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Old 10-24-2016, 1:52 PM
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Default CCW allowed in Yosemite?

Just wanted to verify ... it is legal to carry in Yosemite National Park? I'm 99% sure the answer is yes but it doesn't hurt to ask. Thanks!


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Old 10-24-2016, 1:56 PM
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I have heard it is legal to carry in the National Parks but not inside buildings where federal employees work.
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https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/weapons.htm
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Old 10-25-2016, 10:48 PM
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Legal to carry, illegal to discharge your weapon for any reason. Also cannot carry in buildings with signs.
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Old 10-26-2016, 1:21 AM
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carry-yes.
use-NO.
keep out of ALL fed buildings. and where posted NO guns.
contract company's are not fed employee's so good to go in there...but not if posted.

go to the fed pages for Yosemite and read all the fine print. and state laws can be enforced.
at the least you can be charged with trespass.
worst. a free trip with all expenses paid for to club fed.

read and know the laws.


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Old 10-26-2016, 6:45 AM
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Thanks. That's what I thought.

Can carry but not use ... I just find that part funny.


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Old 10-26-2016, 6:56 AM
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I just came back from Yosemite. Carry big enough for wildlife IE no hallow points
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Old 10-26-2016, 6:58 AM
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I just came back from Yosemite. Carry big enough for wildlife IE no hallow points


Why no HP?


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I believe he thinking penetration more than tissue damage, (wildlife/animals)
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Legally I think anyone with a fishing license can ccw while going , coming or in the act of fishing on federal land.
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A bear or a big buck would laugh at hp, a human will still be dead from a RN
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I just came back from Yosemite. Carry big enough for wildlife IE no hallow points
Is this your personal recommendation? Or is there a law that mandates this? If it's the latter, can you please cite the law?
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Old 10-26-2016, 8:02 AM
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Is this your personal recommendation? Or is there a law that mandates this? If it's the latter, can you please cite the law?
I'm sorry i was not clear, strictly personal recommendation.
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Hardcast is not the law, but it is smart survival. I would't carry ordinary round nose or HP.

Read the story midway down this page (or below) https://www.buffalobore.com/index.ph...t_detail&p=388

And more info for stopping bears with handguns https://www.buffalobore.com/index.ph...uct_list&c=108



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Two days ago I was guiding a couple from NY on a fishing trip and decided to pack my S&W 3954 pistol . When we were approaching the stream we bumped into a large boar who must have been sleeping as we were talking loud just so we wouldn't suprise one. Over the past 33 years I have lived and guided here on the Alaska peninsula I have never had to kill a bear in defense of life but this bear was different.

We were in thick brush and I was only 8 or 10 feet from the bear when he started growling and huffing. I began yelling and it eventually ran around, behind my two clients, into the brush. But within 15 seconds it came charging back from the area behind us and popped out of the brush 10 feet from me ! I had the little S&W in my hands and was thinking I was probably going to have to shoot it but as it cleared the brush it headed toward my clients. The man had enough sense to grab his wife and fall backwards into the tall grass. The bear seemed to loose track of them, even though it was less than 3 feet away from them and it was highly agitated ! It then swung toward me, I was 6 or 8 feet away, and I fired the first shot into the area between the head and shoulder. It growled and started wildly thrashing around, still basically on the feet of my clients. My next shot hit it in the shoulder and it began twisting and biting at the hits and I continued firing as fast as I could see vitals. Five shots later it turned into the brush and I hit it again and it twisted and fell 20 feet from us !

We hiked out and I flew back to camp to report the incident to F&G and pick up my daughter to go back and skin the bear for F&G.

You are the first person I have told this story to as I haven't decided whether to write it up or not, or where, but thought you should know that your ammo WORKS. We recovered 4 of the bullets and I took a photo of the back of the bear after the hide was removed that shows an entry on one side of the back and the tip of the bullet on the off side ...

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As long as you have a valid California CCW you are good to go, however, no carry in any building where federal employees work.
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Big jake is correct, but in regards to bears, if you ever shot one, I think you would be doing time unless it bit off one of your limbs first.
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Big jake is correct, but in regards to bears, if you ever shot one, I think you would be doing time unless it bit off one of your limbs first.
You're absolutely correct... black bear lives matter.
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Big jake is correct, but in regards to bears, if you ever shot one, I think you would be doing time unless it bit off one of your limbs first.
I rather do time than losing limps.
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Thanks. That's what I thought.

Can carry but not use ... I just find that part funny.
Well you can't use it in a shopping mall either. In both cases, they just mean you can't use it recreationally - self defense should be fine.
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Legal to carry, illegal to discharge your weapon for any reason. Also cannot carry in buildings with signs.
Can you support your claim that signs carry any legal weight in CA? AFAIK, they don't unless they are a condition of your CCW.
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Can you support your claim that signs carry any legal weight in CA? AFAIK, they don't unless they are a condition of your CCW.
Maybe he meant buildings with signs that identify them as being federal buildings
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read and know the laws.
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I heard/think that the Feds have put a rule in that says whatever the laws of the state are where the park is located also apply in the park.
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I've read into this a while back. Can you still open carry if you don't have a ccw? These are the two thing that I remember reading from other post that confused me. Correct me if I'm wrong.
1. You can open carry with a magazine in the pistol but not one in the chamber.
2. You can open carry but the slide has to be locked back and magazine outside the pistol.
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I heard/think that the Feds have put a rule in that says whatever the laws of the state are where the park is located also apply in the park.
I believe you are correct.

I don't know if anyone has already posted this link here yet, but there is a pinned thread in the camping subforum about laws pertaining to carrying in various outdoor areas.

http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=186457

To summarize what that thread says about Yosemite National Park:

-You can carry in any fashion you want to within your campsite.
-Outside your campsite, you can only carry unloaded & in a locked container.
-Because no shooting is allowed anywhere in Yosemite, you cannot carry using the hunting/fishing exemptions.
-If you have a CCW, you may carry loaded & concealed as per usual (anywhere except inside federal buildings)


That might sound restrictive, especially for those without a CCW, but remember that prior to 2010, no guns were allowed inside Yosemite at all.
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Sorry to revive a relatively old thread, but with so many people applying for out of state CCW, would they be able to carry in Yosemite? For example, Could a CA resident with an AZ permit carry in Yosemite?
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Sorry to revive a relatively old thread, but with so many people applying for out of state CCW, would they be able to carry in Yosemite? For example, Could a CA resident with an AZ permit carry in Yosemite?
Nope. Ca doesn’t accept any other states reciprocity. Must have a Ca CCW. Sorry
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Sorry to revive a relatively old thread, but with so many people applying for out of state CCW, would they be able to carry in Yosemite? For example, Could a CA resident with an AZ permit carry in Yosemite?
I don't think so, I believe you would need a CA CCW permit. It is my understanding that National parks defer to the CCW law in the state in which they lie. I could be wrong.
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All National Parks follow state laws. If you have CA CCW you can carry. Out of state I don't think CA recognizes any so no. Posted buildings no.
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