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My noob mistake! Help me fix OAL problem.
I'm new a reloading and I made a noob mistake that cost me probably about 600 rounds of 9mm. Here goes.
My first loads were 115gr plated bullets. I got it setup and fired 150 problem free rounds so I proceeded to finish the rest. When I ran out of plated bullets I switched to 125 gr lead bullets. I only changed the powder charge but did not realize that I would have to adjust the OAL of the round! DUMB NOOB! I found out it was a problem when I dropped a round in the chamber to see how well it sits and guess what, it is too damn long! Err.... Now that I'm loading .45 ACP I have several different test loads with different OAL to see which ones work. I guess you learn from you mistakes. Last edited by JackRydden224; 01-07-2013 at 10:31 AM.. |
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I think everyone does stuff like that when they first start. I remember loading 500 .357 magnum rounds with plated bullets using data for jacketed bullets.... I realized my mistake before i got a chance to shoot any of them and had to pull them all. I got tired of pulling bullets about 60 rounds into it and to this day there sits a box under my bench with 400+ rounds of useless .357 magnum rounds. Ill pull the rest of them some day, its just WAY on the bottom of the priorities list.
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Uhhm... from one noob to another, why can't you just re-seat them a little deeper?
Or are they crimped?
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No no he is better off dumping those rounds off on me for proper disposal. Don't worry I will be a nice guy and not even charge you for having to pull all those bullets and to dump all that powder and to reassemble them with my spec load for my girlfriend to shoot in her pistol.
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I guess it will depend on how much crimp was applied. If the crimp was just enough to take the bell out then I would try re-seating a few to see how it goes. I'm pretty sure you'll still have shavings, but it might not be much and you could use them for plinking.
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If you have the proper crimp now, reseating the bullet deeper shouldn't shave anything, especially if they are plated. I've never had good luck trying to pull either lead or plated bullets with a collet type puller. If you had put a roll crimp on those bullets, then you might have a problem.
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Don't ask me how I know. But, with a collet type bullet puller in a single stage press, pulling 600 rounds apart isn't too bad. Not like trying to use an impact puller.......
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If you did the proper "removing the bell" (taper crimp) you should be able to seat the lead bullets deeper with little to no shaving. |
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From reading this thread I see that I'm not the only one who has made this mistake
I'll pop a round in to re-seat it and see what happens. Carbides are tough, the worst thing that happens is that I lose the round that was already unshootable. |
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You dont need to pull the bullet UNLESS you crimped it so tight you shave lead when you reseat. Just adjust the die and run them through again. Be thankful for all that extra arm excercise you'll be getting!
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Dare I say that this is why new reloaders should not practice on a progressive until they get some good habbits down?
Also, as long as the minimum oal is met I see no real issues. but of course if it does not fit then yeah, too long, but if you never adjusted the oal why would it have gotten longer?
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What is the current COAL of the bullets that "don't work"?
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Check this first, also measure your case mouth diamiter with the lead bulllets it might be bigger and not tapering down far enough
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By the way, I've learned that I am not going to reload more .45 ACP until I get my 1911 out of jail and confirm the rounds fit properly.... |
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Before you do anything, take one of the loaded rounds and try seating the bullet to the proper depth. If you're going to shave lead, it will be obvious. If you shave enough that the cartridges will not chamber properly, you've got a lot of bullets to pull.
If you do shave a little lead but not enough to prevent chambering, take 10 of them to the range and shoot them. If your group is not noticeably different than your other rounds (evaluate group size not placement) then repeat the process on the rest of them. You may have a couple that shave too much, oh well. That's better than pulling 400 rounds.
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Before you do anything, take one of the loaded rounds and try seating the bullet to the proper depth. If you're going to shave lead, it will be obvious. If you shave enough that the cartridges will not chamber properly, you've got a lot of bullets to pull.
If you do shave a little lead but not enough to prevent chambering, take 10 of them to the range and shoot them. If your group is not noticeably different than your other rounds (evaluate group size not placement) then repeat the process on the rest of them. You may have a couple that shave too much, oh well. That's better than pulling 400 rounds.
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Don't feel too bad, it happens. I just smashed about 20 Hornady 60 grain hollow points trying to figure out the proper crimp.
Paid a few bucks for that lesson, it happens.
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The only thing that I can think of is that maybe the ogive or shape of the noce allowed it to sit at a different position in the seating die and as a result did not get pushed down as far. But that is a technical reason and I do not know how I manged to say that this late at night... heh... Switched from round nose to truncated cone perhaps? When I get a progressinve I plan to prolly teast/measure my first 10 rounds when I change powders or bullets as I figure that that should be a good thing to do to minimize jacked up loads. I also agree that pulling that many bullets takes the fun out of reloading. Too bad they were not fmj...
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I'm gonna take some pictures and do some measuring when I get home today. |
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I have a turret press and I measure the first 2-3 rounds and then once every 30 rounds or so of every session, is that considered OCD? I've only reloaded 9mm and just starting on .40.
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Okay here are the measurements done with a digital caliper and a picture
Bullet length: Plated: 0.548 inches Lead: 0.618 inches COAL: Plated: 1.145 inches Lead: 1.136 inches Attachment 191536 Attachment 191540 Attachment 191541 Last edited by JackRydden224; 03-09-2022 at 12:10 PM.. |
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Yes, that. |
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^Yes the bullet is not seated deep enough. The ogive (widest part of the nose) is preventing you from chambering the round. Your loading manual should give you a OAL for that style of bullet.
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I read this in a manual and what I do is to back the crimp way out of my die and seat my bullet, see how it seats in my barrel, adjust the seating nob ¼ turn, check fit to my barrel and keep repeating that cycle until the cartridge seats properly.
Make sure the ammo fits in my magazine and feeds with that OAL Once I get the OAL that works with that bullet in my barrel I back the seating nob way out, put the round in the shell holder and run the ram up, and then adjust the die for crimp. Once I get the crimp I want, then I bring the seating nob down to touch the top of the bullet. Now my die is setup for my gun with that bullet
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I read this in a manual and what I do is to back the crimp way out of my die and seat my bullet, see how it seats in my barrel, adjust the seating nob ¼ turn, check fit to my barrel and keep repeating that cycle until the cartridge seats properly.
Make sure the ammo fits in my magazine and feeds with that OAL Once I get the OAL that works with that bullet in my barrel I back the seating nob way out, put the round in the shell holder and run the ram up, and then adjust the die for crimp. Once I get the crimp I want, then I bring the seating nob down to touch the top of the bullet. Now my die is setup for my gun with that bullet
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I've done that with about 300 rounds of .223. We all make mistakes at some point. Best and quickest way to fix it is to get a bullet puller die.
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I've done that with about 300 rounds of .223. We all make mistakes at some point. Best and quickest way to fix it is to get a bullet puller die.
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Been there done that. I know it doesn't makem fit your chamber to hear that, but that is how we all make learn to double and triple check our work. I once loaded 300 6.8 spc rounds that weren't resized properly. Manually taking those apart learned me a valuable lesson in starting from scratch every time you change calibers. Good luck with your learning curve. It's very rewarding when you get it right.
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Boring out your barrel is not recomended...
Write it off as experience lesson.
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