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Old 06-11-2017, 10:27 AM
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Question: If I have semi-auto center fire with a collapsible stock (no pistol grip) and a flash hider would that now be a AW? For instance an M1a or Mini-14 with a stock only option and a factory flash hider.

Under the old rules this would be legal, but under the new rules would I need a BB that doesn't exist?

Or would that mean that I can register it and add a pistol while keeping my standard mag release?
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Old 06-11-2017, 11:17 AM
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Question: If I have semi-auto center fire with a collapsible stock (no pistol grip) and a flash hider would that now be a AW? For instance an M1a or Mini-14 with a stock only option and a factory flash hider.

Under the old rules this would be legal, but under the new rules would I need a BB that doesn't exist?

Or would that mean that I can register it and add a pistol while keeping my standard mag release?
Unless it was a registered assault weapon prior to 2017, this was never legal without a maglock, collapsible stocks and flash hiders are features just like pistol grips.
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Under the old rules your center fire semiautomatic with a collapsible stock or flash suppressor would have been an AW. There would be no legal path forward under the new regulations other than removing the AW features or converting to a fixed magazine.
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And, just so you know. There is no such thing as a "featureless AW".

If it's "featureless" it's not an AW.

If it has "features" then it's an AW.

See how that works?

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http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf

Here ya go OP, knock yourself out.
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And, just so you know. There is no such thing as a "featureless AW".
A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length less than 30 inches is an assault weapon without any enumerated features from PC 30515(a)(1), measured in the shortest firing configuration. Under the new regulations, muzzle appliances only count towards overall length when permanently attached where we can assume BATF standards apply using high-temperature silver solder, welding, or blind pinning plus a weld.

In practice, when using a barrel 16" or longer to avoid SBR classification this only applies to bullpups. While an actual milspec M4 is just under 30" collapsed, the extended A2 flash hider needed to meet the federal 16" barrel length requirement makes a non-SBR version over 30" collapsed.

16.5" barreled IWI Tavor SAR and X95 rifles with 16.5" barrels measure 26.1" long, with the semi-automatic X95 making length only due to a thick butt pad adding 1".

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A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length less than 30 inches is an assault weapon without any enumerated features from PC 30515(a)(1), measured in the shortest firing configuration. Under the new regulations, muzzle appliances only count towards overall length when permanently attached where we can assume BATF standards apply using high-temperature silver solder, welding, or blind pinning plus a weld.

In practice, when using a barrel 16" or longer to avoid SBR classification this only applies to bullpups. While an actual milspec M4 is just under 30" collapsed, the extended A2 flash hider needed to meet the federal 16" barrel length requirement makes a non-SBR version over 30" collapsed.

16.5" barreled IWI Tavor SAR and X95 rifles with 16.5" barrels measure 26.1" long, with the semi-automatic X95 making length only due to a thick butt pad adding 1".
Being less than 30" OAL is a "feature" of the rifle. But I get what you're saying.

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