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Old 05-10-2018, 9:55 AM
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Default opinion on long distance optics?

Opinions on some optics whether to upgrade or not but want to peek around other optics.

Owned:
Burris xtr II 5-20x50
Steiner p4xi 4-16x56

Want:
schmidt and bender pmii 5-25x56
Steiner M5Xi 5-25x56
zeiss conquest hd5 5-25x50
Vortex Optics Golden Eagle HD 15-60x52

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HOWA 1500 24" HCR
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Old 05-10-2018, 10:01 AM
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Should probably put down what it's going to be for (i.e plink, match, hunting), but those are all great optics especially the first two you listed. Heard nothing but great things about them and plan on getting one myself.


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Old 05-10-2018, 11:37 AM
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Not familiar with Steiner's offerings but a minor upgrade from the Burris XTR II (for roughly the same price) is the Bushnell Elite Tactical Series.

Up from that, Vortex Razor HD's are a great value (gen I, used market).

In my experience, from there it's hard to see any discernable differences unless you're talking top dollar scopes like NF Beast, Kahles, etc.
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The Vortex Golden Eagle is different type of scope than the others in that group you have. It is more designed for precise target shooting, particularly F-Class. It has 1/8 MOA clicks with a fine, clean reticle.
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In my opinion the Golden Eagle isn’t in the same class as the other three. Also in my opinion the Zeiss is better than the Vortex but not quite as good as the S&B or Steiner.
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What are you looking to accomplish? I just got a Mark 5, which is in a price range below what you are listing.

My advice: call the pro shop: mile high shooting. Tell them what you want, why you want it, your experience level, and what your price range is. They're a very knowledgeable group of guys and a one stop shop for everything high end long range shooting.
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Opinions on some optics whether to upgrade or not but want to peek around other optics.

Owned:
Burris xtr II 5-20x50
Steiner p4xi 4-16x56

Want:
schmidt and bender pmii 5-25x56
Steiner M5Xi 5-25x56
zeiss conquest hd5 5-25x50
Vortex Optics Golden Eagle HD 15-60x52

setup:

HOWA 1500 24" HCR
Given the rifle, I assume this will be for PRS type shooting. That being the case, the S&B is in a class of it's own with the Steiner no too far behind. These two scopes are in a different category than the Zeiss or Vortex. The latter two are better to suited to hunting/range target shooting applications. Whether you should upgrade or not depends on whether you're finding shortcomings in your current optics. If you are, then you'll probably find a noticeable improvement with the Schmidt and the Steiner. The other posters have made some good suggestions on optics upgrade choices that will give you good return on investment, e.g. the Vortex Razor HD.
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S&B PMII and Teiner M5XI are FFP precisoin scopes.
Zeiss Conquest HD5 is a hunting scope (and a deeply unimpressive one in my opinion)
Vortex Golden Eagle is really designed for benchrest/F-class target shooting.

There is some cognitive dissonance there. You sorta need to decide what this rifle is supposed to do.

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Opinions on some optics whether to upgrade or not but want to peek around other optics.

Owned:
Burris xtr II 5-20x50
Steiner p4xi 4-16x56

Want:
schmidt and bender pmii 5-25x56
Steiner M5Xi 5-25x56
zeiss conquest hd5 5-25x50
Vortex Optics Golden Eagle HD 15-60x52

setup:

HOWA 1500 24" HCR

We'd be happy to help you in your decision by narrowing down what your purpose is for the rifle and an appropriate optic for it if you like, please feel free to call us at 916-670-1103
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Mainly paper punching but I wanted to know if its worth upgrading because once you go big there is little or no chance going back to other optics after that point. I got this list from various people shooting 1000 yd range+ and wanted feedback before deciding to upgrade or spend money elsewhere.
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eyeballing between the pm2 and mx5i as an upgrade if needed
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Both the S&B and Steiner are good, with the edge going to the Schmidt. Only you can determine if it's worth spending the extra money, but these scopes will be a noticeable improvement on the scopes you have now. However, if you're not finding your shooting being constrained by your current equipment, I daresay you'd get more for your money taking a good precision rifle course. You're shooting skills will be greatly improved. Equipment change won't do that.

If you're still wondering, I can let you look through my S&B scope if you like since you're also in Diamond Bar.
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...once you go big there is little or no chance going back to other optics after that point.
I'm not sure I know what this actually means. No going back? Can't get your money back? Or....?
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He means once you see the quality out there with high end optics you won't want to buy cheaper glass.
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Opinions on some optics whether to upgrade or not but want to peek around other optics.

Owned:
Burris xtr II 5-20x50
Steiner p4xi 4-16x56

Want:
schmidt and bender pmii 5-25x56
Steiner M5Xi 5-25x56
zeiss conquest hd5 5-25x50
Vortex Optics Golden Eagle HD 15-60x52

setup:

HOWA 1500 24" HCR
If you want and can afford the S&B, then get that, or also look at NF F1 or Vortex Gen 2 Razor. Those are the only 3 I'd consider other than the TT. FYI, I own a Vortex Gen 2 Razor.
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eyeballing between the pm2 and mx5i as an upgrade if needed

Both are good scopes, although I will honestly admit that scopes around $2k are getting so good, that taking the plunge on a $3k optic is increasingly difficult.

I would also check out Athlon Cronus, Delta Stryker HD 4.5-30x56 (I really like the reticle in this one), Vortex Razor Gen 2 and NIghtforce ATACR F1.

Also, add Leupold Mark 5 to the list. Leupold really did a good job with these.

Start out by figuring out which reticle works for you and go from there. Then decide how much money you can spend.

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I really like the S&B, but the one thing that always stands out is the weight. It is a big heavy scope. Not a big deal for benched up paper punching, but a little bit of an issue if doing PRS

+1 for the Leupold Mk5. The Leupold Mark 5 were really impressive to me, quality and lightweight. Definitely check them out.

I also still really like the Eotech Vudu 5-25 FFP Short.

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Some of these things are not like the others. The S&B is $2k+, the Zeiss is like $800.
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If you plan to shoot steel matches you might want a ballistic reticle. Hard to get 10 shots off at 4 different ranges and 2 positions in 90 seconds when you're dialing.
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Both are good scopes, although I will honestly admit that scopes around $2k are getting so good, that taking the plunge on a $3k optic is increasingly difficult.

I would also check out Athlon Cronus, Delta Stryker HD 4.5-30x56 (I really like the reticle in this one), Vortex Razor Gen 2 and NIghtforce ATACR F1.

Also, add Leupold Mark 5 to the list. Leupold really did a good job with these.

Start out by figuring out which reticle works for you and go from there. Then decide how much money you can spend.

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when you get into the $3 grand range your into the euro optics and the glass is leaps and bounds above the scopes you mentioned...ive owned all the scopes you mention except for the Mark 5.

ive also owned a minox ZP5 and currently own a kahles 624i and NONE of the japanese glass compare to euro glass...german glass is hands down the best glass made...if i knew 10yrs ago what i know now about scopes i whould of saved myself a LOT of time and money and bought a euro optic to start with.
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