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Here's something else I found:
California Restraining Order, Page 2: Quote:
LESSON FOR GUNOWNERS: If you have the misfortune of being hit with a Restraining Order(e.g bitter ex), ACT FAST TO GET RID OF YOUR GUNS. Or you could be charged with a FELONY. Perhaps even MULTIPLE felonies if you have more than one gun. Last edited by G-dude; 04-30-2007 at 4:18 PM.. |
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Removed my post... Just going to keep my mouth shut.
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Don't gun shops already do that regularly? I know mine does. Take possession and hold, then you retrieve; or if the restraining order isn't removed or you so choose we simply buy them outright or transfer them to whoever you arrange to sell them to.
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Well, as regards the Restraining Order, it's been already reported in the KCAL TV News report, so it's seems it's common knowledge now. The reporter mentioned it was the school that took out the restraining order and explained that Mr. Corwin cannot come within X amount of feet of school grounds while it's in effect.
So we now know it was the school. It's a pretty easy assumption for me how they got it: DA or Police Official: "Mr. School Dean, we have found a cache of weapons and we believe this student may pose a threat to your school and fellow students. We strongly advise you to seek out a restraining order for your safety and the school's." School Dean: "OK." Last edited by G-dude; 04-30-2007 at 4:34 PM.. |
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That is completley stupid...... If he poses a threat to the school... i.e. he is going to shoot up fellow students... do you actually think a restraining order will stop him??
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I'm just curious how you would comply and what the compliance period would be if you remain in custody.
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I didn't think you could take out a restraining order just because you didn't like someone's looks -- or what weapons he owns. I thought there was more of a burden of proof than that.
How many times have you heard the police say they can't take out a restraining order until something happens? This whole thing stinks to high heaven! |
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I'm not suggesting anyone break the law so don't get bent out of shape, this is just a theoretical question. So lets say you find out you got a RO on you, and then you immediately call up your good buddy who lives way out in the boonies who takes them all for you. Couldn't you potentially get away with this because that means they have to research what you had and ask you where they all are. I mean you could say they were all stolen awhile back. Than if your lucky and the judge or DA thinks its not important, they'll forget about it and when the RO is finally done and gone (hopefully) you can go to said buddy and collect. I'm sure this has happened in the past.
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It's even doubly stupid, considering he is ALREADY in custody I can only assume that Prosecutors or LE Officials pushed for the restraining order knowing full well that would strip him of his firearms. And that's probably their ultimate goal in this case, wether they will continue to seek felony charges or not. Last edited by G-dude; 04-30-2007 at 5:15 PM.. |
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You are better off going to a friend and selling him everything. Just pay a buttload of ppt fees. |
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ABSOLUTELY!!!
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Thanks Wes.... I doubt any firearms remained at the house.... the cops are good at things like that.
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I talked to my wife. I've got a little kitty started, I'm going to sacrifice buying a motor for my new track-bike build for a while. I'll keep accumulating what little I can for the cause.
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If they are serious,
Someone here should contact his lawyers FAST and let them know there is an FFL available that will accept any guns that weren't already confiscated. HE HAS 24 HOURS FROM TODAY TO GET RID OF THEM AND & 72 HOURS TO PROVIDE PROOF TO A JUDGE THAT HE HAS. I agree, though, that they're all probably already in police custody. |
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Just caught the tail end of a KFI newsbit, reporter Eric Leonard said that all of the rifles found in BWO's possession can be legally bought in California.
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:thumbup Nice!
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Wow..... Been reading through this thread. I was up in Tahoe this weekend for my wedding anniversary and wasn't around my computer for most of the time. Looks like a lot has been happening......
I was just getting ready to send him a pair of NV goggles I have when I returned..... Glad I didn't do it before I left as the pricks in the media probably would have been plastering "evil night vision" and "military equipment" on the news..... I hate the media.
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In any Felony case its 60 days from arraignment, even if the defendant is in custody. In any infraction or misdemeanor case its 45 days unless the defendant is in custody, in which case its 30 days. Considering this is a felony case, the 60 day rule applies. Also, there is a 10 day leeway to the speedy trial doctrine. For a defendant to have a case dismissed on these grounds he must also show how the delay prejudiced the case. Not nearly as cut and dry as you explained. This has all been hashed out through the Appellate Courts. Another point to take note of is the DA can simply drop the charges if he is coming close to the deadline and refile later. There is nothing that prohibits the DA from refiling the case at a future date as long as the statute of limitations has not run out.
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I guess we'll all know more soon enough. Now that he has legal representation and things are moving forward, I don't expect we'll know any "facts" until they go back to court.
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It seems you are partially correct. You can have a friend collect them. However, "the [BATF] approved method of storage is with an attorney, with the police or sheriff, or with an approved firearms dealer." You CANNOT, it seems, CANNOT HAVE A FRIEND HOLD THEM. From Restraining Order Facts: Quote:
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You quoted the law and it says "to purchase, acquire, or be in possession of firearms, ammunition, or other dangerous weapons". If one places them in a locked safe at a friend's house that meets the criterian of the law. Not to say that the "approved" way would not be better legally.... it does not change the fact. P.S. Cal DOJ does not approve of Off-list firearms.... but the law says otherwise.
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I think the CADOJ has said, through many letters, that OLL's are legal. They just disagree with us as to how, if at all, they can be built up. You know...the old paper weight theory...
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You show me a DOJ letter that says one thing, and I will show you one that says the opposite..
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Well, the fact that we are able to purchase OLL's in this state is clear evidence that the CADOJ does approve.
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In two weeks, I'll show you one that says neither existed.
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Just wanted clarification for myself and others. God forbid anyone here find themselves in a similar situation and has to face a 5 year mandatory sentence(!) for getting a technicality wrong. BTW, I'm a new member, but as a lurker I've enjoyed very much yours and FreedomIsNotFree's posts. You've both been very educational, along with this entire site, for me. Last edited by G-dude; 04-30-2007 at 6:39 PM.. |
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The only thing I've seen the DOJ concede is that OLLs are legal. Everytime someone asks about a specific build or creative grip or something, they just cut and paste the law and say something about "58 DAs"
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<edit> Ima gonna keep the rest of what I thought at bay. Make them work for it.
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