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Old 09-06-2013, 5:05 PM
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That agriculture checkpoint on the 10 will probably be turned into an ammunition checkpoint.
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That agriculture checkpoint on the 10 will probably be turned into an ammunition checkpoint.
Just drive through on Sunday, they are closed.
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I can see it coming... "US Citizens need a visa to CA. All others can walk in"
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So, except 47 all others are "Assembly - Third reading." I've also looked at "how things work" link, but still not sure what this means in the context of probability of these surviving/dying ... Thanks.
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So, except 47 all others are "Assembly - Third reading." I've also looked at "how things work" link, but still not sure what this means in the context of probability of these surviving/dying ... Thanks.
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Third reading[edit source | editbeta]

A third reading is the stage of a legislative process in which a bill is read with all amendments and given final approval by a legislative body. In legislatures whose procedures are based on those of the Westminster system, the third reading occurs after the bill has been amended by committee and considered for amendment at report stage.
In bicameral legislatures, if the bill passes the third reading, it is then sent to the other chamber of parliament to start the process again at first reading in that chamber. Once the bill has passed third reading in both chambers, it is sent on for promulgation, such as Royal Assent in the Westminster system or signing by the president or governor in the U.S. model. In a unicameral legislature, after passing third reading in the sole chamber, the bill goes on directly for promulgation.
In the United States Senate, after the third reading has been ordered, there is still a vote on final passage.
In Ireland, the third reading is referred to as the "Report Final Stage". These are normally taken together. The question at final stage is "that the bill do now pass", as for the third reading in some other Westminster systems. When it passes one house, it is sent to the second house and enters at Second Stage. After both houses have passed the bill, it is sent to the President of Ireland to be signed into law. If there is a question regarding the constitutionality of the bill, the president may refer it to the Supreme Court of Ireland but otherwise may not withhold assent.
So it sounds like after the third reading they vote to pass or not pass.

My predictions is they'll all pass. I doubt they'll all get signed by Brown though.
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So how is SB 396 even legal? Seems like it is illegal taking to me and will not stand up in court.
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So how is SB 396 even legal? Seems like it is illegal taking to me and will not stand up in court.
the point is not that it's legal it's attempting set an example that they can do what ever they want with no repercussions in losing their seats and also to one up NY of course.

legality means nothing to these people only control.
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Ummmm... why is that still loaded?

Imbeciles probably don't even know how to disassemble it.


Man, only if Feinstein or Steinburg picked that up and swept the reporters with it.
That is what I was thinking. They probably didn't know how to get the conversion cylinder out to unload it. I don't see a zip tie or anything around the hammer, either. A trigger lock at least would have been prudent in the interest of safety.
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I went to Home Depot recently to buy a piece of plywood and a can of paint for project. I found out that CA now charges a "fee" on paint and lumber. This is in addition to the state tax they already collect. So even if they don't make any money and ammo sales/permits they will just find more ways to gouge us all with even more fees and taxes.
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I went to Home Depot recently to buy a piece of plywood and a can of paint for project. I found out that CA now charges a "fee" on paint and lumber. This is in addition to the state tax they already collect. So even if they don't make any money and ammo sales/permits they will just find more ways to gouge us all with even more fees and taxes.
that is the DemoKrat mantra tax and tax and then fees and more fees.
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Don't you know the tax is taxable too!
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So how is SB 396 even legal? Seems like it is illegal taking to me and will not stand up in court.
By their understanding it does not constitute illegal taking for the following reasons:-

(1) An illegal taking is taking without just compensation.
(2) Owners of > 10 rounds magazines have the opportunity to be "justly compensated" should they seek such compensation, by either:-
  • Selling the magazines to an out of state resident before the date after th passage of the law but before the date they become illegal.
  • Sell the magazine to a license firearms dealer in California after the date the law is passed but before the date they become illegal.
If they choose to destroy the magazines or surrender them to law enforcement, it is a "voluntary" act of not seeking compensation by the aforementioned means.
An illegal taking challenge would only be valid if the law came into effect and was retroactive without a grace period for out of state liquidation orr in state sale to a licensed dealer.

I am not saying I agree with the above, just that this is how the justify it as not being against the takings clause.
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Guys, it really a bad idea to continue to discuss these bills in detail before they pass the legislature. I don't know why some of you don't understand this.
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That agriculture checkpoint on the 10 will probably be turned into an ammunition checkpoint.
There is no ****ing way they can control what you can or cannot go out of state to purchase. Further more they are not going to set up a boarder style check point on every entrance to California with X-ray machines, dogs, lots of officers, all the **** they have at the US/Mexico boarder.

At least if the ammo law passes I'll have a excuse to go to Vegas and get some penny hoes....













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Old 09-08-2013, 9:13 AM
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These examples of taking and taxing are a clear sign that we are living in a purely socialist state where the economic model is so irreparably broken, that it mandates stealing from the only productive members in society in order to prop up its untenable social policies.

As a result, an economic and social reckoning will come in this state. The engine can't run without gas, and we're on fumes right now.
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These examples of taking and taxing are a clear sign that we are living in a purely socialist state where the economic model is so irreparably broken, that it mandates stealing from the only productive members in society in order to prop up its untenable social policies.

As a result, an economic and social reckoning will come in this state. The engine can't run without gas, and we're on fumes right now.
Ha, there are plenty of tax payer pockets to pick, they are not going anywhere, besides, they love the weather. I even hear that said right here on this site.
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Old 09-08-2013, 12:17 PM
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Well, I'm taking 50 jobs with me to Texas in early 2015. I'd rather have my liberty with a less attractive climate than the other way around.
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All you people loudly stating how you are going to get around the potential ammo bill are just making sure that our Legislature will address each issue you raise. It is stated over and over that you should not give them any help, but for some reason certain posters just have to keep throwing gasoline on the fire.

State services and operations cost money to run. If additional sources of income can be found that will offset the cost that just allows them to add more people. If there is a byproduct of the process whereby citizens are deprived of their right to own firearms, that is just frosting on the cake.

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Guys, it really a bad idea to continue to discuss these bills in detail before they pass the legislature. I don't know why some of you don't understand this.
Last day to amends the bills has passed. People want to be informed so they can make the right preperations.
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Guys, it really a bad idea to continue to discuss these bills in detail before they pass the legislature. I don't know why some of you don't understand this.
Remember that Democrats have a super majority in both assembly and senate. Governor is also Democrat. Therefore the probability of these passing are very high.
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Its over in the state legislature. All the Billa will pass. Our only hope now is to get an injunction from a high level conservative judge on both the state and federal level. Scary times, citizens.
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If you look at national poll numbers, people are disgusted with the liberal agenda in nearly every category of leadership:
Economy
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Why, with all of our problems, are these morons focusing on the inert subject of gun control?
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Remember that Democrats have a super majority in both assembly and senate. Governor is also Democrat. Therefore the probability of these passing are very high.
correct me if I'm wrong I believe they lost that supermajority in the Senate this year.

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Why, with all of our problems, are these morons focusing on the inert subject of gun control?
it's all about CONTROL that's why. they want to let us know who really is in charge and it's not the people.
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The worst ones passed. The rest don't matter in context. This state is a lost cause.
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So how is SB 396 even legal? Seems like it is illegal taking to me and will not stand up in court.
OK, this has been covered many times, but here's the reasoning...

It is not an illegal taking because the owner of high capacity magazines will have the opportunity and the time to:-
  • Remove the magazines from the borders of California (without actually relinquishing ownership)
  • Sell the magazines to any individual outside California for fair market value.
  • Sell the magazine to a licensed dealer within California for fair market value.
  • Destroy them
  • Surrender them to local law enforcement for confiscation and destruction
Since time and deference is afforded for the export and in-state sale at whatever the market price is, this qualifies as fair compensation. The government can seize property or deny its ownership or usage, if fair compensation is afforded. Eg. the government cannot seize your house and give you nothing. It cannot seize your house and give you $1 (because it is not the fair market value). It can however seize your house and pay you the appraised value. The government cannot seize your car and give you nothing. It cannot seize your and give you $50. It can however ban your type of car and demand that you sell it out of state or to an in-state dealer for the purpose of export.

Generally speaking most federal and state laws include a grand fathering provision not because it wouldn't be constitutional otherwise, but because to do otherwise would be viewed negatively in the eyes of public opinion as government bullying or harshness and hurts goodwill from the affect people or their supports. In this particular case, they are not interested in the goodwill or support from gun owners. And, yes, they have every intent on bullying and making the harshest laws against us. We are, the enemy.

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correct me if I'm wrong I believe they lost that supermajority in the Senate this year.

it's all about CONTROL that's why. they want to let us know who really is in charge and it's not the people.
Wrong, they still have it. There are 40 seats in the State Senate. With the election of Andy Vidak (R) democrats have 27 seats to 12 Republicans, with one vacant. Regardless of who fills the vacant seat, 27 is a super majority. But, they are ONE seat from losing it. The Republicans will need to capture the vacant seat and flip ONE democrat held seat.

If Brown vetoes though, they'll need to be completely united on a party line vote to overwrite. If just one of the 27 democrats abstain or vote no on an overwrite. They cannot overwrite the Veto. We can count on all 12 Republican votes to be nays.

Also, they don't have 54 votes in the 80-seat State Assembly. Most of these bills passed with 42~44 votes. Sure, there are a bunch of democrats who were MIA from the vote -- and would have voted yes if the vote were even close -- but it is unlikely they can muster 54 votes to overwrite their own party's governor. For what it's worth, not all Democratic votes were yeses in the passage of these bills. There were 2~3 nays out of their ranks.

Anyway, for what it is worth a Brown Veto has a decent chance of sticking.

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No cares about the legal hair splitting of what government justified taking is it isn't. We all know its morally reprehensible that we have been made into criminals subject to unconstitutional property seizures. Its wrong no matter what excuse they propagate. Its the Nuremberg Laws of our times.
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Once I got over the initial shock at the scope of all these bills, this is my second thought. They are going to pretty much kill gun business in this state, at least anything ebr or the like related, which is pretty much everything these days.
Thats the long term plan here in California. Make it so so difficult and expensive to the consumer that we will all decide to give up the hobby. Its got nothing to do with crime or safety, its just one state participating in the disarmament of all US citizens. Just ask Australia.
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Very sad how there is so little debate in California media on this. For the most part it is either silent, or tacitly endorsing them. Highly frustrating the lack of critical thinking on civil rights, that people are so willing to put blindfolds on and just jump into the abyss.
Thats because the media is run by liberals and democrats. This is to be expected. Have you noticed the over whelming amount of media coverage EVERY TIME there is something involving a gun? All of this violent new coverage is all in support of gun control. Making sure that low informed, weak minded Americans are downed in anti-gun media coverage. We will all loose here in this state, I predict that everything will pass and be signed into law. Pretty soon I wont be able to trap shoot on some nice weekend day.
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That agriculture checkpoint on the 10 will probably be turned into an ammunition checkpoint.
OMG! You're probably right on that. Get ready for ammo check points, like those un-constitutional DUI check points.
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Who is going to enforce these laws, the brown shirts?
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Remember that Democrats have a super majority in both assembly and senate. Governor is also Democrat. Therefore the probability of these passing are very high.
They no longer have a super majority--Republican Vidac won this summer in the south San Joaquin valley. Remember?
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Have our voices heard to gov brown. He is our only hope as of now.
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Jerry Brown as our only hope. That is one scary ****ing statement.
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Jerry Brown as our only hope. That is one scary ****ing statement.
sure is. going to be sending lots of letters and calling his office everyday from here until Oct.13 or he vetoes or signs all the laws.
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Infringe: definition


in·fringe [ in frĂ*nj ]Infringe: definition

1.disobey or disregard something: to fail to obey a law or regulation or observe the terms of an agreement
2. encroach on somebody's rights or property: to take over land, rights, privileges, or activities that belong to somebody else, especially in a minor or gradual way

I understand that posting the actual definition is a stretch but can't all of these pending laws be shown to violate our second amendment rights?
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This particular brand of high potency liberal doesn't care in the least about the constitutional legality of their rabid policies. We are scheduled for political genicide.
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Stupid question: all bolt action rifles with detachable mags are NOT effected by SB374?
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OMG! You're probably right on that. Get ready for ammo check points, like those un-constitutional DUI check points.
There won't be. And, even if there is it won't matter.

It is not illegal to for Californians to buy Ammo in another state. It is also not illegal to bring ammo you already own from another state into California. The Ammo purchase license is not required for owning or using ammo. It is only required for purchasing ammo inside the state of California. The reporting requirement is one imposed on the store owner -- the seller -- and only if he is operating in California.

Therefor, if you are "caught" with 10,000 rounds in you trunk driving from Arizona to LA, and no Ammo purchase License, you haven't broken any law.

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The actual right thing to do is, stand up, call your assembly people, Governor Brown, get local grassroots action happening, in places we can be seen in person, not the internet, we all need to stand up for what we believe in!
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