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Old 11-09-2010, 11:30 PM
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I've been using #2 and find myself a bit low. Maybe my own doing from anticipation, but what have you guy found to be correct?
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I believe Sigs have combat sights, which mean the front sight should be covering the target. So technically it should be image #3. From my own experience I found image #2 works for me better.
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It's #3 for SIGs.
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Very glad I found this photo. I have an old P226 and I keep shooting #2 and they go high. I thought it was just me and my shooting style. Time to go for image #3.
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I've always shot as in #2 with all my guns, even my SIG.
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I believe Sigs have combat sights, which mean the front sight should be covering the target. So technically it should be image #3. From my own experience I found image #2 works for me better.
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#2 is proper for 3 dot sights. Put your pumpkin on the fence kiddos. Low is probably anticipation, load you mag with a few snap caps or empty shells and watch the front sight dip!
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#2 is proper for 3 dot sights. Put your pumpkin on the fence kiddos. Low is probably anticipation, load you mag with a few snap caps or empty shells and watch the front sight dip!
That's no joke. The first time I tried this technique I was shocked. It really lets you know how back your flinch is.
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Sigs and H&Ks (USP, P2000, P30) are set up for #3
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How about this? Point it wherever it needs to go to hit the target.
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How about this? Point it wherever it needs to go to hit the target.
Thats good too.. but sometimes bullseye shooting is fun. Also, I think its good for beginners to practice trigger control knowing where they should be laying their sites and how close they get to their intended target.
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Thats good too.. but sometimes bullseye shooting is fun. Also, I think its good for beginners to practice trigger control knowing where they should be laying their sites and how close they get to their intended target.
I'm not disagreeing with any of this, but sometimes sights can vary in terms of POA/POI. Sights can be off. So the "right" sight picture might never jive with where the bullets go on a gun with fixed sights. If there is a huge discrepancy then an adjustment is in order. If it's a small discrepancy then you are just going to have to adjust your POA. That's my point.
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Very glad I found this photo. I have an old P226 and I keep shooting #2 and they go high. I thought it was just me and my shooting style. Time to go for image #3.
If you're shooting high with #2, wouldn't image #3 make it shoot higher?
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Sigs and H&Ks (USP, P2000, P30) are set up for #3
mind proving that?
I'm curious since sig has 2 different standard sight heights.
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I'm curious since sig has 2 different standard sight heights.
I've had a P226 with night sights and have a P220 with standard sights.

The 226 was definitely #3, but that makes sense with night sights. You can't see the top of the sights in the dark, only the lamps. So you line them up with the middle one covering your target.

The 220 utilizes the stacked dots, and I get the impression you should be using the #2 setup as I tend to shoot a little high with it. Of course, I don't mind that so much as the 220 is my HD gun, and shooting higher is better than shooting lower.
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Sig P226's are set up for #2. I used to own several W. German variants that came with factory test targets and they are set up to group about an inch above the point of aim at 15 yards.
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I'm not disagreeing with any of this, but sometimes sights can vary in terms of POA/POI. Sights can be off. So the "right" sight picture might never jive with where the bullets go on a gun with fixed sights. If there is a huge discrepancy then an adjustment is in order. If it's a small discrepancy then you are just going to have to adjust your POA. That's my point.
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mind proving that?
I'm curious since sig has 2 different standard sight heights.
Unfortunately, I don't have any hard evidence but I really probably should have mentioned that I was simply echoing what I've read on Sigforum, Hkpro, and Pistol-Training from notable posters who showed the same images as examples. Also from my personal experience and its worked for SP2022, P226, P229, USP 9 and 40, with fixed sights.
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#3 from personal experience...
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My understanding, having shot many 226s in classes and during departmental qualifications if that #2 in the correct sight picture to use for checking sight alignment.

If you are shooting low using the sight picture in #2 and you have verified this by shooting the pistol from a rest, you should install a higher numbered front or rear sight.

There may have been a time...in the early 2000s...when there were pistols shipped with sights that shot to the POI in sight alignment #3, but that has never been the default. With #3, you cannot get repeatable enough sight alignment to adjust POA/POI
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If you are shooting low using the sight picture in #2 and you have verified this by shooting the pistol from a rest, you should install a higher numbered front or rear sight.
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There was a similar conversation going on in the sigforum. From what I hear Sigs and HK's were designed for the sight picture to cover up the target. In practice I end up shooting just a shy too high. So in practice #2 usually works for me. If I shot with image #1, I always end up shooting too low, even if I were to bench the pistol.

I think I remember Bruce Gray mentioning the same thing several years ago, on Sigforum, but my searchfoo isn't very good today.
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I think I remember Bruce Gray mentioning the same thing several years ago, on Sigforum, but my searchfoo isn't very good today.
that's because they prune the threads every 6 months...He teaches sight picture #2 also, at least that is what he was doing last Saturday
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Sigs and H&Ks (USP, P2000, P30) are set up for #3
i was just going to ask thanks!


on that note. ....


S&W 6906 - from my experience (approx 1.6k rounds ) is also #3
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My SigSauer pistol is not accurate. Why? What should I do?
All SigSauer production duty/combat pistols are set up to use a "combat" sight picture. This is where the front sight completely covers the bulls eye of the target. Using a six o'clock ("pumpkin on a post") or center mass ("half'n'half") sight picture will result in low impact. SigSauer, Inc sights in all non-sporting and non-target pistols for 2.5 inch groupings @ 15 yards. If you are still having trouble please contact Customer Service for further help and instruction. Please have your serial number ready. There are also very helpful free Internet sites that cover pistol group analysis.

http://www.sigsauer.com/CustomerService/Faq.aspx

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Actually, without pulling out my manual, I believe Sig says they factory sight their pistols at 25 meters. If your target is significantly closer than that, bullet trajectory will cause POI to be somewhat lower.
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I'm gunna post this again because of how important it is when shooting sigs.

My SigSauer pistol is not accurate. Why? What should I do?
All SigSauer production duty/combat pistols are set up to use a "combat" sight picture. This is where the front sight completely covers the bulls eye of the target. Using a six o'clock ("pumpkin on a post") or center mass ("half'n'half") sight picture will result in low impact. SigSauer, Inc sights in all non-sporting and non-target pistols for 2.5 inch groupings @ 15 yards. If you are still having trouble please contact Customer Service for further help and instruction. Please have your serial number ready. There are also very helpful free Internet sites that cover pistol group analysis.
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I have used #3 with all of my sigs. 239, 229, 226, 220 and have had nothing but success.
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My SigSauer pistol is not accurate. Why? What should I do?
All SigSauer production duty/combat pistols are set up to use a "combat" sight picture. This is where the front sight completely covers the bulls eye of the target. Using a six o'clock ("pumpkin on a post") or center mass ("half'n'half") sight picture will result in low impact. SigSauer, Inc sights in all non-sporting and non-target pistols for 2.5 inch groupings @ 15 yards. If you are still having trouble please contact Customer Service for further help and instruction. Please have your serial number ready. There are also very helpful free Internet sites that cover pistol group analysis.

http://www.sigsauer.com/CustomerService/Faq.aspx

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Wow, I've always shot my SIGs with sight picture #2 (center mass), and they've shot to POA. That includes a W. German 226, W. German 228, and a 220ST, all with the fixed stock SIG sights (the name of which eludes me at the moment, but perhaps 9mmepiphany will remind me ).

That SIG's website says they're using sight picture #3 is news to me. Thanks for posting that.
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I've always used sight picture #2 for all of my firearms. My P226-BTFO shoots swell at 15 yards with sight picture #2.
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My understanding, having shot many 226s in classes and during departmental qualifications if that #2 in the correct sight picture to use for checking sight alignment.

If you are shooting low using the sight picture in #2 and you have verified this by shooting the pistol from a rest, you should install a higher numbered front or rear sight.

There may have been a time...in the early 2000s...when there were pistols shipped with sights that shot to the POI in sight alignment #3, but that has never been the default. With #3, you cannot get repeatable enough sight alignment to adjust POA/POI
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I'm gunna post this again because of how important it is when shooting sigs.

My SigSauer pistol is not accurate. Why? What should I do?
All SigSauer production duty/combat pistols are set up to use a "combat" sight picture. This is where the front sight completely covers the bulls eye of the target. Using a six o'clock ("pumpkin on a post") or center mass ("half'n'half") sight picture will result in low impact. SigSauer, Inc sights in all non-sporting and non-target pistols for 2.5 inch groupings @ 15 yards. If you are still having trouble please contact Customer Service for further help and instruction. Please have your serial number ready. There are also very helpful free Internet sites that cover pistol group analysis.
That's interesting, Erik. I hadn't seen that on Sig's site. I checked my manual and I misspoke: doesn't say the pistol is sighted at 25m, although it does state the incremental differences for sight changes at 25m.

Like 9mmepiphany, I favor the #2 sight picture for the reason he stated.
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(the name of which eludes me at the moment, but perhaps 9mmepiphany will remind me ).
OH that was mean, because I can't ever remember how to spell them...however I did remember to save it the last time I had to look it up. The standard Sig factory sights for the W.German Sigs were the Von Stavenhagen sights

I have also always used Sight Picture #2 (bissecting the desired POI aligned top of the front blade) if I was interested in shooting accurately...or at least testing the accuracy of the gun I was shooting.

If you think about it for a moment, the best you can expect is to get the shots in the neighborhood of the center of the target if you cover it with your front sight blade. You're putting the front dot (aligned with the rear dot...which you shouldn't be doing anyway) on where you think/remember the center of the target is...since you can no longer see it. This is just slightly better than lobbing shots into a target as a form of area fire. It does work...but it is a false sense of accuracy...I can do it, but I can do just as well using the top of my slide (that is why I like the old folded slide Sigs with the arrowhead flat on top of the slide)

Your accuracy potential is limited by how consistently you can imagine where the center of the target is at the moment you press the trigger for each shot. It would be like using a high power scope that showed you the bullseye of the target, but was so powerful that you couldn't see the edges of the bull to center the cross hairs

The fact that the different sight heights give POI changes at 25m, would lead me to believe that the factory sights are regulated for that range also
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I shoot an FNP-40 with a 3 dot setup and had an issue shooting low. The guys at FN told me that it was set up as a combat site, so to center the front site on the target. Can't speak specifically to the Sig's site setup, but it makes sense.
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If you're shooting high with #2, wouldn't image #3 make it shoot higher?
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well my 226 has been shooting low, Im going to try what sig recommends. But yes I find it easier to bisect the poa with the top of the sight blade. Covering the target makes more sense for moving/close quarters I suppose...but for target practice it sucks.

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