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One main difference is that most religions you have to work and obtain the Nirvana, Enlightenment, etc to get to the higher or heavenly state.
In Christianity, the salvation state is an accepted gift of love that is given by God, but not deserved or worked for in which Jesus, his son took on the punishment as the ultimate blood sacrifice to atone for our bad behavior, so we could have a relationship with God.
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One main difference is that most religions you have to work and obtain the Nirvana, Enlightenment, etc to get to the higher or heavenly state.
In Christianity, the salvation state is an accepted gift of love that is given by God, but not deserved or worked for in which Jesus, his son took on the punishment as the ultimate blood sacrifice to atone for our bad behavior, so we could have a relationship with God.
So your saying that there is a similarity in Buddhism, Christianity, Judiasim, Islam and other faiths....that they all propose that you go to a higher state as long as you believe and have faith in your religion.

I think I got that right...
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So your saying that there is a similarity in Buddhism, Christianity, Judiasim, Islam and other faiths....that they all propose that you go to a higher state as long as you believe and have faith in your religion.

I think I got that right...
No, he is saying that all other religions require you to put a bit of work in to reach salvation. Christianity is "special" because you don't have to do a thing. Just for being alive You deserve eternal punishment because you are a sinner and all that jazz, but if you accept Jesus you get salvation free of charge because Jesus paid your bill.
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No, he is saying that all other religions require you to put a bit of work in to reach salvation. Christianity is "special" because you don't have to do a thing. Just for being alive You deserve eternal punishment because you are a sinner and all that jazz, but if you accept Jesus you get salvation free of charge because Jesus paid your bill.
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I see two interesting pieces. One, Jesus as the man, who was a teacher and figure of a new movement against the established religion. And Two, Jesus as the incarnate God who came to personally deliver the will of the Creator.

If Jesus were just a radical religious zealot who changed the status quo, given his time and place and documented history, it is very unlikely he knew anything about Buddha or his teachings. Not impossible, but unlikely.

If Jesus was indeed God incarnate, of course he was aware of Buddha, but being God incarnate, those ideas would have had zero effect on His message. Yes, there are similarities, but they come from very different foundations.

Believe what you will. The Bible does not include those 'lost years of Jesus' life' because they are not relevant to the message. Nothing is not given that is needed.

Its fun to speculate, but in the end there are few ideas that make sense.

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So seeing as we are playing a game about Christ and what he could have been and what he would have learned from budda. Lets change this a bit and throw in what budda may have learned from satan.

As satan believes in God and Christ, then I must believe in satan's existence. Would it be plausible that satan would teach near the same things that Christ taught, but without the acknowledgement of God to budda? All that satan needs to do is corrupt God word slightly. Is it possible budda was influenced by the devil? To teach peace without God is to not truly know peace.
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So seeing as we are playing a game about Christ and what he could have been and what he would have learned from budda. Lets change this a bit and throw in what budda may have learned from satan.

As satan believes in God and Christ, then I must believe in satan's existence. Would it be plausible that satan would teach near the same things that Christ taught, but without the acknowledgement of God to budda? All that satan needs to do is corrupt God word slightly. Is it possible budda was influenced by the devil? To teach peace without God is to not truly know peace.

so the devil knew exactly what god was gonna teach, instead of putting in work where god was going to teach to impact the people he was going to lead, the devil goes all the way out to india and nepal to mess with the Hindus long before jesus is ever born. not logical at all.

oh according to your bible god hardened the heart of the pharaoh then killed a sh*t load of egyption kids because the pharaoh did exactly what god wanted him to do by refusing to free the israelites. not super peaceful if ya ask me.
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so the devil knew exactly what god was gonna teach, instead of putting in work where god was going to teach to impact the people he was going to lead, the devil goes all the way out to india and nepal to mess with the Hindus long before jesus is ever born. not logical at all.
I know right? Pretty illogical. About as illogical as folks proposing that budda influenced God incarnate (Christ). So yes, we agree on something.
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Hey-y-y-y Bill,
Still wondering which Bible you make references to.
The question comes from Post#32.
Maybe you missed it.
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OK, I assume you are referring to Post #6 when you said:

"Luke 2:41-52 tell the story of his trip to Jerusalem for the Passover when He was 12. His parents went every year, so they didn't go anywhere either. And 2:51-52 says He returned and continued to grow up in Nazareth."

Which Bible are you getting that info?
Here is a link to a comparison of what several Bibles (5 of them) have in that Chapter/Verse of Luke2:51-52:
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None of them say he continued to grow up in Nazareth.

"And, remember 1 Cor. 4:6 - don't go beyond what is written in Scripture."
Sorry, my wife gave me her cold and I've been flat-out dead since Friday. Today's the first day I'm not sleeping until mid-afternoon. This one hit hard.

Yes, they say He continued to grow up in Nazareth BECAUSE Scripture (like any other book) is interpreted in context. If v.51 says He and his family returned to their home in Nazareth and V.52 says He grew up, then He grew up in Nazareth. Context and grammar rule in interpretation.

BUT, there's so much more in the totality of Christ's life and purpose.

First, in His first coming, He came to the Jews only. He makes this clear and the authors of the gospels make it clear (e.g. John 1:11). He didn't come to minister to the Gentiles (all non-Jews).

Second, in order for Him to perfectly fulfill the Law (Mosaic Law), He had to live under the law and never sin. He had to fulfill all the requirements of the Law with the feasts and sacrifices, etc. So, He to go Jerusalem several times a year to do so.

Third, others clearly witnessed to His being a hometown boy of Nazareth. Luke says "And He came to Nazareth, WHERE HE HAD BEEN BROUGHT UP" (emphasis mine):

Lk4:16 And He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up; and as was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath, and stood up to read.
Lk4:22 And all were speaking well of Him, and wondering at the gracious words which were falling from His lips; and they were saying, “Is this not Joseph’s son?” 23 And He said to them, “No doubt you will quote this proverb to Me, ‘Physician, heal yourself! Whatever we heard was done at Capernaum, do here in your hometown as well.’*” 24 And He said, “Truly I say to you, no prophet is welcome in his hometown.

So, He was brought up there, had to be under the law to fulfill the law without missing His responsibilities, came only to the Jews, not the Gentiles, etc. Read and the study the gospels.

I'm sure if I was feeling better, more obvious things would come to mind, but I have to get caught back up on other things. A nap first.

I saw your other post about similar teachings of Buddha. remember than everyone has a conscience (Romans 2:14-15). Written on the conscience is "the work of the Law." That says that God has written, the essence of His right and wrong, into everyone's conscience. So, everyone innately knows, and can therefore articulate many basic principles of God's righteousness. In addition, Moses lived almost a thousand years before Buddha. God gave him the Mosaic Law, and that was available for Buddha to learn from. Christ created Buddha. The Creator has nothing to learn from the created creature.

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First off, I'm a Buddhist and have been for most of my life. I like to read about other faiths and see how they are in line with my Buddhist way of life.

So...my thought....
Its well documented about Jesus' early years, but there is a time frame that he was gone.
Are you acknowledging that Jesus was a real historical figure? If so, the important question is whether you believe that he came back to life, which has implications on your eternal future.
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What's so earth-shattering about that?
If Obama told his daughters 10 years ago to follow instructions in class and I told my daughters the same thing yesterday, THAT somehow means I borrowed parenting wisdom from Obama and that makes me a liberal?

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Here is interesting little tidbit...

Buddha taught:
"Consider others as yourself"

Jesus taught:
Treat others the same way you want them to treat you. Luk 6:31
You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Mark 12:31

Keep in mind that the Buddha lived about 250 years prior to Jesus. I think it is not that unusual for the Buddha to come up with his teaching. Both Jesus and Buddha could have certainly come up with the same teaching without being taught themselves.
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Turnin the other cheek
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"If anyone should give you a blow with his hand, with a stick, or with a knife, you should abandon any desires and utter no evil words." (Majjhima Nikaya 21:6)
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"If anyone strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also." (Luke 6:29)


Helping others is cool
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"If you do not tend to one another, then who is there to tend you? Whoever would tend me, he should tend the sick." (Vinaya, Mahavagga 8:26.3)
Jesus
"Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me." (Matthew 25:45)

Rich people ain't so cool
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"Let us live most happily, possessing nothing." (Dhammapada 15:4)
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“Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God." (Luke 6:20)
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I think this sums it up pretty well.
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I think this sums it up pretty well.
Pretty good read.
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Buddha taught:
"Consider others as yourself"

Jesus taught:
Treat others the same way you want them to treat you. Luk 6:31
You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Mark 12:31

Hillel 110 BC
"What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow: this is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn"
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Several posters are commenting on the Golden Rule similarity between Christ, Buddha, Hillel, etc.

The author of the Golden Rule is God, Himself. He gave to Moses directly in the Law and made sure we'd remember it came from Him. Since Moses died about 1400 BC, the writing down of the Mosaic Law came before then.

Lev. 19:18 ‘You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the sons of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am the LORD.

And, remember this is positively stated. Many/most of the others are the negation, which is not the same. The original Buddha version is the negation.

God, Himself, is truth. Every time He speaks,He speaks the truth. No one else can speak truth unless they borrow it from God. He is Creator and created creatures can't know truth unless it's revealed to them by God.
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Several posters are commenting on the Golden Rule similarity between Christ, Buddha, Hillel, etc.

The author of the Golden Rule is God, Himself. He gave to Moses directly in the Law and made sure we'd remember it came from Him. Since Moses died about 1400 BC, the writing down of the Mosaic Law came before then.

Lev. 19:18 ‘You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the sons of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am the LORD.

And, remember this is positively stated. Many/most of the others are the negation, which is not the same. The original Buddha version is the negation.

God, Himself, is truth. Every time He speaks,He speaks the truth. No one else can speak truth unless they borrow it from God. He is Creator and created creatures can't know truth unless it's revealed to them by God.
Your posts certainly are derived from your faith in the bible.
I too have faith in the teachings of the Buddha.
We are both different but we both have faith.
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One main difference is that most religions you have to work and obtain the Nirvana, Enlightenment, etc to get to the higher or heavenly state.
All you have to say is Nam Myoho Renge Kyo.


























































You are now going to nirvana, just by saying it or saying it in your mind.
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First off, I'm a Buddhist and have been for most of my life. I like to read about other faiths and see how they are in line with my Buddhist way of life.

So...my thought....
Its well documented about Jesus' early years, but there is a time frame that he was gone. From what I have read, he disappeared for about 30 years. During the time of Jesus, the spice road and trade was a big deal at that time. It would make sense that someone would work on the caravans and travel to and from the Asian countries. I'm thinking Jesus learned about the Buddha and his teachings while he was in Asia. He then brought those teachings to the middle east.

I'm not saying this is absolutely true, but am wondering if it might be. Afterall, Buddha was alive about 250 years prior to Jesus and his teachings were well documented and taught during that time.

So watcha think?

I know that your faith and truth of the word will keep you in one thought, but try to open your mind and see if there might be some truth to the story. Or not.
I'm not sure Jesus travelled to India. There is evidence the Buddhist message travelled as far as Palestine and Greece. Google "Greco Buddhism." A friend of mine is into Stoicism. There are a lot of similarities between what the Greek Stoics taught and Buddhism. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case.
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Funny discussion around a decent question -- was Jesus influenced by Buddhism?

Short answer is: Unlikely to the point of being able to dismiss it. There are far simpler possibilities. Jesus of Nazareth was a Palestinian Jew. Zoroastrianism, Buddhism and the Babylonian exile of the Jews all happened at about the same time and Judaism was heavily influenced by Zoroastrianism. Jesus wouldn't be around for another 600 years after all that mixing of cultures in the east. Bible thumping folks need to brush up on their reading of the minor prophets during the Exilic and Post-exilic periods. Very interesting history. Pretty much all the upper class, royalty and nobility were exiled to live as bureaucrats in Babylon & Persia, then released back by Cyrus of Persia but they didn't leave until Darius sent them off at around 539. It's an interesting political strategy -- setup your own ruling elites in the conquered lands while exiling the conquered elites to live and rule under close watch in the home country. Lots of cultural mixing happened back in those lands. They brought some of that culture back with them. Ever wonder why there is no discussion of an afterlife in the Bible until the second half of Isaiah (a.k.a. Second Isaiah)? Everlasting life in the Hebrew/Canaanite tradition was via your genetic line & story (you have children for many generations and they all tell stories about you until the end of time). It wasn't until after mixing with the Zoroastrians that Jews started talking about ideas about some immortal soul or a magical land where you live after dying.

Jesus was a Jew. Pure and simple. And he was a good Jew. The Golden Rule was a positive restatement of what was already in the Rabbinical literature as negative (don't do to others what you wouldn't have them do to you). It's a good rule of thumb to live by & sticks in the memory. It was probably just good folk wisdom of the day, as it is today.

Jesus's father was a carpenter or, more likely, a stone mason by trade. He worked during a building frenzy by Herod. Think massive public works projects. Lots of work for stone masons in a land where stone is the main construction material. Herod had palaces everywhere. The Romans built cities all over the place (especially on the outskirts of the empire). But that ended during Jesus's more formative years. The result? Economic collapse, poverty, unemployment, desperate times. Now you wonder why Jesus was such a fan of the poor, the downtrodden, hookers and others struggling to make ends meet in the wake of all that public money going away. He saw first hand the suffering they endured. But, as is the case today, they are also the hotbeds of radicalization and are ripe to take their frustrations out on the ruling elites by revolt. Jesus, yet one more Messiah to try his hand at mobilizing a revolt against the Romans, got squashed with the rest of them. So ended his "ministry."

All that to say that recreating a story where he travels to India or Tibet with caravan traders in the desert is a pretty far stretch. Judaism wasn't even the same among the desert tribes. There, sometimes, Yahweh had a consort (wife) and altars were built to both of them. Even if he had traveled with desert caravans, it is more likely that he would pick up THEIR beliefs before those of the places he visited briefly before getting back on the road. Yet none of those beliefs of a male/female godhead made it into Jesus's teachings.

Jesus also grew up in Nazareth, which was not a big trading hub. It was a small, backwater town that is very conservative (even today) and away from the hub of economic and political life on the coast and in Jerusalem. That's not to say that he couldn't walk out of Nazareth & join the circus. But it certainly doesn't make it an easy connection, either.
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No. Jesus is the creator of all Things. He was influenced only by His own Self. In order to understand Who He is one must understand Him by the understanding of 1st century Greeks. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1105376
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No. Jesus is the creator of all Things. He was influenced only by His own Self. In order to understand Who He is one must understand Him by the understanding of 1st century Greeks. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1105376
Why the Greeks? That could tell us a lot about Paul and his perspective on Jesus since Paul was a Hellenized Jew. But Jesus was Palestinian, neither Greek nor a Hellenized Jew. Looking to the Greeks to understand Jesus is like looking to the UK to understand Yasser Arafat. Yes, they have a role but it's pretty far off the mark. Knowing the Greeks also helps us understand the early church since Paul spread Christianity all over the Hellenistic world. But that's still not Jesus.

Unless, of course, you're talking about the role of Messiahs in the Greco-Roman period. There were a lot of them and, due to Antiochus IV's desecration of the temple, the Greeks got the brunt of a lot of the Palestinian Jews' hatred. But Palestinian Jews and Hellenized Jews were very different from each other. The church accepts Paul as an apostle but he never even met Jesus of Nazareth (unless you count 2 hallucinations of a dead man the same as meeting him in person).

Of course, there's only so much we can gain from learning about Jesus from his followers. Might as well try to learn about Bin Laden by only reading his followers. Yes, you'll learn a lot but you're getting a pretty biased opinion. Historians of the day (Tacitus, for example) barely give him a footnote. Seems about right to me.
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I don't want to put words in RAMCLAP's keyboard, but I believe what he means is to have an understanding of the Greek language and contemporary semantics; how that may be profitable in studying what some of the writings of the New Testament, particularly the Gospel of John, contain in reference to Jesus.
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If you'd have read what I wrote you'd have known that Israel was part of the Greek empire and all spoke Greek
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Jesus and His Jewish contemporaries most likely spoke Aramaic. However, the NT is written almost entirely in Koine Greek with just a tad of Aramaic in the Gospels.

There's more Aramaic in the OT (e.g. Daniel).

But the language alone doesn't tell you about Jesus and what He was like. The only way to learn that is through the revelation of His life in the Gospels and expanded teaching in the Epistles. Jesus was very unlike any of His contemporaries - even the Jews of His time.

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Again. Just click this http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1105376 and much will be cleared up. It's not long.
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Funny discussion around a decent question -- was Jesus influenced by Buddhism?

Short answer is: Unlikely to the point of being able to dismiss it. There are far simpler possibilities. Jesus of Nazareth was a Palestinian Jew. Zoroastrianism, Buddhism and the Babylonian exile of the Jews all happened at about the same time and Judaism was heavily influenced by Zoroastrianism. Jesus wouldn't be around for another 600 years after all that mixing of cultures in the east. Bible thumping folks need to brush up on their reading of the minor prophets during the Exilic and Post-exilic periods. Very interesting history. Pretty much all the upper class, royalty and nobility were exiled to live as bureaucrats in Babylon & Persia, then released back by Cyrus of Persia but they didn't leave until Darius sent them off at around 539. It's an interesting political strategy -- setup your own ruling elites in the conquered lands while exiling the conquered elites to live and rule under close watch in the home country. Lots of cultural mixing happened back in those lands. They brought some of that culture back with them. Ever wonder why there is no discussion of an afterlife in the Bible until the second half of Isaiah (a.k.a. Second Isaiah)? Everlasting life in the Hebrew/Canaanite tradition was via your genetic line & story (you have children for many generations and they all tell stories about you until the end of time). It wasn't until after mixing with the Zoroastrians that Jews started talking about ideas about some immortal soul or a magical land where you live after dying.

Jesus was a Jew. Pure and simple. And he was a good Jew. The Golden Rule was a positive restatement of what was already in the Rabbinical literature as negative (don't do to others what you wouldn't have them do to you). It's a good rule of thumb to live by & sticks in the memory. It was probably just good folk wisdom of the day, as it is today.

Jesus's father was a carpenter or, more likely, a stone mason by trade. He worked during a building frenzy by Herod. Think massive public works projects. Lots of work for stone masons in a land where stone is the main construction material. Herod had palaces everywhere. The Romans built cities all over the place (especially on the outskirts of the empire). But that ended during Jesus's more formative years. The result? Economic collapse, poverty, unemployment, desperate times. Now you wonder why Jesus was such a fan of the poor, the downtrodden, hookers and others struggling to make ends meet in the wake of all that public money going away. He saw first hand the suffering they endured. But, as is the case today, they are also the hotbeds of radicalization and are ripe to take their frustrations out on the ruling elites by revolt. Jesus, yet one more Messiah to try his hand at mobilizing a revolt against the Romans, got squashed with the rest of them. So ended his "ministry."

All that to say that recreating a story where he travels to India or Tibet with caravan traders in the desert is a pretty far stretch. Judaism wasn't even the same among the desert tribes. There, sometimes, Yahweh had a consort (wife) and altars were built to both of them. Even if he had traveled with desert caravans, it is more likely that he would pick up THEIR beliefs before those of the places he visited briefly before getting back on the road. Yet none of those beliefs of a male/female godhead made it into Jesus's teachings.

Jesus also grew up in Nazareth, which was not a big trading hub. It was a small, backwater town that is very conservative (even today) and away from the hub of economic and political life on the coast and in Jerusalem. That's not to say that he couldn't walk out of Nazareth & join the circus. But it certainly doesn't make it an easy connection, either.
Excellent outline of what it was like back then, esp harod.
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You seem pretty clear on the early Christians' philosophy as it relates to its Greek influences. But delving into what those influences are is critical to understanding what these folks were talking about. John's use of the term "Logos" comes from Plato originally but was heavily enhanced by the Gnostics. The Gnostics were a very broad philosophical movement in the Greco-Roman empire that influenced nearly all religious beliefs at the time. It was later branded a heresy in the Christian tradition but a few Gnostic gospels were written to retell the story as they saw it.

The Gnostic reinterpretation of Christianity had its own cosmology and the Logos was about third down the line in the various emanations of the divine. Generally speaking, Gnostics thought anything tangible was corrupt. So the idea of God in the flesh was about as abhorrent as it got for them. John adopted a lot of the Gnostic duality (light/dark, good/evil, God/Satan) but stated very clearly that, indeed, the Logos became flesh and lived among us. In other words, the Logos wasn't God, per se, but Jesus, the Son (or later emanation) of God. It sounds trivial to us but it mattered a lot back then. John is, by far, among the most Gnostic of the gospel writers but probably more dualist than Gnostic. Interestingly, his narrative of the apocryphal battle between Jesus and Satan is almost a perfect Christian retelling of an older story between Ba'al and Yam (the son of God vs the dragon from the deep in both stories).

All that to say that we shouldn't view the Gnostic cosmology as the way things ACTUALLY are. Rather, this was how they saw the world according to that philosophical tradition. That tradition influenced Chrstianity but there were plain ol' Gnostics, Gnostic Jews, Gnostic Christians, Gnostic Pagans, etc. Maybe that's the world according to John. But it isn't necessarily the world as it is or even the world as all the apostles would have seen it at the time.
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Its a fair assumption that there is a specific audience in mind with each Gospel. Compare Matthew to Luke and you see a primary audience of eastern heritage and western heritage, or jew and gentile. John most likely tailored his message with the western disposition in mind; relating what he believed to be the complete truth while making the claims to be relatable to a certain group of people.

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I'm not sure Jesus travelled to India. There is evidence the Buddhist message travelled as far as Palestine and Greece. Google "Greco Buddhism." A friend of mine is into Stoicism. There are a lot of similarities between what the Greek Stoics taught and Buddhism. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the case.
An author I like describes Stoics as Buddhists with attitude. Or, more to the point, "a Stoic is a Buddhist who says 'F*** You!' to fate."
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Here is interesting little tidbit...

Buddha taught:
"Consider others as yourself"

Jesus taught:
Treat others the same way you want them to treat you. Luk 6:31
You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Mark 12:31

Keep in mind that the Buddha lived about 250 years prior to Jesus. I think it is not that unusual for the Buddha to come up with his teaching. Both Jesus and Buddha could have certainly come up with the same teaching without being taught themselves.
I think you want your hypothesis to be true and grasp onto anything which aligns with it. Conversely you might tend to discount or completely ignore that which disagrees with your point of view.

What would Buddah have said about such an attitude?

Mind you, I do not identify as primarily a Christian. I follow different ways as long as they direct me to a higher plane.
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I think you want your hypothesis to be true and grasp onto anything which aligns with it. Conversely you might tend to discount or completely ignore that which disagrees with your point of view.

What would Buddah have said about such an attitude?

Mind you, I do not identify as primarily a Christian. I follow different ways as long as they direct me to a higher plane.

verse 273-276 of the Dhammapada, the Buddha was clear about following false paths and lesser teachings. the eightfold path is the way, following it will lead one out of samsara through ones own effort. Buddhas (and nobody else) can not give you salvation they can only show you the way.
following the many other false paths will keep one in the dark and trapped in samsara.
there are many different schools of Buddhism, we all follow the same eightfold path for a reason.

Verse 273: Of paths, the Path of Eight Constituents is the noblest; of truths, the Four Noble Truths are the noblest; of the dhammas, the absence of craving is the noblest; of the two-legged beings, the All-Seeing Buddha is the noblest.

Verse 274: This is the only Path, and there is none other for the purity of vision. Follow this Path; it will bewilder Mara.

Verse 275: Following this Path, you will make an end of dukkha. Having myself known the Path which can lead to the removal of the thorns of moral defilements, I have shown you the Path.

Verse 276: You yourselves should make the effort; the Tathagatas (Buddhas) only can show the way. Those who practise the Tranquillity and Insight Meditation are freed from the bond of Mara.
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No tollerance for other ways? Sounds like the same tripe to me.

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verse 273-276 of the Dhammapada, the Buddha was clear about following false paths and lesser teachings. the eightfold path is the way, following it will lead one out of samsara through ones own effort. Buddhas (and nobody else) can not give you salvation they can only show you the way.
following the many other false paths will keep one in the dark and trapped in samsara.
there are many different schools of Buddhism, we all follow the same eightfold path for a reason.

Verse 273: Of paths, the Path of Eight Constituents is the noblest; of truths, the Four Noble Truths are the noblest; of the dhammas, the absence of craving is the noblest; of the two-legged beings, the All-Seeing Buddha is the noblest.

Verse 274: This is the only Path, and there is none other for the purity of vision. Follow this Path; it will bewilder Mara.

Verse 275: Following this Path, you will make an end of dukkha. Having myself known the Path which can lead to the removal of the thorns of moral defilements, I have shown you the Path.

Verse 276: You yourselves should make the effort; the Tathagatas (Buddhas) only can show the way. Those who practise the Tranquillity and Insight Meditation are freed from the bond of Mara.
Excellent post.
The Buddha is a teacher as well as his desciples. Following the eight fold path will lead to nirvana...along with other teachings such as the Heart Sutra, Diamond Sutra and the Dahmapad to name a few. The sangha I practice with and pray with follow the Lotus Sutra which is the most important as the Buddha teaches that we all can become a Buddha.

Thank you for posting such an excellent post.

PS. Buddhists don't worship Buddha, they follow his teachings.
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No tollerance for other ways? Sounds like the same tripe to me.

The reed I follow: You are free to seek out and fulfill your purpose in life,
As long as in so doing ye harm none.
ahhhh, libertarian flavored western spiritualism.... i have plenty of "tolerance" for other religions. i am not out here burning churches and mosques down am i? tolerance is not the same as acceptance.

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Excellent post.
The Buddha is a teacher as well as his desciples. Following the eight fold path will lead to nirvana...along with other teachings such as the Heart Sutra, Diamond Sutra and the Dahmapad to name a few. The sangha I practice with and pray with follow the Lotus Sutra which is the most important as the Buddha teaches that we all can become a Buddha.

Thank you for posting such an excellent post.

PS. Buddhists don't worship Buddha, they follow his teachings.
yeah, when i first became interested in possibly converting to Buddhism i started reading different texts from the 3 traditions (Theravada Mahayana and Vajrayana). the Lotus Sutra was one of the Sutra's that convinced me that my thoughts on conversion were correct and i belong somewhere in the Mahayana. have you ever read the Vimalakirti Sutra?

" Noble sir, flowers like the blue lotus, the red lotus, the white lotus, the water lily, and the moon lily do not grow on the dry ground in the wilderness, but do grow in the swamps and mud banks.
Just so, the Buddha-qualities do not grow in living beings certainly destined for the uncreated but do grow in those living beings who are like swamps and mud banks of passions. Likewise, as seeds do not grow in the sky but do grow in the earth, so the Buddha-qualities do not grow in those determined for the Absolute but do grow in those who conceive the spirit of enlightenment, after having produced a Sumeru-like mountain of egoistic views."

no joke, that quote changed my entire life, that and the teachings in the Lotus sutra opened my eyes to the false path i was on and illuminated the way forward.
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ahhhh, libertarian flavored western spiritualism.... i have plenty of "tolerance" for other religions. i am not out here burning churches and mosques down am i? tolerance is not the same as acceptance.



yeah, when i first became interested in possibly converting to Buddhism i started reading different texts from the 3 traditions (Theravada Mahayana and Vajrayana). the Lotus Sutra was one of the Sutra's that convinced me that my thoughts on conversion were correct and i belong somewhere in the Mahayana. have you ever read the Vimalakirti Sutra?

" Noble sir, flowers like the blue lotus, the red lotus, the white lotus, the water lily, and the moon lily do not grow on the dry ground in the wilderness, but do grow in the swamps and mud banks.
Just so, the Buddha-qualities do not grow in living beings certainly destined for the uncreated but do grow in those living beings who are like swamps and mud banks of passions. Likewise, as seeds do not grow in the sky but do grow in the earth, so the Buddha-qualities do not grow in those determined for the Absolute but do grow in those who conceive the spirit of enlightenment, after having produced a Sumeru-like mountain of egoistic views."

no joke, that quote changed my entire life, that and the teachings in the Lotus sutra opened my eyes to the false path i was on and illuminated the way forward.
If mine is libertarian spiritualism, then what the heck is Budhism?
My point is dont claim that your belief is “The Enlightened Way”
There are many paths, just enjoy the ride and keep you arms and head inside the car.
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have you ever read the Vimalakirti Sutra?
No. But I have read the Heart Sutra, Diamond Sutra, Lotus Sutra and the Dhamapada.

Like you, the Lotus Sutra did it for me.

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If mine is libertarian spiritualism, then what the heck is Budhism?
My point is dont claim that your belief is “The Enlightened Way”
There are many paths, just enjoy the ride and keep you arms and head inside the car.
There are many paths even in Christianity, Islam and other faiths. The key points in Buddhism to get started is to know about the 4 Noble Truths and the 8 Fold Path. When having doubts about anything, remember the 8 Fold Path and you will have your suffering relieved. Suffering can be anything from road rage to sadness. All you have to do is get your head around it.
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