ammo orders.


If one could pull off an ammo reselling business from home, it still might not be worth the hassle. Let's just say you charged the bare min of $5 per case and then say $5 per day that customer doesn't pickup (storage fee). You would need to coordinate 20 orders to have them pickup the day the shipment arrives.... just to make $100.

Unless you've got some type of automated SMS/email notification system when the ordering arrives .... anything past 2 hours of work is too much. So that's 10 orders per hour, 6 minutes per customer. All that added traffic of people in and out of your neighborhood in a 2 hour span, your neighbors are going to wonder wtf is going on.


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In CA? In government doing the right thing/being efficient/not being corrupt? Good luck with that...
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But are the mom & pops willing to deal with receiving, handling and storing ammo deliveries for customers? The ones I have asked stated they don't have the time or space to process customer ammo orders.
This would be a contact doing me a favor as a friend. There are many hobbyists in the 2A community who happen to have FFLs, often collector types or small business gunsmiths, etc.

But yes, it sucks for the general population as they become disenfranchised by the new law. The poor, etc.
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In CA? In government doing the right thing/being efficient/not being corrupt? Good luck with that...
Have faith.... In them being able to screw us over.

As far as finding LGS's willing to do transfers for five bucks. The liability of my employee hurting their back picking up your case of ammo cost me more than $5.
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The state does not care. This law was sold as a way of keeping ammo out of the hands of gang bangers and persons prohibited from possessing firearms. But what it really is, is a way to artificially inflate the cost of ammo and choke off the supply of out of state lower cost and specialty ammo, the end result of which is to discourage participation in shooting sports due to the costs involved. This is consistent with Kamala's certification of the microstamping law, the recent AR "assault weapons" registration law and future ban, the new serialization requirements for owned but unregistered weapons, etc.
I absolutely agree this was their intent. And while I'm may have that effect I think it will also push many more people to become 03FFLs. Assuming most of the online retailers will ship to an 03FFL ( legally they can but will they) the pricing savings especially in sales tax and other fees mean it will be easy to come out ahead after only one or two bulk orders online. I often see online pricing off 50% of a LGS. Now once they create all these extra FFL03s what else will happen? I bet we see those same people ordering many more long guns to their door. Cause who doesn't want a Garand? Or a 1911 if the CMP gets them?
Just as the banned lowers and other trouble had lead to a growth in the 80% market ala this will also have c consequences they didn't for see.
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Death by a thousand cuts.

Just wait until Mr. Gavin is our governor. You think it’s bad now...?

California will probably be the poster child state for presedence to other states.
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Does anyone have the phone number to the black market? I think I'm gonna have to start buying my ammo from them.
Just about there with you bro...these damn laws in general, not just the ammo ones.

It's like staying legal in all regards is nearly impossible. Luckily, it seems our police forces in this state are not present to enforce any of the laws for the most part anyways. Drug use, prostitution, general lawlessness, etc. are rampant as far as I can see. I just don't get these laws, people igonore them and they're ineffective at stopping any real crime.
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Just about there with you bro...these damn laws in general, not just the ammo ones.

It's like staying legal in all regards is nearly impossible. Luckily, it seems our police forces in this state are not present to enforce any of the laws for the most part anyways. Drug use, prostitution, general lawlessness, etc. are rampant as far as I can see. I just don't get these laws, people igonore them and they're ineffective at stopping any real crime.
You are totally correct, however, you and me fear punishment so we stay in line and obey. This is what they want so that firearms disappear over time. It truly is the long game.

At some point we will have to decide if staying in line is worth it.

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Just about there with you bro...these damn laws in general, not just the ammo ones.

It's like staying legal in all regards is nearly impossible. Luckily, it seems our police forces in this state are not present to enforce any of the laws for the most part anyways. Drug use, prostitution, general lawlessness, etc. are rampant as far as I can see. I just don't get these laws, people igonore them and they're ineffective at stopping any real crime.
Because you are an innocent person who expects others to behave in a similar manner. It is hard for folks like us to understand these things, but we must wake up and understand that it is not about crime or bad guys, it is about control, over us.


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You are totally correct, however, you and me fear punishment so we stay in line and obey. This is what they want so that firearms disappear over time. It truly is the long game.

At some point we will have to decide if staying in line is worth it.

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