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ADVANCED CONCEALED CARRY CONCEPTS

This course is designed to build from your knowledge and skill level of the CCW certification and all other shooters for self-defense. Students will learn to defend themselves and others in different and dynamic environments. At the end of this course, each student will have the ability and confidence to successfully deal with threats properly and in the best interests of all involved.

Instructor: Jason Pike, Navy SEAL Team 7 veteran.

NOTE: CCW License is not necessary.

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I just went thru the website.... there is a complete blackout of information on the instructors and their professional resumes / background...never a good sign. Flagging of femoral arteries with all those appendix carry draws while seated in the promo video...is that safe????

Just wondering what the creds of the instructors are...before I consider signing up.
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This tells me pretty much everything I need to know about their courses. They definitely are taking it to another level...


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I wonder if the wife knows whats going on when she is told.. "he'll be fine, all he has to do is sit in the truck..."

So is the kid provided or do students need to bring their own?
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This tells me pretty much everything I need to know about their courses. They definitely are taking it to another level...

Holy hell.....
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Holy hell.....
Yeah, and it is retarded. If a bad guy is going to pop up at point blank range before the guy in the car is aware of him, then most likely the guy in the car will be dead anyway.

Then, again the bar is pretty low for "tactical" instruction. Most of them over promise and under deliver.

However, I am sure it would draw the tacticool and wanna be operator crowd
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Yeah, and it is retarded. If a bad guy is going to pop up at point blank range before the guy in the car is aware of him, then most likely the guy in the car will be dead anyway.

Then, again the bar is pretty low for "tactical" instruction. Most of them over promise and under deliver.

However, I am sure it would draw the tacticool and wanna be operator crowd
And when would taking both hands off the wheel and engaging, rather than using that huge SUV as a getaway car, and, if need be, a battering ram, be advised? So much can go wrong engaging across the vehicle with a kid sitting there. I mean you gotta do what you gotta do, but training with a real kid?

Holy hell sums up my thoughts.
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And when would taking both hands off the wheel and engaging, rather than using that huge SUV as a getaway car, and, if need be, a battering ram, be advised? So much can go wrong engaging across the vehicle with a kid sitting there. I mean you gotta do what you gotta do, but training with a real kid?

Holy hell sums up my thoughts.
In every vehicle engagement tactics class I have taken, the instructor emphasizes making use of the +/- 5000 weapon you are driving before you turn to a handgun, if you can.

In an ambush you are taught to in order of preference:
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As for exposing the hearing of a child that young to the sound of multiple rounds inside a vehicle....much less to proximity to live fire???
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1200rds pistol/rifle needed for a one day. That is ambitious. Even more so in Calif. due to limitations.

There is absolutely a group of cal gunners interested in this type of training. Regardless of the style or perceived danger. In fact I'm sure for a few of this group CTA looks like a bunch of safety Sally's..
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This looks fun as heck, but I can't make it. Curious why you need so much rifle ammo but no rifle.. hehe
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...There is absolutely a group of cal gunners interested in this type of training.
Of course there would be, the course name has "Navy SEAL" and "tactics" in it.

Description has the key word "ADVANCED". And the promise of "At the end of this course each student will have the ability and confidence to successfully deal with threats properly and in the best interests of all involved."

And there are no prerequisites, so someone that barely knows to shoot could be an expert in one day.
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If that video is a representation of the class, I wouldn't attend. No prerequisites required and letting strangers with unknown skill shoot past you is hazardous.
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Description has the key word "ADVANCED".....And there are no prerequisites, so someone that barely knows to shoot could be an expert in one day.
^^^^THIS!!! And they are not even wearing soft armor. I dont know a single SpecOps guy who would not be wearing body armor when training live fire CQB with small arms within their units, much less with non vetted strangers!


There are clearly no prerequisites imposed on the students... In the promo video below, note the rounds hitting the deck at 0:34 into the video, all the femoral artery flagging with the ACIW draws while seated and the high ready into the camera at 0:28 and the guy pushing a table into the guy drawing his AIWB weapon while seated at 0:35.

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...There are clearly no prerequisites imposed on the students... In the promo video below, note the rounds hitting the deck at 0:34 into the video, all the femoral artery flagging with the ACIW draws while seated and the high ready into the camera at 0:28 and the guy pushing a table into the guy drawing his AIWB weapon while seated at 0:35.
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Also, at 0:27 the guy is sweeping all the people sitting at the table on the right while looking around with a gun in his hand.

Hey, but it is tactical!!!
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No, its not! I have done a lot of tactical training, with lots of LEO / SWAT types, current and former USMC / Army Ranger's / AF PJ's and SEAR guys and yes even a few SEALS as well. I have never seen ANYTHING like what is being promoted here and knowing a lot of those guys pretty well, I can tell you they wouldnt be doing any of the drills being promoted here.
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^^^^THIS!!! And they are not even wearing soft armor. I dont know a single SpecOps guy who would not be wearing body armor when training live fire CQB with small arms within their units, much less with non vetted strangers!


There are clearly no prerequisites imposed on the students... In the promo video below, note the rounds hitting the deck at 0:34 into the video, all the femoral artery flagging with the ACIW draws while seated and the high ready into the camera at 0:28 and the guy pushing a table into the guy drawing his AIWB weapon while seated at 0:35.

There is zero chance I would participate in a class with no prequal requirement, probably even with one, that had me facing someone at a table who is drawing and firing past me. NFW.

There’s so much flagging in that video I thought it was the front entrance to the UN.
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No, its not! I have done a lot of tactical training, with lots of LEO / SWAT types, current and former USMC / Army Ranger's / AF PJ's and SEAR guys and yes even a few SEALS as well. I have never seen ANYTHING like what is being promoted here and knowing a lot of those guys pretty well, I can tell you they wouldnt be doing any of the drills being promoted here.
When I was in high school and college, my old man was CINC 23AF, ARRS, and the PJs were his guys. Those are some BA MOFOS.

He’s told me some training stories of drills they took him through. I guess they skipped the “spastic reaction to cafeteria takeover,” and the “simultaneous one guy at each window of the car, but no one in front, so SHOOT YOUR WAY OUT!!!!!!!!” drills.

no doubt it was too advanced for the old man.
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When I was in high school and college, my old man was CINC 23AF, ARRS, and the PJs were his guys. Those are some BA MOFOS.

He’s told me some training stories of drills they took him through. I guess they skipped the “spastic reaction to cafeteria takeover,” and the “simultaneous one guy at each window of the car, but no one in front, so SHOOT YOUR WAY OUT!!!!!!!!” drills.

no doubt it was too advanced for the old man.
Yeah, the AF PJ's are a very advanced unit that few people know about.. and they like to keep it that way!

The instructor who runs the vehicle engagement classes I take ( and really ENJOY A LOT ) teaches the instructors for the CA. Highway Patrol Academy so he cant be as high speed low drag as the California Tactical Academy. That must be why we have never done most all the stuff in that video...
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Sooo I shouldn’t take the class? They told me the reason why there’s no instructor bio is because all of them did black ops stuff and can’t reveal who they really are.
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Did they really tell you that?

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Hahaha no but it’s a badass excuse! Seriously I was hoping so bad that the guy would cook off a round into his rear door. And who in the right mind would put their kid in that situation?
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Hahaha no but it’s a badass excuse! Seriously I was hoping so bad that the guy would cook off a round into his rear door. And who in the right mind would put their kid in that situation?
Like I said earlier.. I think mom was told the kid will be perfectly safe at the range.. he will be sitting in the truck the whole time...

Even with earplugs under the earpro on his head, the noise from those rounds going off INSIDE the vehicle ARE damaging that kid's hearing...

The guy knows that everyone would have the same reaction we are in this thread so he puts his child in there to prove its safe? All he did was prove he is an irresponsible father and desperate to prove the unsafe is safe.


BTW... just because someone served in the SeAL teams dosent mean they are competent instructors...doing something and being able to safely and competently convey it to others are two very different skills.
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And when would taking both hands off the wheel and engaging, rather than using that huge SUV as a getaway car, and, if need be, a battering ram, be advised? So much can go wrong engaging across the vehicle with a kid sitting there. I mean you gotta do what you gotta do, but training with a real kid?

Holy hell sums up my thoughts.


Maybe this is the “you’re stuck in the drive through of In n Out” drill? Probably called the Double Double Tap drill.
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Jason Pike, our Navy SEAL Team 7 Veteran is leading this great course.

The scenarios you are seeing the short videos came from realistic incidents that happened that we analyzed again and again and created this class curriculum, we strive to keep our training realistic to prepare our student to real life, and to make sure you'll be able to protect yourself and your loved ones.

Fighting is messy, dirty, painful, and defiantly not easy to survive in. so we are pushing the limits while creating a safe and friendly environment- you can ask all the hundreds of students that participated in our SEAL programs and keep returning to our classes but we guess its much nicer seating behind the keyboard and *****ing about it than to get some sweat.

You are welcome to take our courses and prepare yourself better for reality, if you won't feel safe or more knowledgeable you'll get your money back on the spot.

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I just went thru the website.... there is a complete blackout of information on the instructors and their professional resumes / background...never a good sign. Flagging of femoral arteries with all those appendix carry draws while seated in the promo video...is that safe????

Just wondering what the creds of the instructors are...before I consider signing up.
Many people like appendix carry, so how do you suggest they draw while sitting? Or should they just stand up and make a big old F-in target of themselves.....?

As far as the video. I see a lot of value in that type of training. Sitting in a restaurant and someone blazes in with a gun..... your standing chatting with a friend and someone comes at you with a gun.....in both cases what are you going to do? If all you do is stand 7 yards from a target and fire one shot a second you are never going to be prepared..

As far as the safety of the training. Only you can make that determination..
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I don't think you guys are fair in bashing the video.

I watched the first one and while I agree that using a real kid is questionable, the specific skill is something that looks completely legit. I've never though about how I would shoot if I had to shoot past a kid and when I saw in the video that the guy physically restrains the kid out of the way with his support hand, a lightbulb went on. I guess you can say it's obvious, but it's obvious now because I saw it. The training would be there to teach you those elements of self defense that you might not think about and that you're certainly not going to figure out at the time of being attacked.

The "it's not realistic" comments are the USPSA vs. IDPA arguments - whether realistic or not, some skills have to be mastered.
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He’s told me some training stories of drills they took him through. I guess they skipped the “spastic reaction to cafeteria takeover,” and the “simultaneous one guy at each window of the car, but no one in front, so SHOOT YOUR WAY OUT!!!!!!!!” drills.
C'mon, that's like bashing El Presidente on the grounds that the three guys wouldn't be standing still while you reload.

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Fighting is messy, dirty, painful, and defiantly not easy to survive in. so we are pushing the limits while creating a safe and friendly environment- you can ask all the hundreds of students that participated in our SEAL programs and keep returning to our classes but we guess its much nicer seating behind the keyboard and *****ing about it than to get some sweat.



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This was taken in May 2018. that’s me in the green shirt.

That’s Larry Vickers in the middle. I took a 4 on 1 last month. Two days of pistol and carbine versus active shooter in an office setting or otherwise, and house clearing exercises. Four students total. It was Gogogo for about 9 hours a day twice.

You were saying about easier behind the keyboard?

Maybe if you explained what we are seeing and why it’s not extremely dangerous, you’d have better luck drawing students.

I’ve had many classes, and I’ve never shot past another student, let alone drawn a hot firearm when they are positioned between me and the target.

But I’m not an instructor. I don’t know it all, or even most of it. As the school, or its spokesman, I’d think that rather than taking swipes at people you’d explain yourself.

I realize that we train for what might happen, but we don’t have a real hostage stand in front of the bad guy to simulate an obscured target. Yes, that’s an exaggeration, but I’m trying to make a point.

But that’s just me.
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C'mon, that's like bashing El Presidente on the grounds that the three guys wouldn't be standing still while you reload.

Training is about learning individual skills...
El presidente is a speed drill, isn’t it? Two shots on three targets, twice, for time, forced reload. That’s a skill test, not a training scenario. I don’t think anyone said EP was “training for a scenario”.

I still think that doing THAT drill (not any drill) inside a vehicle is more dangerous than it needs to be. You could set up a chair or even a car seat and windowed barriers and engage the same way without the risk of hitting another person, or the inside of your car.

That was my second, and flip, reference to that drill. My first was more detailed. Do you think Having that kid in the car was necessary to the drill? Do you think it was safe? Would you let me borrow your kid to do it?

I only bashed the realism as an afterthought, because since I think it’s unnecesarily dangerous, I think the lack of realism becomes important.
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I don't think you guys are fair in bashing the video.

I watched the first one and while I agree that using a real kid is questionable, the specific skill is something that looks completely legit. I've never though about how I would shoot if I had to shoot past a kid and when I saw in the video that the guy physically restrains the kid out of the way with his support hand, a lightbulb went on. I guess you can say it's obvious, but it's obvious now because I saw it. The training would be there to teach you those elements of self defense that you might not think about and that you're certainly not going to figure out at the time of being attacked.

The "it's not realistic" comments are the USPSA vs. IDPA arguments - whether realistic or not, some skills have to be mastered.
Couldn’t you do the auto drill in a real car with a real kid with a blue gun? Block it out and learn the skill, then transition for live fire to something where the kid isn’t sitting there?
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Couldn’t you do the auto drill in a real car with a real kid with a blue gun? Block it out and learn the skill, then transition for live fire to something where the kid isn’t sitting there?
Agreed.

I'm pretty sure nobody in the class will be working with a real kid and a real gun at the same time. The video is promotional material...
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Seems like reasonable training to me, less the live child (use a dummy?). Poor kid's hearing protection was getting knocked off. This isn't Spetsnaz trust training here. LOL Really though, the kid isn't old enough to understand or give consent to participating in the potential dangers.

SD situations are dynamic. You need to be able to adapt to varying situations and I believe that is the goal of this level of training. It will be humbling to see where your failures are when you walk in with the "perfect SD situation" mindset.

Also, OCE's ongoing quest to demonize AIWB wherever he goes is still comical. I'm not sure if it's a CGN shtick or he really is on a crusade to convert others to his religious ways of carry.
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Do you think Having that kid in the car was necessary to the drill? Do you think it was safe? Would you let me borrow your kid to do it?
No, probably, no.

When you teach people to shoot, your face is typically a foot or two from the muzzle as you watch what they are doing and making sure they don't do something stupid.

When you draw during practice, you might have people very close to you as you are manipulating your gun at high speed. The perceived "safety" of that setup comes from familiarity and the fact that the muzzle never breaks 180 and never sweeps anyone.

In competition, people regularly shoot in "direction of other people" where the only "safety" is the invisible 180. In reality, it's just a few dozen degrees and one can often see the barrel of the gun.

Just being close to a firing gun isn't by itself unsafe. It depends a lot on the context. For example, if there is a new shooter on my squad, I will stay well clear of the 180 and will watch much more carefully for any sign of unsafe gun handling.

In case of the kid in the video, I'm pretty sure that nobody ever learns or trains with a live person like that. It's used only as a demonstration. As such, it appears to be safe as the gun is transitioned in a particular way, nobody is swept and the kid is physically restrained by the shooter.

Looks more like a hypothetical video for, say, USPSA where a guy would stand next to 180 while the shooter is shooting in his direction. Always safe? No. Safe in that particular instance? Probably.
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Yeah, and it is retarded. If a bad guy is going to pop up at point blank range before the guy in the car is aware of him, then most likely the guy in the car will be dead anyway.

Then, again the bar is pretty low for "tactical" instruction. Most of them over promise and under deliver.

However, I am sure it would draw the tacticool and wanna be operator crowd
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Jason Pike, our Navy SEAL Team 7 Veteran is leading this great course.

The scenarios you are seeing the short videos came from realistic incidents that happened that we analyzed again and again and created this class curriculum, we strive to keep our training realistic to prepare our student to real life, and to make sure you'll be able to protect yourself and your loved ones.

Fighting is messy, dirty, painful, and defiantly not easy to survive in. so we are pushing the limits while creating a safe and friendly environment- you can ask all the hundreds of students that participated in our SEAL programs and keep returning to our classes but we guess its much nicer seating behind the keyboard and *****ing about it than to get some sweat.

You are welcome to take our courses and prepare yourself better for reality, if you won't feel safe or more knowledgeable you'll get your money back on the spot.

Fight the way you train and train the way you fight.

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Hold on. You're teaching and training for real world scenarios, right? Did you intentionally teach your students to flag others, or were just more concerned about making a cool video?
I mean, sure, having a gun pointed at you kinda sucks. I've had it happen to me. I don't recommend it. But I guess you're trying to prepare your students for that realistic incident.
Y'all should follow your own advice. You're not keeping it simple.
Oh, and f*** the kid's hearing, right?
But you claim to be lead by a SEAL, so I guess that absolves you of the horrible safety violations.
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Lol, we did training shooting from a vehicle but they made us shoot from OUR own vehicles, any damage was strictly on us.

I don't see the need to shoot over a child like that, but what the heck, not my boy.
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Do I get like a mini trident if I participate and will real Navy Seals salute me when I walk by?

Geezus, guys.

Hiding the instructor’s bio makes people question things, particularly after posting a video with a few eyebrow raising tactics.

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