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California 2nd Amend. Political Discussion & Activism Discuss gun rights activism and 2A related political topics here. All advice given is NOT legal counsel. |
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doubt it.
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So, except 47 all others are "Assembly - Third reading." I've also looked at "how things work" link, but still not sure what this means in the context of probability of these surviving/dying ... Thanks.
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My predictions is they'll all pass. I doubt they'll all get signed by Brown though.
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Watch & Pray Last edited by Dump1567; 09-07-2013 at 6:39 AM.. |
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legality means nothing to these people only control.
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http://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php Thank your neighbor and fellow gun owners for passing Prop 63. For that gun control is a winning legislative agenda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6Dj8tdSC1A contact the governor https://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php In Memory of Spc Torres May 5th 2006 al-Hillah, Iraq. I will miss you my friend. NRA Life Member. |
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That is what I was thinking. They probably didn't know how to get the conversion cylinder out to unload it. I don't see a zip tie or anything around the hammer, either. A trigger lock at least would have been prudent in the interest of safety.
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I went to Home Depot recently to buy a piece of plywood and a can of paint for project. I found out that CA now charges a "fee" on paint and lumber. This is in addition to the state tax they already collect. So even if they don't make any money and ammo sales/permits they will just find more ways to gouge us all with even more fees and taxes.
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http://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php Thank your neighbor and fellow gun owners for passing Prop 63. For that gun control is a winning legislative agenda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6Dj8tdSC1A contact the governor https://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php In Memory of Spc Torres May 5th 2006 al-Hillah, Iraq. I will miss you my friend. NRA Life Member. |
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(1) An illegal taking is taking without just compensation. (2) Owners of > 10 rounds magazines have the opportunity to be "justly compensated" should they seek such compensation, by either:-
An illegal taking challenge would only be valid if the law came into effect and was retroactive without a grace period for out of state liquidation orr in state sale to a licensed dealer. I am not saying I agree with the above, just that this is how the justify it as not being against the takings clause. |
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At least if the ammo law passes I'll have a excuse to go to Vegas and get some penny hoes.... Kidding... |
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These examples of taking and taxing are a clear sign that we are living in a purely socialist state where the economic model is so irreparably broken, that it mandates stealing from the only productive members in society in order to prop up its untenable social policies.
As a result, an economic and social reckoning will come in this state. The engine can't run without gas, and we're on fumes right now. |
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All you people loudly stating how you are going to get around the potential ammo bill are just making sure that our Legislature will address each issue you raise. It is stated over and over that you should not give them any help, but for some reason certain posters just have to keep throwing gasoline on the fire.
State services and operations cost money to run. If additional sources of income can be found that will offset the cost that just allows them to add more people. If there is a byproduct of the process whereby citizens are deprived of their right to own firearms, that is just frosting on the cake. I'm not going to be more descriptive. |
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Last day to amends the bills has passed. People want to be informed so they can make the right preperations.
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Remember that Democrats have a super majority in both assembly and senate. Governor is also Democrat. Therefore the probability of these passing are very high.
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Its over in the state legislature. All the Billa will pass. Our only hope now is to get an injunction from a high level conservative judge on both the state and federal level. Scary times, citizens.
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If you look at national poll numbers, people are disgusted with the liberal agenda in nearly every category of leadership:
Economy Foreign Policy Domestic Policy Why, with all of our problems, are these morons focusing on the inert subject of gun control? |
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it's all about CONTROL that's why. they want to let us know who really is in charge and it's not the people.
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http://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php Thank your neighbor and fellow gun owners for passing Prop 63. For that gun control is a winning legislative agenda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6Dj8tdSC1A contact the governor https://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php In Memory of Spc Torres May 5th 2006 al-Hillah, Iraq. I will miss you my friend. NRA Life Member. |
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It is not an illegal taking because the owner of high capacity magazines will have the opportunity and the time to:-
Generally speaking most federal and state laws include a grand fathering provision not because it wouldn't be constitutional otherwise, but because to do otherwise would be viewed negatively in the eyes of public opinion as government bullying or harshness and hurts goodwill from the affect people or their supports. In this particular case, they are not interested in the goodwill or support from gun owners. And, yes, they have every intent on bullying and making the harshest laws against us. We are, the enemy. Last edited by dwightlooi; 09-10-2013 at 5:20 PM.. |
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If Brown vetoes though, they'll need to be completely united on a party line vote to overwrite. If just one of the 27 democrats abstain or vote no on an overwrite. They cannot overwrite the Veto. We can count on all 12 Republican votes to be nays. Also, they don't have 54 votes in the 80-seat State Assembly. Most of these bills passed with 42~44 votes. Sure, there are a bunch of democrats who were MIA from the vote -- and would have voted yes if the vote were even close -- but it is unlikely they can muster 54 votes to overwrite their own party's governor. For what it's worth, not all Democratic votes were yeses in the passage of these bills. There were 2~3 nays out of their ranks. Anyway, for what it is worth a Brown Veto has a decent chance of sticking. Last edited by dwightlooi; 09-10-2013 at 5:40 PM.. |
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No cares about the legal hair splitting of what government justified taking is it isn't. We all know its morally reprehensible that we have been made into criminals subject to unconstitutional property seizures. Its wrong no matter what excuse they propagate. Its the Nuremberg Laws of our times.
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Thats the long term plan here in California. Make it so so difficult and expensive to the consumer that we will all decide to give up the hobby. Its got nothing to do with crime or safety, its just one state participating in the disarmament of all US citizens. Just ask Australia.
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OMG! You're probably right on that. Get ready for ammo check points, like those un-constitutional DUI check points.
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They no longer have a super majority--Republican Vidac won this summer in the south San Joaquin valley. Remember?
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sure is. going to be sending lots of letters and calling his office everyday from here until Oct.13 or he vetoes or signs all the laws.
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http://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php Thank your neighbor and fellow gun owners for passing Prop 63. For that gun control is a winning legislative agenda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6Dj8tdSC1A contact the governor https://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php In Memory of Spc Torres May 5th 2006 al-Hillah, Iraq. I will miss you my friend. NRA Life Member. |
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Infringe: definition
in·fringe [ in frĂ*nj ]Infringe: definition 1.disobey or disregard something: to fail to obey a law or regulation or observe the terms of an agreement 2. encroach on somebody's rights or property: to take over land, rights, privileges, or activities that belong to somebody else, especially in a minor or gradual way I understand that posting the actual definition is a stretch but can't all of these pending laws be shown to violate our second amendment rights?
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It is not illegal to for Californians to buy Ammo in another state. It is also not illegal to bring ammo you already own from another state into California. The Ammo purchase license is not required for owning or using ammo. It is only required for purchasing ammo inside the state of California. The reporting requirement is one imposed on the store owner -- the seller -- and only if he is operating in California. Therefor, if you are "caught" with 10,000 rounds in you trunk driving from Arizona to LA, and no Ammo purchase License, you haven't broken any law. Last edited by dwightlooi; 09-11-2013 at 3:41 PM.. |
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The actual right thing to do is, stand up, call your assembly people, Governor Brown, get local grassroots action happening, in places we can be seen in person, not the internet, we all need to stand up for what we believe in!
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