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This is all I can find on the barrel.

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4GR 1?? 308 Win 6 95 1
The 1??? should be 10, 11, 12 (twist rate).

My guess would be a wilson or douglas blank.
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The 1??? should be 10, 11, 12 (twist rate).

My guess would be a wilson or douglas blank.
Either they didn't stamp it or it was struck too lightly to show.

If it was a blank does that mean its not factory installed?

Could this be a match grade barrel super match or?
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Whats up with these pistol grip M1As without bullet buttons?
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I have a M1A barrel question.
I recently bought a M1A off of GunBroker, The rifle was advertised as an M1A Standard, however when I was changing stocks, I noticed the barrel was way too thick to be a standard.
Can someone tell me what barrel this is?
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That's a GI type Heavy Contour barrel. There are no steps in the barrel under the handguard. An aftermarket (Krieger style) heavy barrel has a slight step at the op rod guide to fit a Krieger supplied guide. A medium contour barrel has a more significant step at the op rod guide to fit a standard guide. A GI contour barrel has a big step down at the end of the chamber, the a small ledge (step up then step down) at the op rod guide.

If it's actual GI contract, then it is quite a rare find. Fulton sells some NOS ones on their website:
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Whats up with these pistol grip M1As without bullet buttons?
Why do you ask?
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Why do you ask?
I wouldn't be surprised if some unsuspecting individuals thought "M1A, doesn't need a bullet button", then switched over to pistol grip without (or before) installing the bullet button.

Heads up out there - know the law!
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I wouldn't be surprised if some unsuspecting individuals thought "M1A, doesn't need a bullet button", then switched over to pistol grip without (or before) installing the bullet button.

Heads up out there - know the law!
The pistol gripped M14s pictured in this thread ... one is in Canada, the others are in Georgia... their laws require no such modification.
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Agreed, Fulton and Springfield receivers seem to be in the same league.

The forged Norinco and Poly Tech receivers are closer to original GI M14 dimensional specs than LRB as are the new bar stock receivers from Smith Enterprise.
If I were looking seriously for a seriously good M14, I'd hop on a Polytech or Norinco in a second v. anything from Springfield. They're actually made to mil-spec dimensions v. close-to-mil-spec-sometimes.

Installing a decent scope mount on a Springfield gun may sometimes be a little challenging.

Springfield would have been out of business long ago were it not for their lifetime warranty.


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The Equipment Exchange on AR15.com is a great place to shop for a pre-owned M14/M1A.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/f_7/134_M1A___M14.html
^This, plus they show up on the FAL Files' marketplace section from time to time.


OP, prices you posted are nutso, even considering you're in California

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If you look around there are decent deals to be had on used M1A's. I recently found a nearly unfired Standard with all GI parts for $1300 at a gun store, and a month later found a Scout model that was also nearly unfired with 600 rounds of new ammo, Sadlak scope mount and three magazines for $1800.

While I am sure that the LRB receivers are the greatest thing since sliced bread, I have never had a problem with any of the receivers made by SAI.

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If you look around there are decent deals to be had on used M1A's. I recently found a nearly unfired Standard with all GI parts for $1300 at a gun store, and a month later found a Scout model that was also nearly unfired with 600 rounds of new ammo, Sadlak scope mount and three magazines for $1800.

While I am sure that the LRB receivers are the greatest thing since sliced bread, I have never had a problem with any of the receivers made by SAI.
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Given the sheer number of Springfield M1A receivers that have been produced, their issues have been few.
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Either they didn't stamp it or it was struck too lightly to show.

If it was a blank does that mean its not factory installed?

Could this be a match grade barrel super match or?
IIRC they were made for the Marine rifle teams or somethingrather.

Also there are private smiths out there who buy blanks and contour them in that manner. It is short chambered for mounting on the rifle the gunsmith does final chambering.

It's a heavy profile so I'd be surprised if it didn't group better than your standard run of the mill USGI barrel. I guess you could consider it a 'match' barrel.
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Installing a decent scope mount on a Springfield gun may sometimes be a little challenging.
I had that problem.

The threaded hole in my receiver is not exactly where it should be by a little over a 1/16" of an inch. As a result mounts on it are canted downwards and if torqued to spec they are bent as well.

Eventually found a mount that works but I had to modify it and lap the rings to get everything lined up and working properly.

Definitely was a far cry from the 'just go buy a sadlak mount and put a scope on it and it'll be great!' that people parrot all over the internet.
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$900 Polytech... With a few extras.

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$900 Polytech... With a few extras.

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I ran a few different barreled actions in the Juggernaut bull pup conversion kit.
My review is posted HERE ... I no longer own a Rogue.


If I were going to have only one M14 it would be the 18" Bush/Scout/MK14.

I currently have 3; a 16.25" in a Blackfeather "RS", a standard in Walnut and a medium heavy national match in a SAGE EBR.




Croc's gunshop on Gunbroker is an excellent source for barreled actions or complete rifles.
I love that Blackfeather, I would like to see it with a conventional buttstock though to keep it featureless.
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I love that Blackfeather, I would like to see it with a conventional buttstock though to keep it featureless.
And the pistol grip does what?
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And the pistol grip does what?
If you have a pistol grip on a centerfire semiautomatic that accepts a magazine it magically turns into a evil assault rifle,
if it is in a "normal" buttstock configuration without the pistol grip I wouldn't need to put a maglock on it to make it legal again.
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If you have a pistol grip on a centerfire semiautomatic that accepts a magazine it magically turns into a evil assault rifle,
if it is in a "normal" buttstock configuration without the pistol grip I wouldn't need to put a maglock on it to make it legal again.
Yes I know. But it was originally said that a standard butt stock on the blackfeather would make it featureless. I assumed you were referring to a fixed stock attached to the end as opposed to taking the blackfeather stock off and addibg a standard usgi stock on the rifle.
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Yes I know. But it was originally said that a standard butt stock on the blackfeather would make it featureless. I assumed you were referring to a fixed stock attached to the end as opposed to taking the blackfeather stock off and addibg a standard usgi stock on the rifle.
My bad.

I was just wishing outloud they would make a regular gunstock type attachment to the Blackfeather where the pistol grip is attached to the Black feather chassis.

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Have you considered Polytech? Once in a while, they're on sale here in Calguns.
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Finally found a proper Leupold scope for my Scout Squad a few weeks ago.

The PTR is nice, but not as nice as the M1....
Is there any truth to the scout scope mounts getting hot enough to fry a scope?
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Is there any truth to the scout scope mounts getting hot enough to fry a scope?
Really?
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Really?
I have been reading that around the web and a gunsmith told me that this week.
Has anyone here had this actually happen?
I have a m1a standard in jail that I might put a scout mount on, already have the mount.
A possible solution would be to get 30mm scope rings for my 1" scope and shim the scope with a Heat resistant material to prevent heat transference to the scope.
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My bad.

I was just wishing outloud they would make a regular gunstock type attachment to the Blackfeather where the pistol grip is attached to the Black feather chassis.

I'd settle for a one piece aluminum "standard" rifle stock.
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Is there any truth to the scout scope mounts getting hot enough to fry a scope?
Typically you hear about cheap red dots getting fried. While I don't have any experience with cooked scopes, I can say that the mount can get hot enough to burn a finger.
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Never bring an M1 to an M14 fight.

The Garand was great in its day, but the M14/M1A has several improvements making it still suitable for the modern day battlefield. You'd need to spend the cost of another M1A just to modernize your Garand.
So...

The handful of Service Grade U.S. RIFLE CAL. .30 M1's I have that shoot surplus M2 ball at ~ 3 MOA consistently, out to 500 yards (inside an 18" circle), need improvements...?


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Is there any truth to the scout scope mounts getting hot enough to fry a scope?
Ha, I dont see how that would be possible
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If I were looking seriously for a seriously good M14, I'd hop on a Polytech or Norinco in a second v. anything from Springfield. They're actually made to mil-spec dimensions v. close-to-mil-spec-sometimes.

Installing a decent scope mount on a Springfield gun may sometimes be a little challenging.

Springfield would have been out of business long ago were it not for their lifetime warranty.




^This, plus they show up on the FAL Files' marketplace section from time to time.


OP, prices you posted are nutso, even considering you're in California

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I tried to put three different N.O.S. triggers in it and they would not fit.

The triggers all fit in my Fulton Armory receiver.

Also the roller on the Op rod fell apart after a few hundred rounds.

They did fix it all but it cost me beaucoup to send it back each time.

I really like the rifle when it works, but it was the most expensive rifle I have purchased and was the worst for Q.C. and reliability.

On the other hand, I built a Socom on a Fulton Armory receiver with all U.S.G.I. N.O.S. parts and it shoots like a dream and has been very reliable. I have run thousands of milsurp rounds through it without a hiccup.

Its a nice little battle rifle and I would like to take it on my first pig hunt some day.

The problems I have had with my Supermatch is what has made me hold of buying one of their 1911's.

Id like to put it in a JAE stock but I need to run a lot of trouble free rounds through it before I lay out that kind of expense. My hope is that my troubles are behind me now that I have a good receiver.
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Typically you hear about cheap red dots getting fried. While I don't have any experience with cooked scopes, I can say that the mount can get hot enough to burn a finger.
I decided to put the scout mount on my standard m1a and mount a red dot.
Hopefully it won't get too hot.

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I have never had a problem with any of the receivers made by SAI.
I did.

Plus the trigger group was out of spec and when they sent a replacement it wouldn't fit in the rifle.

Keepshooting.com trigger group 120bucks fit perfect though thank God.

I know that springfield makes tons of rifles and pistols and I'm sure lots of them work just fine. However it's all fun and games until you are the one banging your head against the wall because nothing is working properly.
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I decided to put the scout mount on my standard m1a and mount an Eotech.
Hopefully it won't get too hot.
The SHG from M14.ca has superior heat dispersion and it sits lower, so you do have options if your current configuration gives you problems.
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I know that springfield makes tons of rifles and pistols and I'm sure lots of them work just fine. However it's all fun and games until you are the one banging your head against the wall because nothing is working properly.
Been there... done that.
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The SHG from M14.ca has superior heat dispersion and it sits lower, so you do have options if your current configuration gives you problems.
Those look pretty sweet.

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I wonder, If I got some thin, heat resistant silicone and put it between the scout mount and the Eotech so there was no direct contact for heat to transfer between the two, would that significantly reduce the Eotech's heat exposure?
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I wonder, If I got some thin, heat resistant silicone and put it between the scout mount and the Eotech so there was no direct contact for heat to transfer between the two, would that significantly reduce the Eotech's heat exposure?
That may cause a stability problem.
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