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Old 11-14-2017, 3:44 PM
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Well, make it hurt where it counts - the wallet.

http://cityofsancarlos.org

There, you can find information on the sales tax revenues of the city. They seem to get lots of it from the complex/locale where Turner's would open, Home Depot, REI, etc. Add to that restaurants and other stores, and the city (at least as of 2013), rakes in a good haul.

More information here:

http://california-sales-tax-rate.ins...386/San-Carlos

I realize that with those dollars, it might be pissing into the wind. But it beats doing nothing at all. There is nothing in San Carlos that I can't get from a neighboring town, and in some cases, with more convenience. I'll take my dollars elsewhere. That unfortunately includes I&S, but there is always collateral damage.
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Old 11-14-2017, 5:14 PM
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The City Counsel had no choice. You would know that if you were there or watched the meeting.
In the Beginning, there was an old lady who was there taking notes. She sat where she would be seen when anyone was at the speaker's podium and had a couple of people with her.
She was the same old lady who was at the San Jose City Counsel Meeting a few weeks back.
She is the central organizer who is doing the gathering of busy bodies for these counsel meetings.
She gets there early and has a stack of speakers to flood the beginning of the comments session.
This is a paid, organized effort. I just do not know who is behind all of this.
That will be a hard nut to crack.

But what is worse are the 2A supporters who get up to speak. They are mostly thoughtless in there deliberations and most of the time fall into the stereotype of the unruly gun nut.
I don't care if you are offended by that statement as we cannot go on screwing ourselves in these counsel meetings.
Heck, the guy in the large Pro gun sign was uncommunicative and down right creepy in his diatribe which made little sense with mostly disjointed babble (not unlike what you are reading now).

Oh and by the way, Matt Grocott just lost his next election. Not because he stood up for the 2A. But because he went against 90% of the citizens commenting at the meeting.

Also, who is Dave Truslow? I see him at the counsel meetings, standing up for the 2nd.

Again, almost all of the 2A supporters did more harm than good. Because of their appearance? Yes. But more so because of the lack of any coherent argument. And although it was nice to see some rebuttal from them, the delivery was truly pathetic.

I could not speak. I am a Campbell Resident.
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Old 11-14-2017, 7:54 PM
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The City Counsel had no choice. You would know that if you were there or watched the meeting.
In the Beginning, there was an old lady who was there taking notes. She sat where she would be seen when anyone was at the speaker's podium and had a couple of people with her.
She was the same old lady who was at the San Jose City Counsel Meeting a few weeks back.
She is the central organizer who is doing the gathering of busy bodies for these counsel meetings.
She gets there early and has a stack of speakers to flood the beginning of the comments session.
This is a paid, organized effort. I just do not know who is behind all of this.
That will be a hard nut to crack.

But what is worse are the 2A supporters who get up to speak. They are mostly thoughtless in there deliberations and most of the time fall into the stereotype of the unruly gun nut.
I don't care if you are offended by that statement as we cannot go on screwing ourselves in these counsel meetings.
Heck, the guy in the large Pro gun sign was uncommunicative and down right creepy in his diatribe which made little sense with mostly disjointed babble (not unlike what you are reading now).

Oh and by the way, Matt Grocott just lost his next election. Not because he stood up for the 2A. But because he went against 90% of the citizens commenting at the meeting.

Also, who is Dave Truslow? I see him at the counsel meetings, standing up for the 2nd.

Again, almost all of the 2A supporters did more harm than good. Because of their appearance? Yes. But more so because of the lack of any coherent argument. And although it was nice to see some rebuttal from them, the delivery was truly pathetic.

I could not speak. I am a Campbell Resident.
I largely agree with this (from what I saw - I've gone back and watched some of the beginning of the agenda item, too, but think there's still a gap I haven't seen). It was pretty clear to me that the pro-moratorium folks came off better, and were clearly better organized, than the relatively small percentage of folks who opposed the moratorium. The meeting, the votes, and some of the local social media commentary I've seen, would also seem to indicate that a good chunk (if not an outright majority - and probably a majority of those who vote regularly and would take note of this issue) of my fellow residents would absolutely support a total ban.

Also, I think it's clear the decisions were made in advance of the meeting and public comment -- they're not going to be swayed by 2 mins of public comment from individual citizens -- and I'm not sure they should be, unless the comments really take them by surprise (and then, given it was a moratorium to "study" the issue, they could kick the can down the road until the next meeting to reconsider). The work was done in advance with calls, emails, meetings, etc. where I suspect the ratio of pro-moratorium to anti-moratorium was even more lopsided and more convincing than what was seen at the meeting.

The sad thing for me is that I believe the message the council took is "ban firearms / ammunition sales" instead of "adopt some zoning measures to restrict the freedom to operate" in some manner. I don't think it is recoverable in any way at this point.

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Oh and by the way, Matt Grocott just lost his next election. Not because he stood up for the 2A. But because he went against 90% of the citizens commenting at the meeting.
Maybe. Directly challenging some of the diehards who stayed late for the vote probably helped recruit some organizers and create a movement to see him defeated next fall. But Grocott has been a libertarian / freedom-lover / contrarian for years -- I'd go so far as to say a thorn in the side of other elected leaders and city staff for many years. You might have seen some of the conflict / tension with staff during the meeting based on Grocott's questions and comments, and the responses. Because he's often a lone voice, he tends to scoop up every vote from anyone who has any "right" or quasi-libertarian views in any election. His voice resonates with a minority of the population, but he gets re-elected in part because he's the sole voice that resonates with folks with any sympathy to his views, and he gets every one of their votes. He's been on the council since 2001, but he might have a harder campaign this time around.

In response to the other poster's comment about pediatricians -- two thoughts: (1) clearly well-organized activism; and (2) there's a relatively new and LARGE health facility located in San Carlos operated by Sutter Health called PAMF (Palo Alto Medical Foundation) - opened a few years ago and is the second outpost for a large medical facility across from Stanford University in Palo Alto. Lots of docs who work in SC but who commute from up and down the Peninsula.

All just my amateur view as a long-time city resident but not one who is active in local politics or follows the council meetings regularly.
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Palo Alto Daily already claiming a victory against the evil NRA. Said too many anti 2a residents turned the views of the city council. I think we are screwed if we don’t learn to compose ourselves
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Turner's is a big business and should have been more on the ball with it. They have the money.
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Old 11-15-2017, 6:00 AM
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Turners did fine. Much better that I thought they would be. There was hardly any coherent support for them from the citizens.
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Old 11-16-2017, 12:01 AM
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I agree. I shop at Imbert and it’s hopefully an eye opener for them to keep their prices honest.

Personally, I’m more a fan of their used/consignment case.



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Agreed, maybe I&S will stop marking up their ammo by 70%!


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Old 11-16-2017, 12:15 AM
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All I've ever purchased there are some cleaning supplies and that's it. The counter staff do seem knowledgeable about selling actual firearms and I suspect that's where they make their money. I've been in there a few times when people were lined up, on the verge of shouting "take my money" as regards a firearm purchase.



That being said I am done with the actual purchase of firearms. So I won't be availing myself of that expertise in the foreseeable future. Their ammo is ridiculously marked up (no, I don't expect "online" prices but its nuts compared to Bass Pro pricing), so who knows what the cost would be next year (and I am pretty stocked up anyway). CLP can be found for cheaper down the road at Big 5.



Happy to have a gun store in town, but the vibe I get from I&S is frankly "we are the only game in town, we are gonna charge commensurately, you know it, we know it, nothing you can do about it, so suck it."



Which is fair, that's how capitalism works.



It also works that competition might change the vibe.


Agreed with most of this, been a long time customer of I&S consignment Guns as they have had some nice off roster ones at times & decent prices on them sometimes. That being said sadly their prices on everything else is pretty high to outrageous and they know it, hey cater a lot to those with so much money that they don’t care. I would love to see Turners come through and give us a second option, give Imberts competition on new Guns and ammo.


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Palo Alto Daily already claiming a victory against the evil NRA. Said too many anti 2a residents turned the views of the city council. I think we are screwed if we don’t learn to compose ourselves
Huh. I thought there were laws and regulations in place. If those are thrown out the window with a snowflake civic protest, I guess we are now distilled down to mob mentality.
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Agreed with most of this, been a long time customer of I&S consignment Guns as they have had some nice off roster ones at times & decent prices on them sometimes. That being said sadly their prices on everything else is pretty high to outrageous and they know it, hey cater a lot to those with so much money that they don’t care. I would love to see Turners come through and give us a second option, give Imberts competition on new Guns and ammo.


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The points that the antis made at the city council meeting on Monday could be just as easily directed against Imbert and Smithers.

Now that they know the City Council is on their side, they'll be going after I&S next.
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The points that the antis made at the city council meeting on Monday could be just as easily directed against Imbert and Smithers.



Now that they know the City Council is on their side, they'll be going after I&S next.


I’m sure they will or are now considering the smash & grab at Imberts earlier this year. Combination of antis and NIMBY


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Turners has probably done their homework. I wouldn't give the anti-gun store folks much chance, especially considering it sells many kinds of sporting goods, not just guns.
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Still want to know who that old bitty was sitting in view of the camera angle.
Also wondering who gave them the AR with the red circle going through it?
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Fine.

Could they finally open a location in Burbank and/or Beverly Hills?

Neither are LA City and they would not have to be victims to LA City's special ordinances, and yet be in close proximity to LA City, with few surrounding competition and demographics with big money to spend.

A Beverly Hills Turners with a sideline of catering to higher-end collectible firearms than any of their other chain carry, would be a unique turn for the store.

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