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Old 06-22-2018, 7:10 PM
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I have a PWS EDS slide with RMR cut which was recently purchased new from a fellow member here. My Trijicon RM06 arrived today but upon trying to install, the posts on the slide are off a very tiny bit.

The only way I can show this is by using the mounting plate as a reference as shown below.


The posts won't go in flat but if slanted, one will go thru with no problem.


The only solution I can think of is have someone grind of the posts a bit to make it thinner. Anyone else had a similar problem and any suggestions?

Also, the red dot is not a perfect circle for my vision which really sucks. Could the RMR be defective or I just have astigmatism?

Please help.
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I have a PWS EDS slide with RMR cut which was recently purchased new from a fellow member here. My Trijicon RM06 arrived today but upon trying to install, the posts on the slide are off a very tiny bit.

The only way I can show this is by using the mounting plate as a reference as shown below.
The posts won't go in flat but if slanted, one will go thru with no problem.
The only solution I can think of is have someone grind of the posts a bit to make it thinner. Anyone else had a similar problem and any suggestions?
Also, the red dot is not a perfect circle for my vision which really sucks. Could the RMR be defective or I just have astigmatism?

Please help.
Did you try it without the plate on an off chance the plate is slightly off?
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Is it my imagination because it seems like you are cursed? Everything you've done or bought has some sort of issue.

Can't you just drill the hole slightly bigger on the plate or just give it a light tap with a hammer?
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Did you try it without the plate on an off chance the plate is slightly off?
Yes, RMR won't go in just like the plate. Plate is perfectly aligned with the RMR, both Trijicon brands. Seller/previous owner here wants me to bring it in a LGS but I honestly think they won't be able to do anything but force it and ruin something. He told me that he bought the slide new but never used it because didn't end up purchasing a Glock.

Thanks for your quick reply btw. So besides grinding off the posts a little bit, any other suggestions? I don't plan to do it myself for sure lol.
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So you're saying that the holes that were drilled on the slide does not fit the RMR? Maybe that's why the seller sold it. Primary Weapons Systems is a good company so you should contact them to see what they can do for you.
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take a larger drill in hand and "champer both sides of the holes may give enough to get on flat?
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Is it my imagination because it seems like you are cursed? Everything you've done or bought has some sort of issue.

Can't you just drill the hole slightly bigger on the plate or just give it a light tap with a hammer?
lol, I suck.

It's not just the plate, even the RMR.

The slide has raised posts built in to go through the RMR and plate.
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It looks like the holes in be slide are not drilled correctly or the milling is off.



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take a larger drill in hand and "champer both sides of the holes may give enough to get on flat?
I really don't want to do that to a brand new RMR.
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It looks like the holes in be slide are not drilled correctly or the milling is off.



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I'm thinking of having the posts shaved down a bit in diameter.
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Are you sure it's the RMR cut? Mine looks different.
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Are you sure it's the RMR cut? Mine looks different.
Front and rear of Rmr goes in perfectly if installed one side, either right or left.

It wonít just go in flat because of the posts.
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I'm thinking of having the posts shaved down a bit in diameter.
I would personally contact the people that make the slide and ask them...
I would not shave the posts down just yet. Take measurements first and contact the slide maker.

And what do you mean the dot is not a perfect circle? Can you take a picture of the dot?
Make sure there is no lint on the light source itself.
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Here are some measurements. Please note that the trijicon plate is aligned perfectly with the RMR thus using the plate as a reference.









I plan to send it to Jagerwerks to have it remedied while being cerakoted. I think if they can shave down a posts a fraction of a mm, the slide will be able to accommodate the RMR.

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Your measurements seem like it should fit. Use the other lips of the caliper to measure the distance between the outer edges of the holes in the plate btw.
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Yes, RMR won't go in just like the plate. Plate is perfectly aligned with the RMR, both Trijicon brands.
If the RMR won't go in, what makes you think by shaving the posts the screws connecting the RMR to the slide will work? Looks like a total misalignment even if one side goes in. I would talk to the mfr of the slide. These RMR cut tolerances on slides should be down to hundredths/thousandths of an inch...that looks like someone knocked the slide mount a hair during cutting. Good luck.
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Your measurements seem like it should fit. Use the other lips of the caliper to measure the distance between the outer edges of the holes in the plate btw.
If they were just holes on the slide, it wouldnít be a problem. But the threads for the screws are on a raised post.

Iíll try to measure as you mentioned.
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If the RMR won't go in, what makes you think by shaving the posts the screws connecting the RMR to the slide will work? Looks like a total misalignment even if one side goes in. I would talk to the mfr of the slide. These RMR cut tolerances on slides should be down to hundredths/thousandths of an inch...that looks like someone knocked the slide mount a hair during cutting. Good luck.
If you have the parts in front of you, it looks like itís going to go in but only slightly off. If material can be taken off the posts, I think it will go in.

Either that or make the holes on the RMR a bit bigger which I wonít do.
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Your measurements seem like it should fit. Use the other lips of the caliper to measure the distance between the outer edges of the holes in the plate btw.
Here is the distance measurement.
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Here is the distance measurement.
Not what I meant. You are setting the caliper near the holes in the plate. I am saying put the lips of the caliper into the holes of the plate and pull the caliper apart to get the distance between the outer edges of the holes. I was just saying that you are not using the caliper to the full potential. Unless of course you only set it down like that for picture taking.
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THIS RIGHT HERE! Call PWS and explain the situation before you send it to Jagerwerks to be worked on.
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THIS RIGHT HERE! Call PWS and explain the situation before you send it to Jagerwerks to be worked on.
Although the slide is enroute to Jagerwerks via overnight delivery, I have emailed PWS for now. If Jagerwerks canít accommodate, I will send to PWS accordingly.
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The seller probably didn’t want to deal with this issue which is most likely why it was sold. The slide was probably off a little by the manufacturer.

I had the same thing happen with a slide I bought. I had to send it back to the manufacturer for a replacement. But the manufacturer was great and took care of me.
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Just an update. PWS has the slide on hand but I was advised that there is no guarantee that they can remedy the problem and don't have another slide in stock anymore for replacement.

I don't know what to do further if PWS can't fix this.

Wish me luck
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The seller probably didnít want to deal with this issue which is most likely why it was sold. The slide was probably off a little by the manufacturer.

I had the same thing happen with a slide I bought. I had to send it back to the manufacturer for a replacement. But the manufacturer was great and took care of me.
The previous owner claims that he bought it new back in 2015 but never got a chance to install it. Ended up not buying a glock so it was just sitting the whole time.
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If the slide posts are off then I would be concerned more with the screw alignment than the post-in-hole alignment. When tightening the screws to mount the RMR it would put stress somewhere (somewhere you most likely do not want).

I have RMR06 on my M&P CORE and my P320 I had custom milled. The dot gets "fuzzy" if you turn the brightness up. Try turning the brightness to low setting and see if the shape is round.
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Can't wait to find out what other problems you discover with this slide. The fact that they no longer offer it for sale says a lot.

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Can't wait to find out what other problems you discover with this slide. The fact that they no longer offer it for sale says a lot.

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Here is an update from PWS as we speak:

"We are going to have the EDS ran on the CNC machine to check all the tolerances.
Once we get that data we can see what the next step is.

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If the slide posts are off then I would be concerned more with the screw alignment than the post-in-hole alignment. When tightening the screws to mount the RMR it would put stress somewhere (somewhere you most likely do not want).

I have RMR06 on my M&P CORE and my P320 I had custom milled. The dot gets "fuzzy" if you turn the brightness up. Try turning the brightness to low setting and see if the shape is round.
Noted. I asked PWS to test fit an actual RMR to make sure the screw holes are aligned. I sent them my Trijicon mounting plate in case the don't have one on hand.
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The seller probably didnít want to deal with this issue which is most likely why it was sold. The slide was probably off a little by the manufacturer.

I had the same thing happen with a slide I bought. I had to send it back to the manufacturer for a replacement. But the manufacturer was great and took care of me.
So they gave you a new slide?

With PWS, can I ask for something to compensate me somehow if they can't do anything? I really don't know anything about the company.
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I just heard back from PWS. Per their QC, the lugs are slightly wide as I have mentioned above. They won't be able to make any modifications or provide a replacement.

I'm basically screwed paying $300 for an unused RMR slide I can't use (for it's intended purpose).

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Send both your SLIDE and RMR to Jagerworks. They have an actual machine shop and can at least shave the lugs so your RMR fits.
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Jagerworks had my slide prior to PWS. They did not want to touch it.
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Then you should contact the seller for relief. They have an obligation to sell you something that works. Even if they didn't know it was defective before selling it to you. I think a partial refund is reasonable and thats what I would offer if I were the seller.

If you can't get any relief there, you can shave the posts yourself with a Dremel and drum sanding bit. Shave the outside of both posts so you can split the resulting misalignment of screws across two posts instead of one.

Once you've confirmed that everything fits, then send it back to Jagerworks for whatever work you wanted done.
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I just heard back from PWS. Per their QC, the lugs are slightly wide as I have mentioned above. They won't be able to make any modifications or provide a replacement.

I'm basically screwed paying $300 for an unused RMR slide I can't use (for it's intended purpose).

Any other suggestions?
At this point I think your only options are

a) somehow make it fit
b) put a cover plate on it and shoot with iron sights. It will be relatively simple to make a cover plate fit. You can probably just file the plate a bit and snap it right over the posts.
c) sell it at a deep discount with full disclosure of the issue. I’d offer you $50 for the stripped slide or $100 with sights and internals.

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isn't PWS fault to make the bad cut?so why they don't offer any warranty work??
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With the OP's luck, those slides were probably blemished or 2nd hand slides that were sold at a discount and not covered under any warranty. I would call this a lesson learned as it wasn't meant for you to install an RMR on a Glock. Save the RMR for something nicer.
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It's only .15 off.... might be time for the BFH.
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It's only .15 off.... might be time for the BFH.
I think it is about .15 mm off if I'm reading the caliper correctly. That is less than .006 of an inch off.

One alternative may be to mill off the raised threaded bosses, fill,re-drill and re-tap the mounting holes in the slide if needed and then drill the mounting area to install the two small front dowels RMR's sights can accommodate and use them to locate/position the sight, with the threaded screws just used to clamp the RMR to the slide.

If the sight cut is machined tight enough you may not even need the dowels. Using a longer screw to mount the sight as you no longer would have the bosses around the thread might allow for more misalignment and you may not even need to fill/redrill/retap the slide if the remaining thread depth is sufficient. Many, many, RMR sights are mounted without threaded bosses and use locating pins in front instead.

Another alternative is modify the sight slightly; .006 ain't much.

A third option might be to see if either an ATOM or Glock MOS sight base pattern can be milled into the slide and use their mounts to install the RMR.

I don't know where you are located but perhaps you could talk to a local gunsmith/machinist with some practical problem solving ability such as Randall at AR15barrels or some of the other gunsmiths on this site that post in the Gunsmithing sub-forum here.
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