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Old 06-24-2018, 12:07 AM
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Hi.
I love pistol shooting.
I like shooting rifles. And shotguns.
But I love shooting pistols.
My favorite is LB currently. Iím thinking about maybe a full custom. Just because. I know in advance it will not shoot better than anything I have. Just thinking about it.
Who is alive and making pistols who makes the best 1911 full custom? And why do you think so?
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A lot of the top custom 1911 builders have their own unique touch. What are you looking for?
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That is easy...

The one you want...are willing tp pay for...and can actually be made by a smith for you...

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Best for ME would mean a full size .45 , all steel , single stack that functions 100% with my duty ammo and groups 2" or better for 10 shot groups at 25 yards from a random rest . ( with full power duty ammo) I owned MANY custom and custom production 1911's. There were two 1911's that did it for me. SA Pro and Les Baer PII. For Bulls Eye , Clark Sr. Long Slide was the most accurate 1911 I ever fired.

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Without defining what you consider a "full custom", how much you are looking to spend, how long you are willing to wait, it is difficult to respond to your query. If you like your LB, I would contact them and see what they nhave to offer. Or are you looking for a independent smith or custom shop? If you want top of the line full custom I would say that you are talking "Stan Chen", Jason Burton of Heirloom Precision, or the likes of them. I do not like to recommend a person to go to other sites, but if you do you will open you will have a better opportunity to come up with some names of top smiths & their shops. However that may not be what you are looking for. I would look locally first, such as the smith that gave a nod to Will O'hara. For further reading, look up Bullseye-L-Forum, 1911 Addicts, 1911Pro, 1911 Forum & the likes. Keep in mind that smiths that build 1" or 1.5" 50 yd bullseye guns are a totally different breed of cat that those that specialize mainly in aesthetics. I just had my Jim Hoag long-slide Mastergrade rebuilt by Jon Eulette, a very well known bullseye shooter & builder of bullseye competition guns. He did a great job & I would highly recommend him for accuracy / precision handgun work. He's in the Palm Springs area.

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He is so demanding that he makes the major parts to maintain quality control and his turnaround time is pretty reasonable...measured in months rather than years
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A full-custom 1911 is more like a piece of art than a pistol. Just like art, there are many different artists with very particular set of strengths and things they focus on. What I define as “best” vs what anyone else defines as “best” may be completely different based on what features define your “best.”

Define your “best” and go with that. There just too many very skilled artisans making some amazing works of art. Figure out what you want and go with that.
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SVI makes a excellent and good shooting gun, IMHO, but I.ve never seen or heard any indication that they could ever be considered a match for a full custom. Big difference in price, too. There is no way that a gun selling for under 2K could ever compete with a gun or work that sells for 5K & upward. Not knocking SVI, but we're talking 2 different worlds here.
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SVI makes a excellent and good shooting gun, IMHO, but I.ve never seen or heard any indication that they could ever be considered a match for a full custom. Big difference in price, too. There is no way that a gun selling for under 2K could ever compete with a gun or work that sells for 5K & upward. Not knocking SVI, but we're talking 2 different worlds here.
SVI starts at 4,200, with most builds being 6K+.
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SVI starts at 4,200, with most builds being 6K+.
Oops, my bad. The last that I heard they were not going for anywhere near that much. Many thanks for the correction. I still don't know though, that I would consider them cosmetically on the same rung as the works of Heirloom Precision & Stan Chen. Beauty, evidently is in the eyes of the beholder.
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The last that I heard they were not going for anywhere near that much.
You were probably thinking STI.

They are different companies and it's actually interesting to figure out what each letter stands for. Strayer, Tripp, Voigt are all connected to STI/SVI and they pop up in different gun-related enterprises. For example, ever heard of "Tripp magazines?"
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Full custom is absolutely the way to go. It takes a lot of money but more than that, it takes the patience to save and pass up all those "bargains" ahead of the commitment to a custom.

I've been through more "gunsmiths" than one would care to name; the majority are just 'okay'(I've certainly wasted more money on them than I wished), some were vastly overrated (including one SIG specialist), and a couple were as good as others claimed. You ain't lived until you've shopped around a screwed-up 1911 to another gunsmith hoping to get some "custom" work repaired.

At the top of my list there's Ted Yost, Ned Christiansen, CT Brian and Stan Chen all who are coincidentally over at LTW. I've seen their individual works at a SHOT show, along with several other private gunsmiths at the show. I won't say who I favor, but of those four, I like one strictly because his sense of style agrees with me. I would expect that all four can produce specimens of excellent accuracy, though I've only had personal experience with two of the four. (I've owned at least 2 specimens from those two 'smiths; I'm down to one favorite gun now. ) I've been fortunate enough to have been able to purchase them and compare them side-by-side at the range where "inherent accuracy" and personal fitment under recoil conditions defined the winner for me. The differences were slight; enough so that I decline to name my favorite because I don't want it to seem that I'm ready for a ****ing contest. I know that might not seem fair, but thorough research would probably bring the curious reader to a very narrow list that would exclude a lot of the internet-touted "gunsmiths". (There are LOTS of posts from dissatisfied "custom 1911" customers; it just takes digging.)
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Oops, my bad, but I could not remember the names of "Ted Yost, Ned Christiansen, CT Brian all who are coincidentally over at LTW". Didn't they tie in with "heirloom Precision" at one time? Also wasn't Jason Burton with them at one time? Those named are all exceptional gunsmiths and take their gunsmithing to the highest level of integrity IMHO.
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The best full custom?

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You were probably thinking STI.

They are different companies and it's actually interesting to figure out what each letter stands for. Strayer, Tripp, Voigt are all connected to STI/SVI and they pop up in different gun-related enterprises. For example, ever heard of "Tripp magazines?"
I probably was, many thanks for the correction. Yes, I'm familiar with Tripp mags, but I prefer WC ETM mags over all of the others.

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Can you clearly define "best"? If not, then the answer is nobody.
By "the best" what I meant was "the best." Not to be silly about it. I know it's not one single person in the entire world.

Let's say if you are looking for a 1911. And you are looking at a Springfield or a Wilson. I think everyone would say the Wilson is better in every measurable category (except price). So Wilson is better. If you ask for the best, people would say "there is no best. But if you are willing to spend for a non-fully-custom gun, Wilson is probably up there. NH, Brown, probably up there but maybe a notch below, and LB around there but maybe a notch below. So there is no "best," but rather the Wilson, NH, Brown, and LB are all close enough in the same category that they would be the best, and say another group of manufacturers would be the next group down.

Just curious as to who I should be looking at. I began looking at Stan Chen and just looking to see who else is in that category.
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SVI makes a excellent and good shooting gun, IMHO, but I.ve never seen or heard any indication that they could ever be considered a match for a full custom. Big difference in price, too. There is no way that a gun selling for under 2K could ever compete with a gun or work that sells for 5K & upward. Not knocking SVI, but we're talking 2 different worlds here.
They are full custom. Takes 16-18 months and they do charge 5K and upward (mine cost a bit more than that).

Here is a pic of one from their site very similar to mine.
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I really like the work of gunsmith Jim Milks located in PA. He was the former gunsmith for EGW. His machining and welding skills are top notch. His wait time is not outrageously long and he's very easy to speak with. The 1911's he's built for me have functioned flawlessly and are very accurate.

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About 6 or 8 months ago there was a Christiansen arms 1911 for sale in the classifieds here that I thought was quite nice
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I got a good price on the SR1911 CMD was the main reason. If I already had a Colt Commander, I would have used that. New combat commaders were going for almost double what I paid. I didnít have a spare Caspian frame taking up room in the safe. Thereís a lot of meat on the front strap to work with when the high cut and checkering is done.
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I got a good price on the SR1911 CMD was the main reason. If I already had a Colt Commander, I would have used that. New combat commaders were going for almost double what I paid. I didnít have a spare Caspian frame taking up room in the safe. Thereís a lot of meat on the front strap to work with when the high cut and checkering is done.
They are very good pistols! I just thought perhaps the cost of the pistol itself somehow might disqualify it as a platform for custom work that may double or triple the initial investment. I may be wrong. I'm often wrong. Never mind.
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They are very good pistols! I just thought perhaps the cost of the pistol itself somehow might disqualify it as a platform for custom work that may double or triple the initial investment. I may be wrong. I'm often wrong. Never mind.

Itís not the initial cost of the donor. It comes down to a few things. Mainly metallurgy, proper specs or close enough to work with them are probably big ones. Each brand has their inherit quirks and once a smith has worked with each one enough they know what to expect. Some are such problem childís some smiths wonít work with them.

Some manufacturers may be preferred to others for better metallurgy. There is nothing worse than hitting bubbles in the frame when trying to do a high grip. It happens but we try to minimize it.


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