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Vintage Military Long Range Rifle matches
This will be a fun, low stress fun match. Meant to let milsurp shooters stretch the legs of their war horses and see what they are capable of and have FUN.
Here's the official notice I sent out today to those on my email group list. I have email addresses for some of you who are interested, but not all. If you think you might attend shoot me an email with Vintage Military Long Range Match in the subject and I will add you to the email group for this event. That will be used not only for further notices, but for sending out match results. Vintage Military Rifle Long Range Match Where: The 1000 yard range (range 12) at the Sacramento Valley Shooting Center When: Saturday Feb 26, Saturday June 25, Saturday August 27 2011 (a match will be canceled if it rains) Sign in: 7-7:30 am at Culbertson Cove (big steel shed below the 1000 yard firing line) Safety Brief at 7:30, shooting starts at 8 Cost: @$20 For more info contact Rob Thomas – robertthomas2@comcast.net or 530-644-3925 after 6 pm Course of Fire: 2 Sighter shots and 10 rounds for record in 12 minutes at 300, 500 and 600 yards. Unlimited Sighter shots and 10 rounds for record in 12 minutes at 800 yards. All shot from the prone position. We will shoot in 3 relays. Relay 1 will shoot while relay 2 scores for them and Relay 3 pulls targets, then rotate through the relays as we move from firing line to firing line. All competitors who shoot are expected to pull a target in the target pits and to score. Classes of firearms: -AS ISSUED: Any original AS ISSUED WWII or older design military rifle, bolt action or semi auto. (No match barrels, sights, triggers, bedding, etc) -OPEN CLASS: Any original WWII or older design military rifle RECEIVER, bolt action or semi auto, with ANY SIGHTS or ANY SCOPE. (Match barrels, sights, scopes, triggers, bedding, etc will be allowed, NO synthetic stocks allowed) Shooting Rests and Equipment: -Any SOFT front rest is allowed (back pack, sand bags, etc) -Shooting sticks are allowed -No bipods, No mechanical front rests, No hard/rigid front rests are allowed -No rear rests are allowed. Just hand support under the butt stock -Empty Chamber Indicators are required (available at the match if you don’t have one) -Spotting scopes are allowed (and recommended, you will need something to see with when scoring) -Shooting jackets, gloves and slings are allowed Ammunition: -Any military surplus ammo is allowed except for tracer, incendiary or armor piercing (steel jacketed ammo is ok) -Any hand loaded ammo is ok with the same exceptions as above. Awards: -Must be at least 3 shooters in a rifle type or class for an award to be paid. -Awards will be cash awards paid from the entry fees. -Award will be paid to the overall AS ISSUED winner. -Award will be paid to the overall OPEN CLASS winner. -Award will be paid to the 1st place winner for each type of rifle in the AS ISSUED class (ex: 1st 91/30, 1st M39, 1st K31, 1st Swedish Mauser, 1st 98 Mauser, 1st Garand) Those wishing to attend and shoot other, more modern rifle types (AR15, M1A etc) are welcome on a space available basis, but will not be eligible for awards.
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Rob, I will definitely try to make it out to one of these, hopefully the Feb one will have good weather. What class would a Finnish 28-76 shoot in? Mine is a WWII barrel
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If there are enough target rifles, I will split the Open class into scoped and target sight rifles.
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For those who think they might have trouble hitting the target, don't worry about it. Below are sizes of the scoring rings in inches. The 300 yard target is on a 48" square card board backer, and the 500/600/800 are on a 6 foot (72") square card board backer. Almost impossible to miss. You should have no problem being on paper with your first sighter shots, and then you'll be able to adjust your sights/scopes, or your "hold" to get closer to the X ring.
SR-3 300 yards Aiming Black (inches) X ring . . . . . . . . . 3.00 10 ring . . . . . . . . . 7.00 9 ring . . . . . . . . . 13.00 8 ring . . . . . . . . . 19.00 Rings in White (inches) 7 ring . . . . . . . . . 25.00 6 ring . . . . . . . . . 31.00 5 ring . . . . . . . . . 37.00 MR-65 500 yards X ring . . . . . . . . 5.00 10 ring . . . . . . . 10.00 9 ring . . . . . . . . 15.00 8 ring . . . . . . . . 20.00 7 ring . . . . . . . 25.00 6 ring . . . . . . . 30.00 Rings in White (inches) 5 ring . . . . . . . . . . 36.00 MR-1 600 yards Aiming Black (inches) X ring . . . . . . . . 6.00 10 ring . . . . . . . 12.00 9 ring . . . . . . . . 18.00 8 ring . . . . . . . . 24.00 7 ring . . . . . . . . 36.00 Rings in White (inches) 6 ring . . . . . . . . . . 48.00 5 ring . . . . . . . . . . 60.00 LR 800 yards Aiming Black (inches) X ring . . . . . . . 10.00 10 ring . . . . . . . 20.00 9 ring . . . . . . . . 30.00 8 ring . . . . . . . . 44.00 Rings in White (inches) 7 ring . . . . . . . . . . 60.00 6 area . . . 72x72 square
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You've never seen me shoot Sounds like a fun match!
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I would love to try!
But do I have to have match experience? I've never been in a match before and don't know how to sight for someone. Edit: If I have a period uniform to go with the rifle, can I wear it? I've been working on a project about Lyudmila Pavlichenko.
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When you do your turn in the target pits you'll be pulling the target and marking the shots with a spotting disk and hanging the scoring disk in the appropriate position. One of the members here put together the best video tutorial in 3 parts, of how to pull and mark targets I've ever seen and posted it on the forum. Anyone who wants to shoot a High Power format type match (which ours will be) should take the time to watch them. They can be seen at this link: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=270926 Quote:
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LOL, whatever sandbagger.
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Sign me up. I'll need guidance though, but I'm a fast learner. Woohoo!
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Only the stuff specified is no go. We shoot on paper targets and theimpact area is dirt. Quote:
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This looks like a good father son event....! I'll be there with my 18 year old and we'll give it a shot...! I think it will be a good lesson for him. He's a pretty good shot out to 400 meters when we do the silhouette out there so this will test him a bit. How long does the match last approximately....? Regards
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We should be all done by 1:30-2:30
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Vintage Military Rifle Match - Practice Session Range Report!!
I went out to Sac Valley range on Saturday to get in a little practice for the upcoming vintage military rifle match on the 26th. I've only been out there once before, and I only shot at the regular range by the parking lot, so this was a whole new experience for me. The farthest I have ever shot is 200 yards with both my Garand and my Finnish Mosins, so I was excited to try shooting a little farther
So I met up with the guys from the Nor Cal Practical Precision Rifle Club and Rob (Pthfnder) helped me get started. I chose to shoot in the first session and pull targets on the second round, which ended up being a good choice since the wind kicked up pretty good in the afternoon. Everyone else on the line was shooting modern rifles except I did see one M1D Garand and also another scoped Milsurp which I think was Swedish but I'm not sure. The NCPPRC was shooting 200yds, 300, 425, 500, 600, 800, 900 and & 1,000. I shot with them up until I had problems keeping it on the paper at 800 and I realize now I should have stopped at 600 since it was my first time and I wasn't really prepared to calculate the amount of bullet drop and how much I needed to move the sights up. I also had a problem with my sight adjustment screw loosening up so I lost all reference for where I had them set at the last shooting position, so it was best for me to sit out the final positions. I also shot all the positions prone with a sling, not realizing I could have brought a sand bag or something to hold the rifle better... I will definitely have something better for support next time!! Here is a photo from the 900 yard position. This is before the rest of the guys got setup, everyone was just pulling their vehicles up to park. I am posting this as a regular sized photo first: OK, so the targets are not up at this point but you should still be able to see the markers. Here is a link to the full sized photo so you can see how unbelievably small the target would be from this distance: So now here is a photo of my target, pasted up on the door to my office. I started out by circling the 200 yd shots, then drawing an X on the 300 yd. I then realized it would work better just to number them, so I put the rest with the first digit of the distance. I'm pretty happy with the 200, 300 and especially the 500. After that, it was pretty much a battle just to get on paper And here is a close up: In closing I would definitely encourage anyone who is considering going to the match on the 26th to get out there and give it a try. It is a blast to shoot this far and it was worth the long drive. |
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Looks like I'm going to the range this weekend! If anyone wants to meet up at the Oroville clay pits, I will be the guy trying to hit 2 liter bottles with a Mosin.
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Brian, I think the shooter with M41b was cmaher55's son. Was good to meet both of you.
You did very well considering you were shooting on our B27 like silhouette target instead of the full size bulls eye target. That thing gets really hard to see the further out you get. I wish it had clicked with me that you were shooting iron sights before we got to the firing line. I would have got the key for the HP connex and put up the bulls eye target for you. The young man with the M41b was able to stay on paper all the way out to 1000 yards and got lots of good hits. Shows what one can do with a 4x scope and good rifle/cartridge like the Swede. For those looking at Brian's target, the orange dot is 3", the "torso" is only 22" wide.
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Thanks for the post. Weather wise, too bad it wasn't this past weekend. Do you have to qualify? I've shot a CMP Garand match at 200yds, but I'd love to try out my Springfield 03 at that distance.
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Thanks for the update and pics...! That was not me nor my son out there that day as much as I'd like to take credit for a well trained and accurate junior shooter....! We should be there on 26th though...! Regards
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LOL! Then there are two of you Dad's with 18 year old sons into C&R rifles who shoot on the silhouettes at Sac Valley.
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No qualification needed. Just bring some ammo out and have fun. I expect quite a few Garand shooters.
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Jeff, I also brought my 1903 Springfield out there since I wasn't sure which one I would shoot. I ended up using the Garand because of the longer sight radius but I wish I would have used the 03 now I was shooting 150 gr Hornady FMJ in the Garand but I had some 168 and 180gr 30-06 loads for the 1903 that might have done better at the longer distances.
I'm seriously considering shooting one of my Finnish 28-30s in the match since I have so many rounds loaded for those and I shoot them a lot more than any of my other rifles. |
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This Saturday, are we still on rain or shine....? I don't mind shooting in the rain, wind, or cold, at least for a little while....! I bet a thermos of hot coffee will help. Regards
Yahoo weather for Saturday the 26th of Feb. Showers High 46°F, Precip 40% Chance Wind: From E at 10 mph Humidity: 70% UV Index: 4 Moderate Sunrise: 6:41 AM PT Avg. High: 63°F Record High: 75°F (1986) |
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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That sounds awesome! I would be in for making the trip for that; I'm sooo tired of the Laguna Seca Range with it's 200 yard burm. I want to shoot my K98 and M1 as they were meant to be shot. Can you use more then one rifle? And no experience with matches required right?
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Too far out for me without the necessary planning. Maybe next time.
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swiss k-31
does anyone have a swiss k-31 rifle.. i am in the norwalk area in LA county..good cond please. turners has one for 299 but maybe felloe citizens have em cheaper. thank you
i also have a c&r so i dont know if that info will help. |
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kp, you're posting in the wrong section. Anyways, check out Samco:
https://www.samcoglobal.com/rifles-2010.html Send them your C&R and you'll be good. Enjoy!
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Mounted my scope today! Just need to get my bent bolt before next weekend and I should be able to make it!
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Since it looks like we're going to get some rain before the weekend, we won't be able to drive to the 500 yard line. I won't make people carry all their gear from 600 to 500.
Frank (6mmintl) had a good idea to shoot from 200/300/600/800, and we can do that no problem. Looks like we might get lucky and the worst of the rain will be over, or almost over by Saturday morning.
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I'm very interested in this. I have one question: are recoil pads ok for stock division? Like the one on this page: http://www.tickbitesupply.com/mosstk.html
3rd item down. |
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I saw this a month ago and forgot about. This is very doable for me to make.
So will we just be losing the 500 from the rain?
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