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Old 01-10-2017, 2:56 PM
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I've been reading the new aw registration and from what I understand this is ok due to it being attached to the weapon. Can't be removed from the buffer tube unless you disassemble it. What do you guys think? Read the new regulations and tell me if this will fly?

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I can remove that magazine without disassembly of the action. bolt cutters.
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Not sure where to start. Where is the facepalm meme when you need it?
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Did you come up with that all by yourself?
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I can remove that magazine without disassembly of the action. bolt cutters.
I can Dremel off a BB2.0 or a pinned/welded muzzle brake. Not sure how that's relevant, though.
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I can remove that magazine without disassembly of the action. bolt cutters.


I can use bolt cutters to cut the patriot bb too
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Nevermind that it's STILL a removable magazine (see above posts), but besides that, what is the point? You wouldn't be able to legally eject it and replace with a fresh magazine, you'd have to eject it and then load more cartridges into it and re-insert it. It's barely better than being a top-loader at that point. It's actually worse because now you've got a big metal cable that gets tangled up on everything.

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I don't disagree, I've been warning people of that fact since those products were announced.

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I'm trying to come up with something. Nothing in this world is permanent except death !!! People don't seem to understand that. Metal can be cut, melted, formed, forged, welded ect. Let's get together and figure something out. Still working on a fixed ak pistol mag, here's what I have so far

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As far it being a removable magazine I don't see where it states it needs to stay in the magwell.
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I'm trying to come up with something. Nothing in this world is permanent except death !!! People don't seem to understand that. Metal can be cut, melted, formed, forged, welded ect. Let's get together and figure something out.
Yes, but when cutting/melting/etc something to get the magazine out results in a destroyed receiver, it's definitely sufficiently "permanent". But in your example (and in the case of BB2 and ARMagLock, as you pointed out), the component you'd be breaking to get the mag out is superfluous, and causes the gun to have more functionality than before, not less. So you'd have a heck of a time claiming that you "broke" your AR when all you did was chop some cable off that you added yourself in the first place.

To be permanent would mean that the only way of getting out is by disassembling the action first.

You're trying to come up with different definitions for "permanent" while avoiding the need to disassemble the action - this is a fool's errand.
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As far it being a removable magazine I don't see where it states it needs to stay in the magwell.
Ya... nobody was arguing that point.

We're saying, it's removable because it can be removed with a tool still (bolt cutters), without disassembling the action or otherwise damaging the gun, making it legally no different than a bullet button.
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I'm not trying to argue I'm just working with the way the law was written. Common sense is irrelevant while trying to deal with these bs laws. I can cleanly cut the patriot bb without damaging the receiver.
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I'm not trying to argue I'm just working with the way the law was written. Common sense is irrelevant while trying to deal with these bs laws. I can cleanly cut the patriot bb without damaging the receiver.


It's sad that people are so quick to attack you. So many know-it-all's here. I applaud your outside-the-box thinking, even if you haven't found a winning design. Hell, do you think the Bullet Button was [inventor's] first design/idea? I doubt it.

Don't let these aHoles get you down. Everyone says "we need to do something!" whilst doing nothing. Gold star to you, sir! Keep trying!
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Thanks inferno I'm trying! I know it looks stupid and is a ridiculous idea but I'm going off of what I read in the new aw regulations. As far as the internet know it all, it's clear that they have never worked with their hands or tools.
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This wasn't a joke thread?

Oh shoot. I just noticed it wasn't OT.
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I appreciate the innovation, keep at it.
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I applaud you. At least you're thinking outside of the box. Technically, it should fly lol.
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It looks permanently attached to me.
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This one made me sad, I think he's trying to make fun of my idea but he doesn't realize mostly all ic engines in California are ran this way. They have been for years, it's called an egr valve and yes they run exhaust back through your engine.
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So after removing the now spent mag still attached by the lanyard, how will the new, fresh mag be legally quickly reconnected?
Simply with a cable pre-connected to the magazine, and a ratcheting toothed double lock ring to attach to the buffer tube (similar to a handcuff, but without a keyhole to unlock it,) making it permanently attached?
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Depending on which part you read you either have to separate or open the action to load.
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Come on calguns, I laughed at it too. just trying to come up with new ideas. What do you think free America says when they see a featureless ar15 with a stupid looking stock and wrapped pistol grip.
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So after removing the now spent mag still attached by the lanyard, how will the new, fresh mag be legally quickly reconnected?
Simply with a cable pre-connected to the magazine, and a ratcheting toothed double lock ring to attach to the buffer tube (similar to a handcuff, but without a keyhole to unlock it,) making it permanently attached?
If this were to fly then using stripper clips would probably be the way to go.
I have an idea but the lower would need to be redesigned to where the trigger group could be removed from the bottom sort of like a trigger pack on an SKS or G3 and would be part of the mechanism that holds the mag in place
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I don't understand how a fixed mag isn't a safety hazard? Cycling every round isn't the safest way to unload.
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I don't understand how a fixed mag isn't a safety hazard? Cycling every round isn't the safest way to unload.
Because even though gun control is "all about safety", it has absolutely nothing to do with safety
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Get a butt stock like the mako that holds a Mag . And have one in mag well and one in the stock cabled to buffer tube . Bam and done. Good Idea and definitely a thumb your nose at rhe law . Idea . I think the politicians over reached with the whole tool thing . I have all sorts of tools I don't care what you use to attach the mag permanently If I want it out its coming out .

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Although the premise is absurd, I applaud your intent and innovation, keep it up. The problem with many here is that they fail to think outside the box and are afraid to push the envelope. These legislative fools want to play games, let's play.
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I'm not trying to argue I'm just working with the way the law was written. Common sense is irrelevant while trying to deal with these bs laws. I can cleanly cut the patriot bb without damaging the receiver.
You sure can, which is why I've been trying to tell people to tread lightly with the patriot BB and similar devices, because I really don't think they're gonna fly either.

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So after removing the now spent mag still attached by the lanyard, how will the new, fresh mag be legally quickly reconnected?
Even if his device were compliant, that was my first thought as well - this concept doesn't really make anything any easier than a regular top-loader, other than you can load new cartridges into your only magazine 12" away from the gun instead of directly into the gun.

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Come on calguns, I laughed at it too. just trying to come up with new ideas. What do you think free America says when they see a featureless ar15 with a stupid looking stock and wrapped pistol grip.
I wasn't trying to attack you, I do respect your outside-the-box thinking. Lord knows I've toyed with a few ideas that have been shot down too. I'm just trying to be brutally honest so that you don't get in trouble.

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Although the premise is absurd, I applaud your intent and innovation, keep it up. The problem with many here is that they fail to think outside the box and are afraid to push the envelope. These legislative fools want to play games, let's play.
Some of my ideas have perhaps been even more absurd than this one - I'm definitely not trying to make fun of the OP, this is a pretty cool idea, and honestly one that I hadn't even pondered at all. I just don't think it works for the reasons outlined above. Still, don't give up! Keep thinking of new ideas!
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I've been reading the new aw registration and from what I understand this is ok due to it being attached to the weapon. Can't be removed from the buffer tube unless you disassemble it. What do you guys think? Read the new regulations and tell me if this will fly?


What's to prevent a person from inserting another magazine, without a tether, and doing the ol' drop mag routine with that one - and the next one, and the next one, etc? Is there something unique to that mag and magwell that makes it so only that mag can be used? Assuming that were enough, that is.
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What's to prevent a person from inserting another magazine, without a tether, and doing the ol' drop mag routine with that one - and the next one, and the next one, etc? Is there something unique to that mag and magwell that makes it so only that mag can be used? Assuming that were enough, that is.
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As far it being a removable magazine I don't see where it states it needs to stay in the magwell.
So can you just attach 15 or 20 of those to your rifle and then load them all up before you go to the range? They can all just hang there waiting their turn, right?
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What's to prevent a person from inserting another magazine, without a tether, and doing the ol' drop mag routine with that one - and the next one, and the next one, etc? Is there something unique to that mag and magwell that makes it so only that mag can be used? Assuming that were enough, that is.
I was thinking something like a fish string can you more one mag attached?
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