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Need close-mid range optic for Scar17
Going to be using it for running/gunning exercises (no competition, just practice with either an instructor or just myself). I would like something that allows me to easily be able to switch from close contact to decently long range (is 500 yards too much for a multi purpose optic?). I have an xps2 with a g33, and although it works on my Tavor, I can't say I'm overly fond of it. So if possible, I'd like to know if there was something different I could use.
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When this comes back in stock its ideal for that.
https://www.primaryarms.com/Primary_...p/paps1-6x.htm
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OP, you have a beautiful rifle... worth a lot of money... do it some justice and grab yourself a nice 1-6x optic... my favorite right now is a Vortex Razor GenII 1-6x... it's amazing! The eyepiece almost floats like a Hensoldt... optically it's incredible and will let you engage easily to 500yards and back down to CQB.
Also comes with Vortex's famous lifetime, no questions asked warranty. Call Chris at Sportoptics for one, he'll hook you up. |
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I have a Nightforce 2.5-10x42 on my SCAR 17, and LOVE it. I've been using the rifle for pig hunts and varmint hunting. I would suggest putting an optic that matches the rifle's ability as well as use.
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Jerry, I was thinking the same thing you were at first, but then I realized he was also asking for close contact.
I think the Nightforce 2.5-10x42 is AWESOME, but for a close contact scope, he'd have faster acquisition with a 1x. Of course, he could just add a red dot on a 1 o'clock mount along any scope of his choice. |
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op, i bought a us optics 1-8 for my scar 17. bobro mount makes it pretty dang stable. |
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I think everyone has a different opinion as to what close contact is. I have a red dot along with an ACOG on two of my ARs, but didn't see the need for the SCAR yet. I shot a pig charging at me less than 10 yards away, with both eyes open, with the optic at 2.5 power, no problem. I think the 1x optics are kind of awkward to look through, and I've tried quite a few. The best one was the USO, but still distortion at 1x, just like the rest of them.
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If you have a little more coin to spare, the Leupold Mark 8 is the perfect match for the SCAR 17... 1.1-8x24 w/ 34mm tube. Go with the CMR-W version for the 7.62. It's got a .5 MOA dot for precision shots and a 5 MOA outer ring for quick shots. It's daylight illuminated. The glass is superb and on par with S&B. It's robust and well built. The Mark 6 1-6x is nice, but the 8x of the mark8 gives you the opportunity to see your hits at 100yds without a separate spotting scope.
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But given the options these days... there doesn't seem to be much of a market. |
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I do like ACOG, and I think they make a 6x one for 7.62...though I think that is calibrated for the m249? Edit 2: Oh god, that NF 2.5-10x42 is so sexy in MOAR Last edited by Soginator; 06-12-2015 at 3:06 PM.. |
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I use a 4x ACOG for my AR-10. ACOGs don't give me issues at close range and the little magnification is just right for the range of 308.
I do not like 1-6x optics, just out of preference since they are extremely hard to make just right, I haven't really seen one that I'd pay for after owning one that I put on a 22lr. That is completely my PERSONAL OPINION as there is a lot of subjectivity in this matter. The issue is that the 308 has a wide usage range, so there are lots of options. I have a few 308s and they use different optics depending on what the type of gun and use is. For a semiauto battle rifle, I like the ACOGs. |
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They were used as far back as WWI (yes, the first one) for artillery. Army SF used the Armson OEG late in the Vietnam war. Etc etc etc
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So you don't have to bother clicking the link, here's the aimpoint Here's the eotech Here's the TR24R(the green vs red is the difference) There's nothing "special" regarding the basic construction of the accupoint vs. any other optic out there, and considering how long it's been out if it were a true 1x people would be all over it. They aren't, and it isn't. It's also why some companies don't even bother trying to call their scope a 1-whatever, because they can't actually get the 1. If you read up on focal length or even check trijicon's published exit pupil measurement(and understand how it's calculated, something easy enough to find on google), it's obvious that it isn't 1x. edit: btw, since you said you also have an eotech, you can test it yourself if you want. I'm not saying it isn't doable or fast, like I mentioned previously as long as it's not horrendous and the reticle is appropriate it should work. Can't believe I forgot about the armson. Looks similar to the crappy izon paintball oeg. Can't say I'm familiar with artillery sights, but I'm not surprised. Last edited by Merc1138; 06-13-2015 at 2:40 AM.. |
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So I've hit a dead end on deciding this. I like the NF reticle, but as far as I can tell, it is not FFP. For whatever reason I really don't like the reticles on the Vortex and Leupold options. Is there a NF FFP option I'm missing, or do I have to look elsewhere?
Edit: I'm also not opposed to getting something more for mid range that can attach a RDS to the mount. |
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I am interested in that 1-8x scope for a hunting rifle. |
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For me, I have yet to like any of the 1-X really for purposes outside of hunting. In the $2k+ price point, I have been underwhelmed with what I have seen as I have optical issues on both sides of the spectrum. There's distortion at 1x and there is parallax distortion at the higher magnifications as they frequently have a fixed parallex where the image is not lining up with the reticle on higher powers without the ability to easily adjust the parallax. Since I am not impressed by the 1-Xx at the price points, if you want a small scope but something like a fixed 4x isn't for you, I'd be tempted to look at some of the 3-12/3-15 FFPs like the Steiner, SWFA, and other options that provide superior optical quality for less money. It's simply that you will not get the 1x, which doesn't really exist to begin with. It's always a tough call as with optic as the ones we like in spec are no good in in real life and always come with a big sticker price. They are just hard to make. But, with the popularity, I am sure they'll get better over time. Quote:
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I'm trying to keep the weight down as that is one of the best features of a Scar. Also trying to keep it a "battle" rifle. Didn't want to go the ACOG route as I already have one on my DDM4. Although now it seems that might be the best bet. Any chance you know a lightweight mid range optic and a mount I can attach a RDS at 45 with?
ninja edit: I am asking because if the 1-8 is only really good for hunting, then it is useless to me because I don't hunt. |
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Not sure if you've decided but the Burris MTAC 1-4x is really a nice little scope. I have two, one is sitting on my SCAR 17. Glass is amazing for the price tag, very very clear. The only thing I don't care for is the ballistic reticle. Otherwise, I took it out to 600 yards yesterday with my SCAR. Burris also has one of the best warranty's in the business, it is a Forever Warranty similiar to the Vortex VIP, any issues at all and Burris will fix it.
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Plus, you can get a 4x TA01 in 308 for not that much money. I'd go with a TA01 as it always provides the right level of illumination. It's basically like ordinary black when you are in light, then it glows to a clear level for a fine reticle in the dark. With the extra fiber optic light source in the TA31s, the reticle can get a bit too bright in daylight to the point where you'll want to put a strip of electric tape over it. I think they are only like 800 bucks nowadays. If you really like Dimitri's reticle, maybe order one of his new ACSSs in the TA31. I think it's perfect for the task of a short range 308 rifle. There's always a balance between FOV and magnification. Some people find these 1-X scopes the solution, but you get rather poor optics for a lot of money, then you need to fritz around with dials. It ain't my flavor for an AR-10, just me personally. Conceptually, they are great, in practice, very disappointing for me. |
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Bushnell 1-4x with throw down lever and illuminated optic. I love mine and the reticle. Plus it survived a 4.5ft fall directly on it on concrete and didn't lose zero or crack, warp. It only scratched the paint..
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The 6x Acogs are HUGE btw.
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My Choice ACOG TA11
https://www.trijicon.com/na_en/produ...?pid=TA11H-308 Added a Larue mount http://www.laruetactical.com/larue-t...ount-qd-lt-100 Easy to remove to use Irons or go to other optics. Thinking some 25x+ power scope at some point too. Also may add AimPoint with Larue Mount or Add RMR on top of the ACOG Already added a Geisselle trigger, Atlas bi-pod with LaRue mount, Surefire 600 Fury with LaRue Mount and just bought Hindl extended carbon rail. Can you tell..? I like LaRue Products. I have even given some as gifts. Bummed on last order, No rub sent in box , but did get another hat. |
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Leopold VX3 is 8.5-25 but I feel like that 8.5 is to high to have as a minimum power for a scope, if that makes sense... The do make the VX6 in a 4-24 which is sweet. But they're big $$$. But worth it.
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speaking of 308 type battle rifles I used to have the Vortex 1-6 when it first came out. It was really nice, the glass was super but I wanted something that could utilize the 7.62 cartridge. So I sold the Vortex 1-6 and went with the Leupold mk6 3-18 and added an Aimpoint T1 at the 1 o'clock position. This gave me long range capability and with the flick of my wrist I could transition to the T1 for the 10 yard shots (yardage was a close up example).
I felt that with just the 1-6 that I couldnt transition from 6x to 1x quick enough because the magnification ring was stiff. Granted Im not using this rifle in combat but in the end I felt that to ME the Leupold 3-18x with the Aimpoint T1 was the perfect combo for me. I do plan to possibly get a Scar17 in the future if I dont pick up the new Desert Tech MDR and I want to try out the US Optics 1-8 or maybe the Leupold 1-8. I think the 1-8's that Leupold and USO offers are a really nice combo of close/far that 308 battle rifles can utilize.
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