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Old 11-14-2017, 2:27 PM
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So. I've been a lurker here for about three weeks.... and I've finally got a question(s)

If I buy/assemble a AR15 with a hand grip and a detachable magazine... and plan to keep my firearm in California, I'd basically have three options.

1. Comply and register it as an assault weapon.
2. Retrofit my firearm with a bullet button that requires disassembling the firearm action, therefore disqualifying the gun as an assault weapon.
3. Retrofit my firearm to a featureless build option that will ensure that my semiautomatic firearm is not an assault weapon.

And by Choosing option #1 or 2... I'll have until January 1, 2018 deadline to register it as an "Assault Weapon".

So.. pros and cons...

It seems to me that most folks are more worried about the Govt. requiring the registration more that anything else. And I don't want to get into the "political ramifications" of registration..
but lets just say I think that the NRA is missing the boat here.. but hey... they have their reasons... Nuff Said!

So...
By choosing 1.... and having to register my weapon as an assault weapon the cons as I se them are:

1. If I die first, my heir(s) will have just 90 days to send it out of the state of California, render it inoperable forever or surrender it for law enforcement destruction.
2. I cannot transfer it to anyone before I die—not even a family member.
3. I cannot lend it to anyone... full stop.
4. If I need a gunsmith.. I'd have to find one who holds an assault weapon permit. Otherwise, I'd have to remain with your gun during repairs or adjustments.
5. If I get tired of all the restrictions and want to sell it, I'd be limited to negotiating with licensed gun dealer with DOJ permits allowing them to buy assault weapons or lawfully transporting the assault weapon—unloaded in a locked hard case—out of California.

Now... With respect to #4 Since the only part of the weapon is the lower.. if the repair was to say.. the upper.. I'm thinking that I can I detach it from "The gun" ie lower and have that worked on separately

Secondly.. with respect to #1 #2 and #5 If I did want to sell... AS I interpret the law only the lower, (because of the reg numbers) is the "gun". therefore "Assault weapon" that part could not be transferred.. sold etc.... But I could sell everything else.. right?


Without litigating the "fairness", "rationality" inconvenience of the CA state requirements.. what am I missing.. cuz I'm thinking I'd get to have the gun I want.. with the features I want and .. for me at least the inconvenience would be that I could
not sell my lower when I die


I know I'm possibly splitting hairs.... and glossing over a whole bunch..

Thanks in advance..

Aaron
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Old 11-14-2017, 2:47 PM
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If you didnt own it before the end of last year, you're already too late for registration.
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Old 11-14-2017, 2:48 PM
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And bullet button no longer keeps you legal.

Your options now are fixed magazines or featureless.
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Old 11-14-2017, 2:50 PM
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Saxman summed it up

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Old 11-14-2017, 2:54 PM
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You only have two options for AR type centerfire rifles in California now. Both of them are to purchase it in either a CA compliant configuration, or to build a lower in a CA compliant configuration.

The registration is for rifles legally purchased between the last AW registration period in 2000? and before 2017 that had a magazine lock that required the use of a tool to remove the magazine.

Featureless or a magazine that requires the disassembly of the action to remove are the only options for you now.
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Old 11-14-2017, 2:55 PM
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If you didnt own it before the end of last year, you're already too late for registration.

Oh really... I kind of expected that to be the case
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And bullet button no longer keeps you legal.
Your options now are fixed magazines or featureles
Yeah I knew that.. some of my text was/is copy and paste from a couple of different sources...


Late edit for Joe_Gman...
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Featureless or a magazine that requires the disassembly of the action to remove are the only options for you now
So.. a weapon with:
1. Fixed Mag.. which requires me to open the upper from the lower to remove the mag
2. Non collapsible stock
3. No vertical front grip
4. No grenade launcher lol never knew that was an option

Is legal... as of now...

Hmm... This is going to be a range queen anyway.. so using a "MagLock" isnt going to cramp my style anyway...

Thanks folks!

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One last thing, if it were possible for you to have a Registered Assault Weapon is the transportation requirements. RAWs must be kept in locked containers at all times of transport, and then can only be transported directly to and directly from specified locations (range; gunsmith, etc.).
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One last thing, if it were possible for you to have a Registered Assault Weapon is the transportation requirements. RAWs must be kept in locked containers at all times of transport, and then can only be transported directly to and directly from specified locations (range; gunsmith, etc.).
Yep. And welcome to the Byzantine maze of insanity that constitutes California long gun regs, OP.
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Your 11months late for registering as aw. featureless or fixed mag.
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You only have two options for AR type centerfire rifles in California now.

There is one other option. It starts at the kalifornia border with free America. Cross over. Don’t look back.
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Late edit for Joe_Gman...


So.. a weapon with:
1. Fixed Mag.. which requires me to open the upper from the lower to remove the mag
2. Non collapsible stock
3. No vertical front grip
4. No grenade launcher lol never knew that was an option

Is legal... as of now...

Hmm... This is going to be a range queen anyway.. so using a "MagLock" isnt going to cramp my style anyway...

Thanks folks!
No, if you have a fixed mag, then you can have any feature installed.
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Old 11-14-2017, 6:10 PM
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Thanks all!
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There is another option. But most of these Cal Gunners aren't going to want to talk about it.
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Old 11-15-2017, 6:10 AM
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There is another option. But most of these Cal Gunners aren't going to want to talk about it.
Hahaha.. so Im not gonna ask!

But I will ask this... how is all this enforced.. are ther LEO's hanging around ranges inspecting weapons?

If Im out in the desert someplace..(I have friends that shoot out in borrego springs) are there rangers inspecting folks ?

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ANY time you are out in public with firearms ANY LEO can just stop you to check to see if you and your arms are compliant with the law. All they have to say is that they had a "reasonable suspicion" that your arms weren't compliant because...(Mag was detached, banned features unless RAW, yada yada yada)" and they can check.

Best suggestion in thread - run for the border, keep going, and don't look back.
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