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The papoose, marlin 60, ruger 10/22 are excempt.
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can you provide a cite for that assertion?
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How? How are these exempt? We don't have to just take your word for it. Please explain. I was born in Missouri, so you'll have to show me.
I am already an NRA member, so that is covered...
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From my reading of the bill - which could be wrong - only certain Olympic pistols are exempt. Pretty much everything with a detachable mag and semi-auto becomes an "assault weapon."
It seems that an arms race of ridiculousness has settled onto Sacramento. All these bills are aimed at problems that don't exits. Register 10/22s? Why? |
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The legislators in California, Steinberg, Hancock, Yee, DeLeon, Leno, Skinner, Bonta, Ammiano represent self-serving left wing extremism in their war against the Second Amendment and law-abiding Californians. The fact that they will stand up there and intentionally lie in order to push their bill through tells us that our only hope is that the Governor will veto the bills (yeah right) or we will have to fight this trash in court. Meanwhile only law abiding Californian's get it up the Ying-Yang.
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http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...fa7bc2c67f3bde You are probably confusing this AW bill with Feinstein's AW ammendement to federal legislation which did in fact list a long list of guns marked as exempt including the Sturm & Ruger 10/22. |
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Question about 4th Amendment and Registration
Not a lawyer, so this may be completely wrong headed: but hear me out
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Unfortunately, the US Constitution is meaningless in the state of California and nothing will change that until it reaches the Supreme Court. And then only if we get a favorable judgment. It takes decades and decades to fight this stuff. So if you want the same rights as most of the United State, be prepared to wait a LONG TIME. |
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Also I can't find anything in the bill text that excludes 10/22s and such. http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...201320140SB374 Last edited by darthsideous; 04-17-2013 at 5:47 AM.. |
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10/22 has a removable mag,it seems it's an Assault Weapon. the way I read it? |
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no they arent, did you listen to the hearings? one of the things people were bringing up is how their 1022 would now be an assault weapon. |
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It will ban future sales. And you can't give it to your kid because it is a felony to allow minors to possess an assault weapon. I'm hoping that the rimfire language is struck based on that ridiculousness, but not holding my breath...
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You are confusing the Fed bill with the state bill. GunOwner, if you own a remington 700 before Jan 1 2014 with detachable magazine, you will have to register it with the FOR. If it does not have a detachable magazine then you will not have to. Assuming this bill passes as is.
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The whole bill is ridiculous, We need to stop fixing it for them.
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How sad that we are going to have to fight such ridiculousness in court. I mean, one of the bill bans all firearms unless they are of the "Judge Dredd" type that doesn't exist currently. Another bill bans the a shotgun that doesn't exist currently.
Gov. Brown can't veto this if he wanted-- you cannot veto a bill passed with a super-majority. You have to face the fact that we live in a Liberal-majority state and this is a Liberal issue and only a fraction of Liberals are 2A advocates, so there's zero chance we'll get a fair shake. Period. The fact of the matter is, we only have a (slim) chance of fighting and winning at a superseding federal level. That's the best option anyhow, as it will protect all of the other states if we win. On the flip side, if we lose, it can be used as a precedent against other states. I'm fairly sure the Heller case will overturn at least 1 or 2 of these new laws, but only if the court agrees to hear the case-- which is not guaranteed. |
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Yes you can. The number of votes it passes with doesnt matter. If they want to override a veto then your super majority comes into play, but it has to be passed, then vetoed, then overridden. With a bill this overreaching, if Brown vetoes it he will also be talking to those voting on the override to make sure he isnt shown up like that. All hypothetical of course based on Brown actually vetoing it
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It is all contingent on Jerry issuing that veto, but he did veto the ammo bill last year; it is thought that he did so based on its inability to hold up to lawsuit. He also owns a rimfire rifle (though I'm not sure of the type)...
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This really sucks and I am in the fight, I contribute, but if this passes, I am moving my safe and all but my HD handgun to my AZ place. I will never shoot in CA again.
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The anti's thank you for helping achieve their dream of a gun free California.
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Yeah, this ban is soooooo beyond stupid. Instead of starting my daughter on a 10/22, I'm supposed to start her with my .45 ACP hand gun? I'm not into bolt action.
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the 'ladies' write the bills for him.
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No no no! You're never supposed to let her see let alone TOUCH a firearm!
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100% passing
95% brown signs 100% it is challenged in court 100% all of the challenges are defeated up to the 9th. 10% chance SCOTUS certs any of the challenges 1% chance one of the challenges will succeed at the SCOTUS level 100% chance courts and legislators will ignore any such wins up to the 9th rinse, repeat
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Don't think so since the 60 does not have a detachable magazine.
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Of passing? I say 99.9% It's all about defeating it in court and being granted a stay.
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And according to the DOJ guy at the hearing yesterday,the .22s we grew up with are just another deadly assault weapon in his opinion.
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I guess I should have also asked, what are the chances Gov. Brown will sign into law?
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#476
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So the new Ruger Gunsite Scout will be on the list? Any chance we can get Ruger to throw some money behind a recall of some borderline antis or a ballot initiative to overturn some of these laws?
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prettymuch. this bill is lulz nulls and void.
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No, the Gunsite will not be an AW per this law. However the law contains a separate registration provision for all long guns with detachable magazines that is retro-active. So, the Gunsite Scout, the Howa 1500, Remington 700 tactical and DM models, Lee Enfield rifles, and I'm sure a ton more that I am forgetting will all be required to be registered.
I am sure that failure to register them is going to be similar to what happens if you don't register a handgun; increased penalties for getting caught with it, plus confiscation. And the registration appears to be retroactive to ANY D/M rifle in the state, unlike the 2014 long gun registration that passed a couple years ago which will only cover newly purchased guns. This ones a big deal. Unfortunately, it looks like they are just passing anything they can think of while the corpses are still fresh and they have a large majority. That will make it hard to fight, because our resources will be spread so thin. Nothing to do but keep fighting though. |
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I refuse to register any firearms and both my bolts have detachable mags. My tube fed .22 will hold 12 rounds. So if this becomes law I'll be left with my Marlin lever action and that's it. Anyone know if there's any gun ranges in Yuma with long term storage lockers?
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It's the Chicago way. No tin foil involved. How the hell do you think Obamacare got passed? |
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