Calguns.net  

Home My iTrader Join the NRA Donate to CGSSA Sponsors CGN Google Search
CA Semiauto Ban(AW)ID Flowchart CA Handgun Ban ID Flowchart CA Shotgun Ban ID Flowchart
Go Back   Calguns.net > FIREARMS DISCUSSIONS > Centerfire Rifles - Semiautomatic or Gas Operated
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Centerfire Rifles - Semiautomatic or Gas Operated Centerfire rifles, carbines and other gas operated rifles.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #281  
Old 04-20-2017, 8:40 PM
readysetgo's Avatar
readysetgo readysetgo is offline
Voted Most Ready CGN'er
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Ventura County, Caught Between My Woman And My Pistol And My Chips
Posts: 7,291
iTrader: 36 / 100%
Default

One difference in these examples. If you're not supporting "the whole package" then it's bad biz to do the proprietary thing.

If Sony sold a minidisc player but didn't provide support for the media...

Then again, sometimes you stray from the norm for whatever reason and that becomes popularized.
__________________

Stand up and be counted, or lay down and be mounted... -Mac
Reply With Quote
  #282  
Old 04-20-2017, 9:19 PM
sfarchitect's Avatar
sfarchitect sfarchitect is offline
Illegitimi noncarborundum
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 757
iTrader: 13 / 100%
Default

In 21st Century America, the fact that Bill Alexander is willing to give me plain advice about removing this live(!!) round, and further(!) to offer reloading advice, purely from a liability standpoint, blows my f'ing mind frankly! I'm just amazed, thankful but amazed.

From where I'm coming from, new: LR shooter, and reloader, and having bought this weapon, as long as Bill Alexander is crazy enough to share his decades of knowledge on these subjects, I'm going to take full advantage of that arrangement.

I am a design professional. I also spent nearly a decade in very hi performance home audio. I can attest that the best practicioners, in any realm of specialized design, often stray far from the beaten path.

I'm a believer in explaining complicated ideas in simple analogies. McDonalds sells the most food nation, and I would suspect world wide on a daily basis, does that make it the best food?

Last edited by sfarchitect; 04-20-2017 at 9:31 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #283  
Old 04-20-2017, 9:22 PM
CouchOperator's Avatar
CouchOperator CouchOperator is offline
Send Coffee
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: \_(ツ)_/
Posts: 3,784
iTrader: 9 / 100%
Default

Or hes trying to keep you on board as a customer however he possibly can.

Yes, we all know you are an architect. What does that have to do with rifles?
__________________
High Quality Gear For Sale:
https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1356223

Night Vision For Beginners: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...2#post19858692
Reply With Quote
  #284  
Old 04-20-2017, 11:08 PM
sfarchitect's Avatar
sfarchitect sfarchitect is offline
Illegitimi noncarborundum
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 757
iTrader: 13 / 100%
Default

Slow learner.

I have a vocational predisposition toward well designed, well made things. Now how this effects the women that have been in my life is another conversation. But I have managed to hang on to a beautiful SF apartment, well made tools, light fixtures, flatware, furniture, camping equipment, knives and firearms.

Once I bought the rifle I was committed. That said I stand by all of the above.
Reply With Quote
  #285  
Old 04-21-2017, 7:49 AM
ar15barrels's Avatar
ar15barrels ar15barrels is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Van Nuys
Posts: 41,657
iTrader: 92 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sfarchitect View Post
I have a vocational predisposition toward well designed, well made things.
One could argue that standardization is a valuable design trait as well.
Reply With Quote
  #286  
Old 04-21-2017, 11:02 AM
pacrat pacrat is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Socialist Republic of SoCal
Posts: 5,114
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CouchOperator View Post
Or hes trying to keep you on board as a customer however he possibly can.

Yes, we all know you are an architect. What does that have to do with rifles?
In the instance of this particular rifle. It has everything to do with it. Because it is OP's rifle. So realistically, his opinion on how to best proceed. Is the only opinion that counts.


JM2c
Reply With Quote
  #287  
Old 04-21-2017, 1:11 PM
sfarchitect's Avatar
sfarchitect sfarchitect is offline
Illegitimi noncarborundum
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 757
iTrader: 13 / 100%
Default Voila!

Since there was a massive power failure in downtown SF today, I got the day off. The 5/16" x 3' brass rods got here yesterday. Soooooo

IMG_0890.jpg

I do not know how clearly you can see this. I had to pound the snot out of this to get it out. But I got it out!! The bullet itself is literally pounded into the cartridge deeper than the edge of the shoulder! The brass rod kept going deeper into the barrel, but the casing was NOT moving. By the end I was seriously hammering on the brass rod until, suddenly. . .

I got it out, Wuhoo!

I got pretty nervous as this required more and more force to pound it out. I'm ready for a beer!

Once again CG community, thank you all for your insights, observations and sound advice!!

as Peter Sellers once famously said; "problem sol-ved". I also shipped the pistol off to HK factory service today.

Last edited by sfarchitect; 04-21-2017 at 8:45 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #288  
Old 04-21-2017, 1:22 PM
SonOfaDI's Avatar
SonOfaDI SonOfaDI is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Socal but long 2B Free
Posts: 466
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Any damage to chamber or barrel?
__________________

Democrats, Liberals, Socialists and all election losers. We are sorry you are in darkness now. You need to undertake the TARD protocol to become rational again.
Reply With Quote
  #289  
Old 04-21-2017, 1:23 PM
enorbit3's Avatar
enorbit3 enorbit3 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: SFV
Posts: 135
iTrader: 2 / 100%
Default

woo hooo!!! glad to hear it worked out.
Reply With Quote
  #290  
Old 04-21-2017, 1:29 PM
sfarchitect's Avatar
sfarchitect sfarchitect is offline
Illegitimi noncarborundum
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 757
iTrader: 13 / 100%
Default

I don't think so. I have no way of knowing that really. You can't really get in there to see it without some specialized tool. I used a brass rod on a brass casing. I'm not saying its beyond the realm of possibility, but I'm hard pressed to think how brass, could hurt a hardened steel barrel. In the photo you can see the brass rod went nicely into the throat of the brass cartridge. I think I'm good.
Reply With Quote
  #291  
Old 04-21-2017, 1:35 PM
CouchOperator's Avatar
CouchOperator CouchOperator is offline
Send Coffee
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: \_(ツ)_/
Posts: 3,784
iTrader: 9 / 100%
Default

This thread





Inbeforethenextreloadingfailurethread
__________________
High Quality Gear For Sale:
https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1356223

Night Vision For Beginners: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...2#post19858692
Reply With Quote
  #292  
Old 04-21-2017, 1:36 PM
Caligula36's Avatar
Caligula36 Caligula36 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 96
iTrader: 2 / 100%
Default

$50 says the next round he fires gets stuck again.
Reply With Quote
  #293  
Old 04-21-2017, 1:38 PM
sfarchitect's Avatar
sfarchitect sfarchitect is offline
Illegitimi noncarborundum
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 757
iTrader: 13 / 100%
Default

Laughing here Couch! Laughing because time may prove you right about that.

As one of my buddies who's been schooling me on this stuff said one night; "People don't start reloading with 338 Lapua"

It seemed like a fine idea to me.
Reply With Quote
  #294  
Old 04-21-2017, 1:39 PM
russ69's Avatar
russ69 russ69 is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 8,465
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Next time once the bullet is clear of the case mouth, dump the powder out of the case. Use a cleaning rod and just jiggle the bullet while the barrel is pointing down and all the powder will fall out of the case.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #295  
Old 04-21-2017, 1:39 PM
Lonestargrizzly's Avatar
Lonestargrizzly Lonestargrizzly is offline
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 4,544
iTrader: 16 / 100%
Default

I would have just thrown the whole thing away.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by newbie1234 View Post
DO NOT RESPONSE TO THIS POST NO MORE.
"ssagsdgr" is A SPAM(mer).
GO TO EDIT AND DELETE YOUR REPLIES, WE DO NOT TOLERANCE SPAMMER ON OUR FORUM. THOSE SPAMMER IS LIKED "FORUM TERRORIST"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lonestargrizzly View Post
Forum terrorist is in my sights, request permission to engage...
Reply With Quote
  #296  
Old 04-21-2017, 1:41 PM
CouchOperator's Avatar
CouchOperator CouchOperator is offline
Send Coffee
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: \_(ツ)_/
Posts: 3,784
iTrader: 9 / 100%
Default

Good luck. Ive been down the .338 Lapua road. Nope, not for me. And yes, i still stand by that AI would have been a better pick. I also stand by that it was extreme user error. I stand by everything. But if you come out the other end learning something, then good on you. You perhaps bit off way more than you could chew. I give alot of people **** and they often dont read it in the same tone im meaning to say it. Ill give people **** but im never out to fully slam someone
__________________
High Quality Gear For Sale:
https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1356223

Night Vision For Beginners: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...2#post19858692
Reply With Quote
  #297  
Old 04-21-2017, 1:41 PM
sfarchitect's Avatar
sfarchitect sfarchitect is offline
Illegitimi noncarborundum
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 757
iTrader: 13 / 100%
Default

The difference between us is, while I may laugh and kid people, Its how guys interact right, I don't wish ill fortune upon others. There's no need for that.

But yes, I did naively bite off a bit more than I could chew on this. That is a totally fair criticism Couch. Too many variables to deal with lead to a serious user error.

Now what I need to do is:
  1. attempt to chamber each loaded round individually
  2. any others that do not chamber need to be taken apart
  3. wait for this Hornady die (10-12 weeks I was told)
  4. buy a 12 pack of beer for one of my buddies with a single stage press so I can use that
  5. run every empty case through that giant 1-1/4" thread sizing die.

Last edited by sfarchitect; 04-21-2017 at 2:00 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #298  
Old 04-21-2017, 1:42 PM
Cuda440's Avatar
Cuda440 Cuda440 is offline
Probably PUI
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Corona
Posts: 2,728
iTrader: 6 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sfarchitect View Post
I don't think so. I have no way of knowing that really. You can't really get in there to see it without some specialized tool. I used a brass rod on a brass casing. I'm not saying its beyond the realm of possibility, but I'm hard pressed to think how brass, could hurt a hardened steel barrel. In the photo you can see the brass rod went nicely into the throat of the brass cartridge. I think I'm good.
You cant remove the stock and bolt carrier and see directly into the chamber with a flashlight?
Reply With Quote
  #299  
Old 04-21-2017, 1:53 PM
sfarchitect's Avatar
sfarchitect sfarchitect is offline
Illegitimi noncarborundum
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 757
iTrader: 13 / 100%
Default

Nope, this is not an AR. This is a one piece receiver. Through the ejection port I can see a little ways into the chamber. What little bit I can see seems fine.
Reply With Quote
  #300  
Old 04-21-2017, 1:56 PM
readysetgo's Avatar
readysetgo readysetgo is offline
Voted Most Ready CGN'er
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Ventura County, Caught Between My Woman And My Pistol And My Chips
Posts: 7,291
iTrader: 36 / 100%
Default

Sweet! Dump the powder and keep that bullet displayed prominently.
Reply With Quote
  #301  
Old 04-21-2017, 1:56 PM
sfarchitect's Avatar
sfarchitect sfarchitect is offline
Illegitimi noncarborundum
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 757
iTrader: 13 / 100%
Default

Couch, it is all good sir. No offense taken. Should I ever make your acquaintance, I would be delighted to buy you a beer or two.
Reply With Quote
  #302  
Old 04-21-2017, 1:57 PM
CouchOperator's Avatar
CouchOperator CouchOperator is offline
Send Coffee
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: \_(ツ)_/
Posts: 3,784
iTrader: 9 / 100%
Default

Macallan or GTFO
__________________
High Quality Gear For Sale:
https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1356223

Night Vision For Beginners: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...2#post19858692
Reply With Quote
  #303  
Old 04-21-2017, 2:01 PM
sfarchitect's Avatar
sfarchitect sfarchitect is offline
Illegitimi noncarborundum
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 757
iTrader: 13 / 100%
Default

I'm more of an Asahi or Zinfandel guy. To each his own sir. I do still love the new Avatar Couch.

Last edited by sfarchitect; 04-21-2017 at 2:05 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #304  
Old 04-21-2017, 2:12 PM
sfvshooter sfvshooter is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: LA/SFV
Posts: 102
iTrader: 6 / 100%
Default

Congrats on getting the round out.
Reply With Quote
  #305  
Old 04-21-2017, 2:13 PM
CouchOperator's Avatar
CouchOperator CouchOperator is offline
Send Coffee
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: May 2016
Location: \_(ツ)_/
Posts: 3,784
iTrader: 9 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sfarchitect View Post
I'm more of an Asahi or Zinfandel guy. To each his own sir. I do still love the new Avatar Couch.
I like cabernet as far as wine goes
__________________
High Quality Gear For Sale:
https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1356223

Night Vision For Beginners: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...2#post19858692
Reply With Quote
  #306  
Old 04-21-2017, 3:47 PM
pacrat pacrat is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Socialist Republic of SoCal
Posts: 5,114
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sfarchitect View Post

Now what I need to do is:
  1. [1]attempt to chamber each loaded round individually
    [2]any others that do not chamber need to be taken apart
    [3]wait for this Hornady die (10-12 weeks I was told)
    [4]buy a 12 pack of beer for one of my buddies with a single stage press so I can use that
    [5]run every empty case through that giant 1-1/4" thread sizing die.
Suggestions

[1]...(a) Remove FP first. (b) Do not allow action to slam bolt forward on rounds being tested. Or you may be beating out another loaded round. (c) Chamber a factory round, then make index marks on bolt/reciever, before testing reloads. So as to check for full battery of rounds tested. And "ride" the bolt down gently.

[2]...Not Necessarily. The aforementioned modified Redding "Push Through Die" allows "safely sizing" the web of loaded rounds.
Which can be done Loooong before your anticipated 10-12 wk delivery date. And precludes the tedious task of break down, resizing, and then re-reloading already assembled ammo.

[3]...See underlined in (2)

(4)...Sharing beers with reloading buddies is always a good move.

(5)...Can't hurt after paying through the nose and you wait 3 months for it.

Since you are reloading, I'm guessing you have some sort of precision measuring tools. Please measure the web area of the offending round and compare it to SAAMI specs. If me, I would also do a chamber cast, of both the rifle chamber, and your case gage. And measure them for comparison. The offending round "may" be one that passed the gage but not the chamber. That happens more often than you might suspect.

Remember, NOT ALL HOLES ARE CREATED EQUAL.

I don't remember it being asked. Does your original dies, include a "Small Base" FL sizing die? Acquisition of a SB-FL die is pretty much SOP for guys that reload for shell shuckers.

Glad you got it cleared.


JM2c
Reply With Quote
  #307  
Old 04-21-2017, 4:02 PM
russ69's Avatar
russ69 russ69 is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 8,465
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sfarchitect View Post
...attempt to chamber each loaded round individually...
You already know some rounds are problematic, no need to re-prove that. Fix the issue first.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #308  
Old 04-21-2017, 4:46 PM
Spaceghost Spaceghost is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: San Jose
Posts: 5,599
iTrader: 9 / 100%
Default

I bet this thread has a solid 2 pages left in the gas tank. I want to thank everyone for the entertainment this thread provided and will continue to do so.


Quote:
Originally Posted by CouchOperator View Post
This thread





Inbeforethenextreloadingfailurethread
Reply With Quote
  #309  
Old 04-21-2017, 5:35 PM
NorCalFocus's Avatar
NorCalFocus NorCalFocus is online now
Veteran Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Surprise, AZ
Posts: 3,103
iTrader: 10 / 100%
Default

Why are you against getting a 1 1/4" reloading press of your own? If it's a space issue why not just get a Inline Fabrication quick change system?
Reply With Quote
  #310  
Old 04-21-2017, 6:30 PM
FLIGHT762's Avatar
FLIGHT762 FLIGHT762 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Northern Calif. / SFO Area
Posts: 2,356
iTrader: 17 / 100%
Default

Just a question, what tool / comparator / gauge are you using to measure your fired cases' shoulder so you know how much you are resizing (bumping) the cases shoulders when you F/L size?
Reply With Quote
  #311  
Old 04-21-2017, 6:45 PM
gawker gawker is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Northern CA
Posts: 480
iTrader: 2 / 100%
Default

If you want to look at chamber. probably to wide to go down barrel. but you should be able to peak at the chamber from ejection port.

They do sell smaller diameter models.
Reply With Quote
  #312  
Old 04-21-2017, 6:51 PM
sfarchitect's Avatar
sfarchitect sfarchitect is offline
Illegitimi noncarborundum
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 757
iTrader: 13 / 100%
Default

Flight 762: Its an LE Wilson gauge.

Citizen One ""I'm stuck to my chair. I'm so very scared. Help." sounds like a story!

To all:

The way this weapon is designed is to break it down the entire rear trunnion/truncheon (language matters) comes off, you slide the BCG which is attached to the 2.4Lb piston out the rear trunnion/truncheon.

I had taken the FP out of the BCG upon getting the round stuck. I just removed the piston, & BCG to transport it.

Hey if you found it entertaining someone give us more than 2 stars. I have endeavored to make this entertaining while I have learned so much.

Last edited by sfarchitect; 04-21-2017 at 8:17 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #313  
Old 04-21-2017, 6:52 PM
Q's Avatar
Q Q is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: LA
Posts: 5,887
iTrader: 38 / 100%
Default




Reply With Quote
  #314  
Old 04-21-2017, 6:54 PM
sfarchitect's Avatar
sfarchitect sfarchitect is offline
Illegitimi noncarborundum
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 757
iTrader: 13 / 100%
Default

Cool tool Gawker, but this sojourn/learning curve has cost me quite enough money. Why buy that? If I did damage it the damage is done. I could however buy more of this "once fired" Lupua brass
Reply With Quote
  #315  
Old 04-21-2017, 7:10 PM
Q's Avatar
Q Q is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: LA
Posts: 5,887
iTrader: 38 / 100%
Default

That rifle is pretty awesome. Hopefully it's just the ammo that caused the jam and not the chamber..

My current issue with a magnum ar is gas not feeding the next round. Mine is short stroking, not going back far enough to get another round from the mag. It has a adjustable block and it was almost all the way out of the block. So maybe the gas port hole is blocked or not drilled big enough on mine. No doubt bolt action is better. Hopefully mine will cycle to. lol!
Reply With Quote
  #316  
Old 04-21-2017, 7:10 PM
sfarchitect's Avatar
sfarchitect sfarchitect is offline
Illegitimi noncarborundum
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 757
iTrader: 13 / 100%
Default

pacrat:

1 - FP came out, along with BCG & piston since this round was caught.

2-I went looking for this; modified Redding "Push Through Die", and could not find it. If there is a stock part that will work, I'm all for the idea. I have the Redding Competition Neck sizing & FL Body sizing die. Again however, its all about that last 3/16"-1/4" at the base of the case.

Quote:
I'm guessing you have some sort of precision measuring tools. Please measure the web area of the offending round and compare it to SAAMI specs. If me, I would also do a chamber cast, of both the rifle chamber, and your case gage. And measure them for comparison. The offending round "may" be one that passed the gage but not the chamber. That happens more often than you might suspect.
Wow, never even thought about that.
Reply With Quote
  #317  
Old 04-21-2017, 7:12 PM
Sanderhawk's Avatar
Sanderhawk Sanderhawk is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 919
iTrader: 11 / 100%
Default

Glad its out. I`ve been following this thread with interest to see how things were going to go.
Reply With Quote
  #318  
Old 04-21-2017, 7:14 PM
sfarchitect's Avatar
sfarchitect sfarchitect is offline
Illegitimi noncarborundum
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 757
iTrader: 13 / 100%
Default

Russ69: not sure what you mean? Are you suggesting I tear apart the the other hundred rounds I had loaded for this class but didn't use?

Here's my thinking on this. Chamber each round individually. Pull the bullets out of the ten to twenty percent of that remaining hundred rounds of loaded ammo. Seem reasonable?
Reply With Quote
  #319  
Old 04-21-2017, 7:22 PM
Maximus924's Avatar
Maximus924 Maximus924 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Sonoma County
Posts: 438
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Congrats sfarch! What a frigging relief you must be feeling! Did the case measure fat?
Reply With Quote
  #320  
Old 04-21-2017, 8:21 PM
sfarchitect's Avatar
sfarchitect sfarchitect is offline
Illegitimi noncarborundum
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 757
iTrader: 13 / 100%
Default

Yes sir, you know it. I now have a functional medium bore long range weapon instead of a very expensive club.

Last edited by sfarchitect; 04-24-2017 at 7:51 PM..
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 6:25 PM.




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Proudly hosted by GeoVario the Premier 2A host.
Calguns.net, the 'Calguns' name and all associated variants and logos are ® Trademark and © Copyright 2002-2016, Calguns.net an Incorporated Company All Rights Reserved.