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Old 06-06-2018, 8:34 AM
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UPDATE:

Can't wait to complete the build and start trying out some distances... Woot!

Anything else that I will require? Spotting scope, etc?

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A rear bag, a shooting mat, a chronograph, a notebook/logbook.

All those are things I find way more useful/needed before I would spend money on a spotting scope. Spotting scopes are good for spotting shots for your buddies, not for finding your own. On the right target, you should be able to see bullet holes on paper out to 300 yards with that scope. Steel, as long as its freshly painted, you can see hits for a long way.
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The Bushnell DMR II 3.5-21 x 50mm looks pretty spiffy too, for about $1,400.
http://bushnell.com/all-products/rif...2-3-5-21x-50mm

Do you already have a bipod? My favorite is a Harris S-BRM upgraded with Pod-Loc lever and an American Defense QD Swivel Bipod Mount.
Harris Swivel Bipod Mount / Item No: AD-BPP2 (3105)
You bolt a small picatinny rail section to the bottom of your stock forend, then the bipod just clips on and off the rail.
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[*]I have taken the plunge and placed an order for the Vortex Viper PST Gen 2 in MILS: https://www.opticsplanet.com/vortex-...ope-black.html



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My buddy's pretty happy with that scope.

A shooting mat is probably the next most important item. I've been using Midways Competition mat for a few years and it's holding up fine. Right now they have the Pro Series Competition one on sale. The Pro is a little bigger and has a web in front to hold the bipod legs. Either choice is good and economical.

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A rear bag, a shooting mat, a chronograph, a notebook/logbook.

All those are things I find way more useful/needed before I would spend money on a spotting scope. Spotting scopes are good for spotting shots for your buddies, not for finding your own. On the right target, you should be able to see bullet holes on paper out to 300 yards with that scope. Steel, as long as its freshly painted, you can see hits for a long way.
That makes sense! Noted!

I already have a shooting mat as it was a requirement for some tactical classes with either a pistol and/or an AR15.

For a notebook, already got this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CDXNN9C/

Yes, I definitely think that I will need a rear bag. However, I'm still unable to find the right kind of bag. I have asked around for some recommendations from classmates in that basic sniper/precision class I took. The good ones run at least a couple hundred $$.

Some recommend even getting 30L packs... But I ask myself, what long-range shooting stuff can I fill a 30L pack with?

For chronographs - would they only be useful if I am reloading/customizing my ammunition? Is this something that is an immediate need?



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The Bushnell....
Thanks for the recommendations! However, as mentioned in a prior post, I have already purchased the scope (Vortex), bipod (Versapod) and a base/rings (TPS).



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A shooting mat is probably the next most important item. I've been using Midways Competition mat for a few years and it's holding up fine. Right now they have the Pro Series Competition one on sale. The Pro is a little bigger and has a web in front to hold the bipod legs. Either choice is good and economical.
Are shooting mats really that different? Mine is quite straightforward:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DFK1BKY/


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That makes sense! Noted!

I already have a shooting mat as it was a requirement for some tactical classes with either a pistol and/or an AR15.

For a notebook, already got this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CDXNN9C/

Yes, I definitely think that I will need a rear bag. However, I'm still unable to find the right kind of bag. I have asked around for some recommendations from classmates in that basic sniper/precision class I took. The good ones run at least a couple hundred $$.

Some recommend even getting 30L packs... But I ask myself, what long-range shooting stuff can I fill a 30L pack with?


For chronographs - would they only be useful if I am reloading/customizing my ammunition? Is this something that is an immediate need?

Thanks for the recommendations! However, as mentioned in a prior post, I have already purchased the scope (Vortex), bipod (Versapod) and a base/rings (TPS).

Are shooting mats really that different? Mine is quite straightforward:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DFK1BKY/

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What "sniper" class did you take that made you think you needed to spend a couple hundred on a rear bag? I think you need to double check your notes.

Many field guys have used a sock with rice -used as food in a pinch; but most use something like a Tag gear, SAP etc.. tons of great commercial choices none nowhere near what you said.

Impact Data books a cute - nice.. but all you need is a pencil and synthetic note pad.

Pad - ya ok, but you'd might be surprised at how many just lay on the ground, including most field events almost nobody carries them on field trips. Your mat is fine. Black and or rubber are really the only ones to worry about in summer.

I'd agree with NorCalFocus about the spotter, more and more you'll see guys in the type of shooting your doing spotting for their partner on the gun. I good scope will way out perform a cheap spotter.. ya, a spotter 60 is cool, but can you afford one anyway? If your glassing- that might be a different discussion.

Get a small pack - you do not need the kitchen sink..If you get a big pack, you'll fill it will unneeded stuff. Travel heavy, is slow and short. Many guys new try to get to the "operator" looking bags only to find later it was a huge misstep.

I'd think simple, simple is smooth and smooth fast... and easy..

Just for reference, if you took a sniper course I am sure you would have been learning field craft, not basic shooting. There is a big difference between learning field craft and tactical precision shooting. You might find more information on practical precision over at the Hide. http://forum.snipershide.com/ but probably a bit better to just drop the sniper thing..

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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DFK1BKY/
That's fine. Just didn't know if you had a mat. Seems most people are shooting off a bench these days.

As diver160651 mentions, black and/or rubber get hot and uncomfortable. If you are doing shoot and move practice, no mat needed. His suggestion of a sock with rice/beans is a good start till you figure otherwise.

At this point, you have all the basic necessities.

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I like the Rifles Only FTW rear bag.


https://www.riflesonly.com/rear-bag

The Wiebad Berry Bag and Tab Gear Rear Bag are good too, but I like the shape of the Rifles Only one the best. There is a long side, short side and thin side, so you can usually find a good usable height in most situations.

There is also a tapered wedge shaped bag, I forget who makes it, that one is handy too.

If you are going to shoot PRS type stuff where you are getting off shots from weird semi-supported positions, get a Wiebad Pump Pillow and a Barricade Bag too.
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I like the Rifles Only FTW rear bag.


https://www.riflesonly.com/rear-bag
That and the "wedge" bag are pretty good bags for prone shooting.
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I already have a shooting mat as it was a requirement for some tactical classes with either a pistol and/or an AR15.

Are shooting mats really that different? Mine is quite straightforward:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01DFK1BKY/
If you have one, I wouldn't run out and spend money on another until you know what your needs are.

I have two mats now. I started with the Midway basic and for $30 its been fine. Light and small enough to pack around, but to narrow for my elbows. I picked up a Cabelas mat and its fantastic. the wings and thicker padding make it very nice for laying in the dirt for long periods of time. But its to large to pack around. What you have will work, until you figure out what it doesn't do for you.

The need for a mat, really can depend on your shooting needs that day. If I was doing a PRS match, I wouldn't mess with a mat. But for matches or classes where I'm laying on concrete for a few hours, its a very nice comfort. Me personally, I shoot in the desert in dusty nasty grass and rocks. I want a mat to lay on.

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For a notebook, already got this: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CDXNN9C/
Thats fine. I made mine. Printed out free downloadable pages on manila colored paper and bought a 1/2 size binder. The only page I didn't see that I find the most valuble is a round count page. Works just check book register.

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I make my own bags. I buy fabric and sew them up, and fill them with poly doll fill. Cost me like $20 to make a bag. If you want one made, shoot me a PM.

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I'm using a 5.11 Rush 24 bag. For strickly using it as a long range gear pack, its a little big. I could get away with a Rush 12 for that use. I do use my bag as a day pack though on spotting/hunting trips so the extra room is nice for lunch and somewhere to put jackets and stuff.

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Its not a "need" but it will make your life much easier. I figured out my speeds for my drops the old fashioned way of just shooting and plugging in close numbers into my calculator and adjusting till I got the right drops. It worked, but I also spent more time doing that vs hitting my targets.

With a chrono, you get your muzzle velocity right away with a few shots each and every time you need them. Show up to a match or range to shoot, shoot 5-10 rounds and get your speed. Plug that into your calculator and and as long as your other info is correct, you'll have drops for what ever distance you shoot that day.

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How to use your scope..

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...d.php?t=263710

Idk if you need this, but it's pretty useful information ...
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Hi Guys -

Apologies for resurrecting this ol' thread - but just to let you know that the build is complete.





Whoa!?! This thing is heavy...


Anyways, for starters, recommendations for a hard case, preferably molded (or can be molded) the rifle's shape?


That said, am now planning my breaking in -
  1. Shoot 1-round. Let cool. Then clean (boresnake sufficient?). Repeat 5-times
  2. Shoot 2-rounds. Let cool, then clean. Repeat 5-times.
  3. Repeat until I get to 5-rounds.
  4. Recommend using match ammo? Federal Premium Sierra Match King BTHP 168GR?


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Whoa!?! This thing is heavy...

Anyways, for starters, recommendations for a hard case, preferably molded (or can be molded) the rifle's shape?

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The rings look tall for that setup. Are you using a 20MOA base? For hard cases, the gold standard is Pelican. Currently run the Pelican 1750 for my Tikka.
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Hi Guys -

Apologies for resurrecting this ol' thread - but just to let you know that the build is complete.





Whoa!?! This thing is heavy...


Anyways, for starters, recommendations for a hard case, preferably molded (or can be molded) the rifle's shape?


That said, am now planning my breaking in -
  1. Shoot 1-round. Let cool. Then clean (boresnake sufficient?). Repeat 5-times
  2. Shoot 2-rounds. Let cool, then clean. Repeat 5-times.
  3. Repeat until I get to 5-rounds.
  4. Recommend using match ammo? Federal Premium Sierra Match King BTHP 168GR?


Thanks!!!


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Just food for thought. Bipods are usually the most stable in the forward locations


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Hi Guys -

Apologies for resurrecting this ol' thread - but just to let you know that the build is complete.





Whoa!?! This thing is heavy...


Anyways, for starters, recommendations for a hard case, preferably molded (or can be molded) the rifle's shape?


That said, am now planning my breaking in -
  1. Shoot 1-round. Let cool. Then clean (boresnake sufficient?). Repeat 5-times
  2. Shoot 2-rounds. Let cool, then clean. Repeat 5-times.
  3. Repeat until I get to 5-rounds.
  4. Recommend using match ammo? Federal Premium Sierra Match King BTHP 168GR?


Thanks!!!


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Your hand stop is on backwards.
The spud should point forward.
That puts the bipod further forward.
Use the front stud to hold the hand stop.
The rear stud is for the sling.
Your scope looks to be about an inch too far back unless you happen to be shorter than 5ft.
If that's the case, you need to shorten the stock to correct your length of pull before you mount the scope.
After you find the proper front-back position for your scope, spread the rings out as far as possible on the scope and base.
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Your hand stop is on backwards.
The spud should point forward.
That puts the bipod further forward.
Use the front stud to hold the hand stop.
The rear stud is for the sling.
Your scope looks to be about an inch too far back unless you happen to be shorter than 5ft.
If that's the case, you need to shorten the stock to correct your length of pull before you mount the scope.
After you find the proper front-back position for your scope, spread the rings out as far as possible on the scope and base.
Seriously???

I really don't know much, hence, had it setup by a local 'smith (had good reviews in Yelp).

I believe everything can be re-done, right?

Also, if the scope is too far back, does this increase the chance of a scope bite? I'm 6-ft tall, but of Asian built.


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Your hand stop is on backwards.
The spud should point forward.
That puts the bipod further forward.
Use the front stud to hold the hand stop.
The rear stud is for the sling.
Your scope looks to be about an inch too far back unless you happen to be shorter than 5ft.
If that's the case, you need to shorten the stock to correct your length of pull before you mount the scope.
After you find the proper front-back position for your scope, spread the rings out as far as possible on the scope and base.
OP, you should be able to make the adjustments yourself. Remove the scope and adjust for eye relief. The bipod can easily be removed and installed to the front stud.
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OP, you should be able to make the adjustments yourself. Remove the scope and adjust for eye relief. The bipod can easily be removed and installed to the front stud.
Could be...

But as a newbie, I'd rather not do anything I am not familiar with. With the slight anxiety that things are indeed not correct (I dry practiced last night, and I can't get any eye relief at 5x from prone; from a bench, seated - yes) - I'd say that YouTube University is not the answer right now.

Much less, I don't have the necessary tools, anyhow. Particularly for a scope adjustment.

I'm exploring my options.


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Could be...

But as a newbie, I'd rather not do anything I am not familiar with. With the slight anxiety that things are indeed not correct (I dry practiced last night, and I can't get any eye relief at 5x from prone; from a bench, seated - yes) - I'd say that YouTube University is not the answer right now.

Much less, I don't have the necessary tools, anyhow. Particularly for a scope adjustment.

I'm exploring my options.

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Since you said a smith pieced everything together, I'm hoping that crosshairs are parallel. So without disrupting it and still be able to find more eye relief, I suggest unscrewing the cross bolts (in red) and move the whole assembly forward a few notches. If more adjustment is needed then you would have to remove the top cap screws (in blue) and slide the scope forward. Last I checked, TPS hardware would need sockets for the cross bolt and torx bit for the cap screws.
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Find the screws or nuts on the scope rings. You just need the tools for those fasteners.

Then find a tutorial somewhere that shows how to mount a scope before you put it back on.
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OP, Im with you on taking it somewhere to have someone show you how and why you set it up.

If you in the LA area AR15barrels (Randall) is a great smith. He would be whod Id contact. Other wise Id see if you can find another local member from here that can walk you through it.
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OP, Im with you on taking it somewhere to have someone show you how and why you set it up.

If you in the LA area AR15barrels (Randall) is a great smith. He would be whod Id contact. Other wise Id see if you can find another local member from here that can walk you through it.

^ this. Not because you need a smith but because you need someone that you know, they know, what they are doing.

Personally, Id see if you can pay Randall for his time as he is a known practical precision shooter, not because you need his smithing talent.

From one glance at your system on my iPhone it was obviously set up really funky. How can a guy in the business set it up like that? Well the sad truth is there are way, way more shooters that dont understand practical precision shooting than do, so getting solid advice and help might take a bit of vetting.

The way the thread started about your sniper class. I assume your interested in practical precision shooting. If so, you need know up front, there is no way someone can put a scope on for you without you being there and part of the process. It should work on max power in all positions. If compromise is needed maybe default to the way youll shoot the most. But only you can make those determinations.


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... I can't get any eye relief at 5x from prone; from a bench, seated - yes)...
See there you are already learning. Set the scope where it works from the prone position. That will push the scope forward, the other positions will be a slight compromise but still work fine.
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^ this. Not because you need a “smith” but because you need someone that you know, they know, what they are doing.

Personally, I’d see if you can pay Randall for his time as he is a known practical precision shooter, not because you need his smithing talent.

From one glance at your system on my iPhone it was obviously set up really funky. How can a guy in the business set it up like that? We’ll the sad truth is there are way, way more shooters that don’t understand practical precision shooting than do, so getting solid advice and help might take a bit of vetting.

The way the thread started about your sniper class. I assume your interested in practical precision shooting. If so, you need know up front, there is no way someone can put a scope on for you without you being there and part of the process. It should work on max power in all positions. If compromise is needed maybe default to the way you’ll shoot the most. But only you can make those determinations.
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OP, I’m with you on taking it somewhere to have someone show you how and why you set it up.

If you in the LA area AR15barrels (Randall) is a great smith. He would be who’d I’d contact. Other wise I’d see if you can find another local member from here that can walk you through it.

Hi Guys -

That is essentially the primary reason I don't want doing any tinkering at this point. I am a beginner, and just like I have done with handguns, I would believe it is prudent to proceed with best practice, instead of "trial and error," or YouTube University, or "hearsays" from supposed experts. Even for something seemingly simple as mounting/re-mounting a scope.

Once I get a better understanding - then, I can go to all those DIYs, get my own toolkit, etc. Just like my handgun learning...

Such, I actually already sent a PM to AR15barrels last night (or was it early this morning? hhhmmm... been a hot day!!!). Just waiting for his response.

Thank you!!!

PS: It's really difficult to find the good people. Yep, Yelp reviews can be deceiving...


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Could be...

But as a newbie, I'd rather not do anything I am not familiar with. With the slight anxiety that things are indeed not correct (I dry practiced last night, and I can't get any eye relief at 5x from prone; from a bench, seated - yes) - I'd say that YouTube University is not the answer right now.

Much less, I don't have the necessary tools, anyhow. Particularly for a scope adjustment.

I'm exploring my options.


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In the immediate term, as others have said, maybe see if someone you know is reputable can help you get your rifle set up for your for a minimal fee for their time. IMO, what you'd really be paying for is the knowledge and understanding of the "how" and "why" of the process. In the not so immediate term, what I think would benefit you greatly is to see if you can find a shooting mentor that will show you the ropes and give you an introduction into the sport. You'd be surprised how much other shooters (Especially in the PRS world) are willing to teach you if you show an interest and put forth the effort to learn.
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Seriously???

I really don't know much, hence, had it setup by a local 'smith (had good reviews in Yelp).

I believe everything can be re-done, right?
Did this person have you behind the rifle/scope while he determined where to mount the scope?
If not, then there's NO WAY it's adjusted correctly for you.
It can certainly be re-done correctly.

Good yelp reviews only mean he has good yelp reviews.
Good yelp reviews don't mean anything about the competency of the business.
Most yelp reviewers are not even qualified to determine the quality of the service they received.
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Will this bag be big enough, be enough for shooting long-range? Would I get enough elevation, etc?



For one, it's quite cheap compared to the others that have been suggested, ie., $200+


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In the immediate term, as others have said, maybe see if someone you know is reputable can help you get your rifle set up for your for a minimal fee for their time. IMO, what you'd really be paying for is the knowledge and understanding of the "how" and "why" of the process.
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Did this person have you behind the rifle/scope while he determined where to mount the scope?
If not, then there's NO WAY it's adjusted correctly for you.
It can certainly be re-done correctly.
No, he did not mount the scope with me...

I see... Basically, the scope adjustment needs to be personalized to the shooter. A one-size doesn't fit all?


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Good yelp reviews only mean he has good yelp reviews.
Good yelp reviews don't mean anything about the competency of the business.
Most yelp reviewers are not even qualified to determine the quality of the service they received.
True that!!! I will not disagree with you on this...

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I'm not sure what your asking about the backpack? Not sure how a backpack is going to give you elevation.
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For one, it's quite cheap compared to the others that have been suggested, ie., $200+
Does this backpack have an internal frame or backbone? I find that bags with some sort of structural reinforcement inside works better for those PRS stages where you're permitted to rest your rifle on a backpack.

Otherwise, it will squish down as you settle in, so you'd have to squish down too.

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No, he did not mount the scope with me...

I see... Basically, the scope adjustment needs to be personalized to the shooter. A one-size doesn't fit all?
Your scope has an eye relief specification, it's usually about 4 inches behind the eyepiece. When your eye is at this sweet spot in relation to the scope's eyepiece, the scope image will be at its fullest with minimum edge shadows. Having your eye in the sweet spot might reduce reticle parallax too, but I'm not certain about that.

You can adjust your head position on the stock until your eye is in the scope's sweet spot, but the smarter thing to do is adjust the scope location along the rail, and the cheekpiece height/position on the stock, so that your eye naturally lines up to the scope's eye relief sweet spot when you shoulder the rifle.

Depending on your rifle stock's length of pull, whether your neck is long or short, face is skinny or fat, and other biometrics, the ideal scope mounting position and cheekpiece height/location are going to vary from shooter to shooter.
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I'm not sure what your asking about the backpack? Not sure how a backpack is going to give you elevation.
Ever lay on a downhill slope and try to shoot across a canyon?
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Will this bag be big enough, be enough for shooting long-range? Would I get enough elevation, etc?

The 3 day pack is too big.
If you fill it up enough to be useful as a shooting pack, you won't want to carry it.
It's a good pack for your clothes and gear when you travel, but not so good for shooting.

Look for something like a Maxpedition Falcon 2.
It's got excellent organization and it has straps that let you cinch it down solid if you don't have it full.
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Ever lay on a downhill slope and try to shoot across a canyon?


All the time. I thought that was his question, but I must of missed where it came from.

I have a Rush24 bag thats prefect for day trips. But for shooting on a hillside, Im going to use my tripod.

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There is no way for us to know if a certain pack will give you "enough elevation" without knowing what your COF, props and the terrain you are shooting are going to present to you. One stage it might be perfect, the next it might not. I would agree with AR15Barrels to a certain extent that you don't want to get such a huge pack that you never want to carry it, however, you are also going to need to learn what you need and what you don't then pick a pack accordingly. If that means a bigger pack or adding a few molle pouches, so be it. If you are shooting field matches, your needs may be different than someone shooting PRS on a square range. Considering how infrequently I need to use my pack for elevation in a match, I wouldn't sweat it too much at first. Get one that holds what you need it to hold and if you need to beef it up for a stage, stuff it full with a pump pillow or game changer, etc. Most of the time if I am using my pack as a support, it's not for elevation, but your needs may be different.
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Will this bag be big enough, be enough for shooting long-range? Would I get enough elevation, etc?

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One of the Police & Fire Games 600yd events from a few years ago I used the kid's old school backpack. You have different heights to the bag depending on how you place it. You don't need fancy or high-dollar...

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UPDATE: Upon recommendation, I got myself a Voodoo Tactical drag bag (the Midway should've been cheaper, but there was no ETA on the backorder). Should be arriving by Friday this week. That said, so, this is what it's called - I assumed it was just a "rifle bag," and when I Googled, couldn't really find anything for a precision rifle. Yup - the instructor from whom I rented when I took the introductory class was NOT using a hard case.



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One of the Police & Fire Games 600yd events from a few years ago I used the kid's old school backpack. You have different heights to the bag depending on how you place it. You don't need fancy or high-dollar...
*nod* Yeah, if I can avoid those "fancy"/"high-dollar" ones, it would be good... A few in that class had the best gear - brand-new Tikka/Sako, with Leupold scopes, and $200+ bags.

Hence, was asking if the LAPG 3-day bag at just $30 was good enough...

That said, I think I can get a Maxpedition Falcon 2 from Amazon at just $100.

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I think I can get a Maxpedition Falcon 2 from Amazon at just $100.
$50 on ebay for ones that don't even look like they were ever used...
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I feel for you, precision rifle can be overwhelming at first. If you can scrape up the cash (a year of Frappachinos) a solid precision rifle class is the way to go, and cheaper than wasting ammunition on your own. Here are a few starting with two in California:

Max Ordinate is run by a former Scout Sniper.

ITTS's Sniper 1 is only two days if that's all you have -- it mixes in some LE/Mil topics that are not purely about precision rifle marksmanship.

AMTAC courses are all outstanding and taught by a retired DevGru operator, you have to dig into the site to find the Precision Rifle course. I linked to his article on recommended guns and gear.

The Magpul page includes a list of nice-to-have and must-have gear, can't speak to their current program but it was excellent a few years ago.

Core does a great job and the facility is top-notch.

Caylen Wojcik used to do a class or two each year at Pala - he's at Gunwerks now but may still do the Pala class....worth tracking down.

Rifles Only is excellent, windy, and has a great moving target set up. Last but not least you can find lots of help at CAPRC.

www.maxordinate.com
http://internationaltactical.com/sniper_1.html
https://www.amtacshooting.com/precision-rifle-options/
https://www.magpulcore.com/courses/p...cision-rifle-1
https://www.coreshooting.com/collect...recision-rifle
http://americanshootingjournal.com/a...caylen-wojcik/
https://www.riflesonly.com/classes
http://www.caprc.com/site/Welcome.html

Far from a complete list but those are the ones I have experience with.
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