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This bill needs to be stopped badly, just messed up on a lot of levels. |
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No kidding, a lot of hunters are FUDs!
"I don't care what laws they pass, my shotgun and rifle will be okay". Wrong, try again. Next year if they get away with this current ****, they are going to classify scoped bolt action rifles as "assault sniper rifles". After that shotguns that hold over two rounds will be labeled "assault shotguns". |
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I understand his sentiment. Our legislature practices incrementalism... a little bit at a time invested towards a very large, future goal.
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LE is not completely exempted from all points of the ammo bill. We don't have to sign for it, BUT we don't get to order it via internet anymore, either. We're all in the same boat on that issue.
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Obviously, any scoped sniper rifle can shoot right through a school, and shotguns can put hundreds of pellets in the air faster than a rifle. Keep your seat belt on, that's next on your legislature's agenda. -hanko
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The next target will be hunting rifles. They are military style sniper rifles.
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If I offended a particular group, my apology's, my opinion is solely based on interaction with types of gun owners and their interests. It just seems to me that many hunters that I have chatted with have come to believe that their firearms are innocuous compared others that have handguns or shoot various types of semi-auto rifles. I warned them their their scatter guns and bolt guns are the next round of targeted firearms by the legislative terrorists in Sacramento.
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Nothing except the inconvenience. I believe there will also be workarounds with re-shipping.
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Agreed. You'd think the members of Calguns have no sense of OpSec at all. Sure the anties are generally ignorant of such things, but that is to be expected of leftists. We should know better. Loose lips aid the enemy and help their research for future regulations.
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Unions to the rescue?!
SB 53 (DeLeon) Opposed By Coalition of Labor Leaders and Organizations as It Moves to Assembly Floor http://users.focalbeam.com/fs/distri.../daid/.preview |
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Unions are too often universally maligned because the abuse of some powerful ones. At the turn of the 20th century, mine owners routinely pulled out their mules when there was danger of a cave in and let men pull and push the carts instead: mules cost money upfront to replace while men's labor can be had for less and nothing down. Unions fixed that. And child labor too and more like employer healthcare for on-the-job injuries and disability for work-relaled injuries. Just because some unions now, flush with power, abuse it, is no reason to "throw the baby out with the bath water". Fix unions that abuse power but they still serve people.
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because I want to know, and I'm not accustomed to tip-toeing or cowering in fear because of real or perceived boogeymen....last I checked communism isn't the order of the day...try as they might..... |
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So some discretion is advised lest you play into their hands.
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Actually, their rule is the order of the day currently.
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Some of you guys really seriously think they don't think of these things and somehow his post is tipping them off to an earth shattering idea they never considered?
Easy with the drama, this is nothing near as awful as war, not even close.
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10 +1 in the chamber Last edited by glock_this; 09-04-2013 at 12:32 PM.. |
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Better to say tool little here than too much.
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Dude, it is a public forum. What do you really expect? Every sort of idea and topic possible is discussed here. Heck, you sit here and give some sort of funny "OpSec refresher" and you are just tipping your hands to your tactics by giving definitions in writing on the forums of how one should act. So really, if you followed your own advice, you would not even comment. And on this actual topic at hand, a 5 year old could figure out the workaround to this law. It didn't take someone posting it here as a major revelation.
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I was present at the Senate Public Safety meeting where this was debated and when it was brought up the response was "so what, let them buy it in Nevada just not here without a permit." Its not a secret. |
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Sorry. TOO LARGE of a percentage of hunters DID ignore and give in to apathy over any involvement with AB50, to my face and to the opposition itself, and that led to the first time a bolt-action rifle had been banned and declared as an "Assault Weapon" in the United States, requiring registration of the same.
I saw it first hand while trying to drum up support against AB50 at gun shows, dealers, and other gatherings, where way too often I hear "that's a crazy person's round, it should be banned" or "there is no need for such a destructive cartridge, it destroys the meat" or "you can't hunt anything in America with that round" more than once, from self-proclaimed "avid" hunters. Equally I saw the same with previous "Assault Weapon" bills and even recently concerning SB249 last year and anything BB related. if they didn't learn this from AB50, I have no idea WHAT will teach them to not turn their heads (albeit as the Cowboy Action guys did with the SB15 that eventually became the CA Roster - so long as they could carve out their little "piece" to not be affected, they didn't care one way or the other ). The Zumbos of the world really DO exist, unfortunately, and they are not persuaded or swayed until the knock is on THEIR door. To say ALL hunters have no concern is a bit too broad, but I am willing to bet a large percentage of traditional bolt-action only hunters have only a 1/2-concern at best. It will be all too unfortunate too, when they are then the next in line to have their Remington 700-DM or Steyr SSG-69 rifles banned (among others) because they use a detachable mag.
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Look use your discretion, but discretion is the better part of valor as we all know. Once people get to talking in forums, the boundaries are pushed and pushed until someone does say something of value. Why to you think Gene and others post so rarely? Me? I'd rather stay silent on my strategies and tactics than unwittingly encourage others to blurt out something of value one day and aid our enemies. That's all I am saying. You do as you wish. Ridicule the idea all you wish. I don't care.
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Yea, I'm sure it's no secret....my thought is, how much is the permit and how many times are you going to have to renew it...., then how many poor and minority folks are going to be able to afford such permits...
In essence you have to have a permit to legally be in possession of ammunition...It looks like the purposeful creation of a black market...one in which, like the pseudo confiscation of weapons law they have, you can be searched and seized for the possibility of having too much ammunition or ammunition in general...more fodder for the police and prison industries. More oppression of the poor and minority communities they claim to be on the side of.... |
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It's a transparent ply to restrict firearms by restricting the ammunition that makes them at all useful. We'll see if that passes muster in the courts.
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And what if an elderly person living hand to mouth in a bad neighborhood can't afford the permit and jacked up prices of ammo because of taxation...to defend themselves from intruders as we have seen in the news recently.... It goes far beyond taking away your rights, it's a very foul, dangerous and oppressive law.... |
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Yeah, and chocolate shouldn't make you fat, but guess what?
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It's from a film: Mission IMpossible III. I would have said beer, but I wanted to quote ;-) Maybe they needed it to be PG-13. It is meant to imply something which we don't like but it inevitable.
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What I've read in the verbage so far is up to $50 for original submission (including prints), then $14 for each 2-year renewal.
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And why do they want your prints? They already have mine (as veteran—if they can find them). But I wouldn't give my DNA voluntarily—evidence can be abused and implicate innocent people. Better not let stray sued brass out of your site which might implicate you if reloaded.
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It won't stop crime, it won't stop buying of ammo. And it won't stop crime from buying ammo. In fact, I bet 10-to-1 you will see an INCREASE in the amount of ammo CA people buy (again, all outside of CA) and increase how much they stock-pile, merely because when they do, they will do it in high-volume spending to tide them over until the next need for ammo, or so they don't have to make any little purchases in CA. I know I will. AS it is now I already buy most of my ammo from sources OUTSIDE of CA. Ban my internet puchasing ability, I'll simply buy it all in gobs a few trips to NV or AZ every few months. Regulate ammo purchasing, and I'll be buying NONE in CA - that's one further less trip to buy ammo that I would also spend, say buying gear, optics, cases, gun leaning materials, grips, stocks, parts, whatever at the store where I would have been inclined to buy ammo. What happens then? Guys with surplus sell off their ammo to "Joe" down the street anyway, who they think is a good neighbor; but little do they know he is a convicted violent felon. More to go around will lead to a "black market" of sorts and an increase in burglaries/theft - where one never existed. And it will entice an increase in criminals to particularly seek out the homes of suspected gun-owners and shooting-sports enthusiasts of whom they suspect will also have large reserves of ammo DUE to such ridiculous purchase-control laws. Unintended consequences will be rampant with this one.
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Last edited by The Gleam; 09-04-2013 at 2:34 PM.. |
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You correct about workarounds and unintended consequences, but you are wrong about the above. They *want* to hurt certain businesses by making it very expensive and difficult to stay in business: firearms and ammunitions retailers. the fewer they are, the harder it is for us to buy firearms and ammunition and the more expensive it will be. All part of their plan.
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So it's close to $100.00 just to get that initial permit 50 for the permit 38 for the prints....plus ammo....why would anyone do that....? |
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Few would today...but...I am sure you can think of how they might force it on us with subsequent legislation without straining yourself.
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Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought.
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