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Old 11-18-2018, 5:17 PM
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Gavin better convince Trump to build the wall along the CA border to Nevada.

I can cross into Nevada with my Jeep anytime I want. No inspectors, just lizards. With AZ all you need is a raft. There is far too much traffic entering the state to ever stop everyone and search them, warrants included.

Here in Carlsbad we now have license plate readers connected to a computer database that ID's wanted vehicles. It is effective because we paid for it here. California doesn't have the $ for that nor the enforcement manpower to follow up. They can't even clear the brush nor incarcerate criminal illegal aliens, there is no prison space for us and simple gun violations.

All they have left to contain us is fear. Seems that's working better than expected here.
As can I, but I must respectfully disagree with it not potentially happening. Of course they can't seal it in the literal sense, but heaven help you if you are sitting there at the Ag checkpoint when the dog alerts on your ammo or rifle in the trunk.

No prison space? You are correct, but they do not have to jail all of us. They only have to make examples of a few of us. Yup. You'll tow the line like everyone else, and since I want to keep my clearance, so will I. There will come a time I will fight for real. Bullets and all, but until then, it's always a balance.

Just like certain equipment on a car can mandate it be impounded (like stacks...they are not street legal and some areas mandate impound as that is an indicator of a racing car), they could cite you, impound the equipment, and send you on the way. Only in this case, you're not getting the toys back. Once they overcome the takings clause, that is. Oh...wait...they're already violating several federal laws. It's not fear that says they are sending folks to NV/AZ to look for CA plates, it's known.

They also have other, economical, methods to turn us into victims of our rights. They already curtailed the ammo acquisition for most people because going to Vegas or some place negates the savings, and soon they will track how much you buy, so either buy it by the 1000 count and get red flagged or buy it by the box and get nickel/dimed to death by the transfer fees.

They may not send armed people to the NV/CA border, and won't likely build a wall. That'll cause a war. Trade, political or physical...doesn't matter. All they do is cook us very slowly, very methodically. Just like the lobster in the pot. Slow cook 'em, and he doesn't even know he's dying. Drop him into a boiling pot of water and he'll react.
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There is no such thing as an assault weapon.
If he stays true to this I do not think confiscations will happen in OC, at least not with the cooperation of the OCSD.
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The new station at stateline is called a "super-coop" by us truckers...AG functions are also performed there...as well as having a radiation detection device, x-ray equipment and other intrusive techs. Real simple to route all traffic thru the station and have explosive sniffing doggers alert the officers....
Do they have a radiation detection device there, Xray, etc? I see a large box like structure on the side of the Inspection station. Maybe it is scanning cars as they go by. I was looking for scanners but they are not apparent. At least what I am use to seeing. I don't trust that inspection station. It does not even say it is an Ag station.
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but heaven help you if you are sitting there at the Ag checkpoint when the dog alerts on your ammo or rifle in the trunk.
Peole will just start packing cases of ammo and their guns in a box filled with coffee beans to hide the sent
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You still can refuse a warrantless inspection. They will make you turn around and go back to Nevada. And have your refusal on their data base for next time. Truckee claims they seize thousands of illegal fireworks.. a misdemeanor in CA. But never any mention of gun seizures..

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Peole will just start packing cases of ammo and their guns in a box filled with coffee beans to hide the sent
They are very aware of that trick.
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Peole will just start packing cases of ammo and their guns in a box filled with coffee beans to hide the sent
CA gun owners really have only two choices: comply with whatever laws are passed and enforced and have your firearms access steadily reduced and constrained, or leave for better climes. You have to decide what is a bigger part of your life. I imagine most younger folks will comply and many older types will leave.

California will say good riddance to the older mostly white emigres whose departure will allow their Prop 13 houses to be reappraised and will take their increasing health issues with them to another state.
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CA gun owners really have only two choices: comply with whatever laws are passed and enforced and have your firearms access steadily reduced and constrained, or leave for better climes. You have to decide what is a bigger part of your life. I imagine most younger folks will comply and many older types will leave.

California will say good riddance to the older mostly white emigres whose departure will allow their Prop 13 houses to be reappraised and will take their increasing health issues with them to another state.
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CA gun owners really have only two choices: comply with whatever laws are passed and enforced and have your firearms access steadily reduced and constrained, or leave for better climes. You have to decide what is a bigger part of your life. I imagine most younger folks will comply and many older types will leave.

California will say good riddance to the older mostly white emigres whose departure will allow their Prop 13 houses to be reappraised and will take their increasing health issues with them to another state.
The split role for Prop 13 is on the ballot for 2020. When they succeed for that they will do the same for homes.

Anyone who thinks differently should look how Prop 6 was defeated. The people here are idiots and only an uneducated idiot will let the state raise taxes any time it wants. Well we have those idiots.

Prop 13 will fall within a few years of the split role being approved.
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You still can refuse a warrantless inspection. They will make you turn around and go back to Nevada. And have your refusal on their data base for next time. Truckee claims they seize thousands of illegal fireworks.. a misdemeanor in CA. But never any mention of gun seizures..
I guess you could also deny you purchased the ammo out of state. Say you were traveling with it and stick to your story. Its illegal to import only if "purchased" out of state right?
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Old 11-19-2018, 6:36 PM
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I guess you could also deny you purchased the ammo out of state. Say you were traveling with it and stick to your story. Its illegal to import only if "purchased" out of state right?
I think you can bring in 50 rounds max. Check CA law.
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I guess you could also deny you purchased the ammo out of state. Say you were traveling with it and stick to your story. Its illegal to import only if "purchased" out of state right?
Just remember guys this state can't keep an illegal rodent out this state. They can't keep ferrets out of here. People have them.


No one at the AG checkpoints are going to be checking people's cars for ammo they bought on a trip.

I can also see this state royally F****** this up like the BBAW registration and it has to be extended. The best part is Newsom will have to sign the law to allow the extension as Brown did. California is anything but efficient.
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I think you can bring in 50 rounds max. Check CA law.
After July 2019.
Yes, but the law is written as prohibiting "purchased" ammunition. If it was always in the back of your truck, then I'd argue no law was broken.

30368. (a) Commencing July 1, 2019, a resident of this state shall not bring or transport into this state any ammunition that he or she purchased from outside of this state unless he or she first has that ammunition delivered to an ammunition vendor in this state for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 30366

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So if I go to NV with a buddy, we each buy a case of 9mm, and give the cases to one another, complete with cards and gift receipts, we are good?

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So if I go to NV with a buddy, we each buy a case of 9mm, and give the cases to one another, complete with cards and gift receipts, we are good?

My pirate heart soars, Arrrrrrrr
You guys are wasting a lot of hot air on ammo purchases. They have no serial number. Cannot be tracked. Just keep quiet and don't advertise what your doing and go about your business and you will be ok. Everybody is getting paranoid in this state. I have a home in Las Vegas and Kalifornia and I do what I god damn please no matter what Newsom and Becerra do. That is your only solution short of moving out of Kalifornia if these legal issues bother you that much.
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You guys are wasting a lot of hot air on ammo purchases. They have no serial number. Cannot be tracked. Just keep quiet and don't advertise what your doing and go about your business and you will be ok. Everybody is getting paranoid in this state. I have a home in Las Vegas and Kalifornia and I do what I god damn please no matter what Newsom and Becerra do. That is your only solution short of moving out of Kalifornia if these legal issues bother you that much.
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Just make sure there are no obvious indicators like receipts or price tags with LasVegas or Oregon etc store names on them. Without those they have nothing to legally hassle you over.
And for God's sake, keep your mouth shut.
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Ammo sniffing dogs? You guys are funny. I'd get nabbed for that just from the residuals inside my Jeep.

Imagine the I-15 backed up to Vegas while the well-funded California "Ammo Patrol" stops and searches every vehicle for contraband. Maybe they will find a ferret or two?

Sure, this stuff could happen, in Europe. The Commerce Clause will probably be the death of California's "ammo ban".
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Just make sure there are no obvious indicators like receipts or price tags with LasVegas or Oregon etc store names on them. Without those they have nothing to legally hassle you over.
And for God's sake, keep your mouth shut.
Most ammo deals are done in cash in Vegas. No receipts involved. Don't buy on credit.
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Do they have a radiation detection device there, Xray, etc? I see a large box like structure on the side of the Inspection station. Maybe it is scanning cars as they go by. I was looking for scanners but they are not apparent. At least what I am use to seeing. I don't trust that inspection station. It does not even say it is an Ag station.
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Because of Newsom, who hasn’t even taken office yet, this BF weekend went towards a lot of firearms parts. & accessories.... stuff that may eventually become banned from buying as residents of CA in the near future.
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Ammo sniffing dogs? You guys are funny. I'd get nabbed for that just from the residuals inside my Jeep.

Imagine the I-15 backed up to Vegas while the well-funded California "Ammo Patrol" stops and searches every vehicle for contraband. Maybe they will find a ferret or two?

Sure, this stuff could happen, in Europe. The Commerce Clause will probably be the death of California's "ammo ban".
yeah no kidding the is strong with this assumption.

There has to be a ferret patrol somewhere.
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You guys are wasting a lot of hot air on ammo purchases. They have no serial number. Cannot be tracked. Just keep quiet and don't advertise what your doing and go about your business and you will be ok. Everybody is getting paranoid in this state. I have a home in Las Vegas and Kalifornia and I do what I god damn please no matter what Newsom and Becerra do. That is your only solution short of moving out of Kalifornia if these legal issues bother you that much.
We live under a political dictatorship. Paranoia is part of their plan to keep people so paranoid to even do the most basic functions of daily life or even travel.

Stalin is very proud as to what this state has turned into.
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There has to be a ferret patrol somewhere.


There is a ferret patrol. California Department of Fish and Wildlfe.

A good friend of mine got her ferret confiscated and Fish and Wildlife tried to pin a misdemeanor on her for having it. Luckily, the DA said this is stupid and just gave her a $1100 fine and the ferret was taken. She got popped by answering a Craigslist ad, the guy said he wanted to give away his ferret to a good home. It was an undercover agent, bait ad. So your state government is out enforcing victimless crime. Yippee!
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So now I gotta ask...

What does:
"There is a ferret patrol. California Department of Fish and Wildlife."
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Some things are important to know!
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We live under a political dictatorship. Paranoia is part of their plan to keep people so paranoid to even do the most basic functions of daily life or even travel.

Stalin is very proud as to what this state has turned into.
I know. This has got to come to a head one way or another. This can't go on like this. The problem is that there is no justice without money in this country. The 2nd amendment won't protect you if the government ignores it. Only money will protect you and a willing supreme court. Otherwise, it is surrender or civil war.
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So now I gotta ask...

What does:
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Some things are important to know!
Probably the same thing they do with wild animals and game chickens...kill it.
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Just make sure there are no obvious indicators like receipts or price tags with LasVegas or Oregon etc store names on them. Without those they have nothing to legally hassle you over.
And for God's sake, keep your mouth shut.
Some ammo will have a year of manufacture on the head stamp.

Now ammo like 22Lr will have nothing on the rounds to tell the date of manufacture.

BUT the boxes will have a manufacture lot number that can be used to trace date and store shipped to. and the state of calif can get the info on any new ammo if still in the box.

Save all your old ammo boxes because the lot numbers will when the new ammo is reboxed in them look like older ammo.
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The last 2 times I came back from Las Vegas there was 1 lane open for cars at the checkpoint. And there was no one in the booth.

Of course I was passing through at 05:00.

Just think of the carnage I could have created with 10 crates of oranges.
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Take your ammo out of the boxes. Toss it into an old ammo can. Throw in a little AZ or NV dust and drive back.

Innocent until proven guilty. The CA DOJ must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you bought that ammo illegally out of state.

Case dismissed.
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Some ammo will have a year of manufacture on the head stamp.

Now ammo like 22Lr will have nothing on the rounds to tell the date of manufacture.

BUT the boxes will have a manufacture lot number that can be used to trace date and store shipped to. and the state of calif can get the info on any new ammo if still in the box.

Save all your old ammo boxes because the lot numbers will when the new ammo is reboxed in them look like older ammo.
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All this trouble for an infraction? Wow...I personally know over a dozen LEO’s from CHP’s to DFG...and they all tell me how overworked and understaffed they are.

I guess the new CA SS troopers will be dedicated to searching out ammo smugglers and writing them tickets.


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Will it be an infraction after July 2019? Illegal fireworks are already a misdemeanor.
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I know. This has got to come to a head one way or another. This can't go on like this. The problem is that there is no justice without money in this country. The 2nd amendment won't protect you if the government ignores it. Only money will protect you and a willing supreme court. Otherwise, it is surrender or civil war.
oh yes it can go one like this. Think about it this way. This state is importing the hemisphere's poor here. People that come from countries that do not have rights that the US does.

They are not taught them in schools or a perverted version of it. They are taught and they bring with them their government controlled lifestyle here. As we are seeing here. High taxes, regulations on just about everything. Gun Control well these people did not come from a country that has gun rights. Thus they support it . Prop 63 gave this state cart blanch on enacting any gun control law as well. The people want it. The people here don't care about the Bill of Rights and what it means. They only care about what government can do for them and not what they can do for themselves.


When they see government officials touting stricter gun laws well they support it because they know nothing else than government control over firearms or outright bans on ownership.

Does this go for every person who comes here? The answer is no. But they are outnumbered by those who do believe in it.

Just look at the defeat of repealing the gas tax. People are uneducated on issues like this. The state here loves it so no we're stuck with a gas tax that no one gets a voice on ever again.

It's only going to get worse when the Legislature and Newsom are sworn in to royally F*** us over.
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Old 11-25-2018, 5:58 PM
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oh yes it can go one like this. Think about it this way. This state is importing the hemisphere's poor here. People that come from countries that do not have rights that the US does.

They are not taught them in schools or a perverted version of it. They are taught and they bring with them their government controlled lifestyle here. As we are seeing here. High taxes, regulations on just about everything. Gun Control well these people did not come from a country that has gun rights. Thus they support it . Prop 63 gave this state cart blanch on enacting any gun control law as well. The people want it. The people here don't care about the Bill of Rights and what it means. They only care about what government can do for them and not what they can do for themselves.


When they see government officials touting stricter gun laws well they support it because they know nothing else than government control over firearms or outright bans on ownership.

Does this go for every person who comes here? The answer is no. But they are outnumbered by those who do believe in it.

Just look at the defeat of repealing the gas tax. People are uneducated on issues like this. The state here loves it so no we're stuck with a gas tax that no one gets a voice on ever again.

It's only going to get worse when the Legislature and Newsom are sworn in to royally F*** us over.
I am just glad I won't be around in 50 years, or less. This will be a different country. I have a house in Nevada but even that state is not guaranteed to be pro 2nd amendment. Nevada still hosts the SHOT show, but for how long?
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