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They are here: https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.ne...pdf?1517438166

Spoiler alert - All self serialized 80% lower builds need to be registered.

Please read the whole thing but here is a clear excerpt:

5509. Persons Affected by These Regulations.
Subdivision (a) clarifies that these regulations apply to an individual who owns a self- manufactured or self-assembled firearm as of July 1, 2018. This subdivision is necessary because it states who is being regulated. The Department seeks to record the existence of all self- manufactured or self-assembled firearms that currently exist in the state of California. This subdivision is necessary to indicate the Department’s intent to the public of its objective to record all self-manufactured or self-assembled firearms in California.”

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What page? Or, can you copy and paste that section?
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OP, I would recommend that you read section 5508 specifically section (a) and then read CA PC 23910 and look for where the word "or" appears with respect to the terms "other mark of identification."
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They are here: https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.ne...pdf?1517438166

Spoiler alert - All self serialized 80% lower builds need to be registered.
Spoiler alert, I don't think you are correct!

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Article 3. Self-assembled Firearms Not Affected by this Chapter.
§ 5508. Firearms Not Affected by This Chapter Pursuant to Penal Code Section 29181.
The following firearms are not affected by these regulations and do not have to be recorded with
the Department:
Page 4 of 14
(a) A self-manufactured or self-assembled firearm containing a serial number assigned to it
pursuant to Penal Code section 23910 or pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921)
of Part 1 of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(b) A firearm that was self-manufactured or self-assembled prior to December 16, 1968, as
long as the firearm is not a handgun.
(c) A firearm that was entered into the centralized registry with the Department prior to July 1,
2018, pursuant to Penal Code section 11106. Such a firearm contains a serial number or other
mark of identification assigned by the individual who manufactured or assembled the firearm
and reported the serial number or mark of identification to the Department so that it is on file
with the Department.
(1) This serial number or mark of identification is typically one that was created by the
individual who manufactured or assembled the firearm; therefore, it is not a serial number
or mark of identification that was issued by the Department.
(2) This serial number or other mark of identification shall be engraved, cast, stamped
(impressed), or permanently placed on the firearm in a conspicuous location.
(d) A firearm containing a serial number pursuant to Chapter 53 of Title 26 of the United States
Code and regulations issued pursuant thereto. Hence, if the individual’s firearm already has a
serial number issued to it by a Federal Firearms Licensee, whether it is an already functionally
complete firearm or just a receiver or frame by itself, the individual does not have to reapply for
a Department-issued unique serial number.

(e) A firearm that is a curio, relic, or an antique firearm.
Note: Authority cited: Section 29182, Penal Code. Reference: Sections 11106, 23910, 29180,
29181 and 29182, Penal Code.
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However, this is interesting and conflicts with their AW regs:

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§ 5506. Firearms for Which No Unique Serial Numbers Will Be Provided.
The Department will not provide serial numbers for self-manufactured or self-assembled
prohibited weapons pursuant to Penal Code section 16590, an assault weapon, a machine gun
pursuant to Penal Code section 16880, a .50 BMG rifle pursuant to Penal Code section 30530, a
destructive device pursuant to Penal Code section 16460, a short barreled rifle pursuant to Penal
Code section 17170, or a short barreled shotgun pursuant to Penal Code section 17180.
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§ 5472. Registration of Assault Weapons Pursuant to Penal Code Section 30900(b)(1); Weapons That Will Not Be Registered as Assault Weapons.
(a) The Department will not register as an assault weapon a firearm unless it was lawfully possessed on or before December 31, 2016.
(b) The Department will not register a firearm that was required to be registered under prior assault weapon registration laws in effect before January 1, 2017. These weapons include, but are not limited to, firearms known as “named assault weapons” and are listed in Penal Code section 30510 and sections 5495 and 5499 of Chapter 40.
(c) The Department will not register a firearm as an assault weapon if the firearm is featureless, except for bullet-button shotguns as described in section 5470(d).
(d) The Department will not register a firearm as an assault weapon if the firearm has a fixed magazine that holds ten rounds or less.
(e) The Department will not register a firearm as an assault weapon unless the firearm is fully assembled and fully functional.
(f) The Department will not register as an assault weapon a firearm manufactured by a federally-licensed manufacturer if the firearm does not have a serial number applied pursuant to federal law.
(g) The Department will not register as an assault weapon a FMBUS if the firearm does not have a serial number assigned by the Department and applied by the owner or agent pursuant to section 5474.2.
Whoever writes these codes must be a complete moron if me, the untrained individual with no education in the field of law can find such a simple conflict within the first five minutes of reading the new code.
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I will say again that I hope I am wrong but the exemptions cited above apply to serials applied by FFLs who were licensed manufacturers or in the case of chapter 53 Title 6 on a machine gun.

You should read the whole document but here is a choice section that is pretty all-encompasing:

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(a) An individual who owns a self-manufactured or self-assembled firearm that has not yet been recorded with the Department shall:

(1) Beginning on July 1, 2018, apply to the Department to request a unique serial number to record the firearm with the Department. The individual shall submit an electronic application to request a serial number for the self-manufactured or self-assembled firearm to the Department before January 1, 2019.

I am sure the real attorneys will clarify now that these regs are out and I do hope I am wrong. I am not gonna reply to the next 100 messages but there is a 1200 post thread on the How CA Law Applies section where these possible exemptions have been discussed.
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Yea it looks like their is no exemption for being who have engraved their firearms via ATF specs.

I hope this is not the case as my 1911 80% build already looks ugly with the ATF engravings
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Of course, penal code 29181 clearly exempts many self built firearms from being required to "register" or tell DOJ anything about them. Simply marking them pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Part 1 of Title 18 of the United States Code is one CLEAR exemption. Of course, there are other exemptions listed too so, the claim that ALL self serialized firearms need to be registered is just plain wrong.

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29181. Section 29180 does not apply to or affect any of the following:
(a) A firearm that has a serial number assigned to it pursuant to either Section 23910 or Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Part 1 of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(b) A firearm made or assembled prior to December 16, 1968, that is not a handgun.
(c) A firearm which was entered into the centralized registry set forth in Section 11106 prior to July 1, 2018, as being owned by a specific individual or entity if that firearm has assigned to it a distinguishing number or mark of identification because the department accepted entry of that firearm into the centralized registry.
(d) A firearm that has a serial number assigned to it pursuant to Chapter 53 of Title 26 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(e) A firearm that is a curio or relic, or an antique firearm, as those terms are defined in Section 479.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations.
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Yea it looks like their is no exemption for being who have engraved their firearms via ATF specs.

I hope this is not the case as my 1911 80% build already looks ugly with the ATF engravings
That's already in the penal code so, why would they include it in the regulations when they can get people to blindly believe that they have to register them?
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However, this is interesting and conflicts with their AW regs:





Whoever writes these codes must be a complete moron if me, the untrained individual with no education in the field of law can find such a simple conflict within the first five minutes of reading the new code.
this is California after all what else would anyone expect from the DOJ.
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I agree with familyfarm... a self assigned serial number that is VolReg’d is ok, but you can’t just engrave it and not report it.

Read the Purpose & Necessity section starting on page 24 if you have any doubt... here are some selected quotes on the Purpose of these regulations:

Page 24, Purpose of section 5505:
“This section clarifies that these regulations apply to two groups of individuals: (1) those who presently own self-manufactured or self-assembled firearms that are not recorded with the Department...”

Page 27, Purpose of section 5508:
“Subdivision (d) establishes that a firearm containing a serial number already issued to it by a Federal Firearms Licensee is exempt from the unique serial number requirement”

And to put the nail in the coffin.... also on page 27

“5509. Persons Affected by These Regulations.
Subdivision (a) clarifies that these regulations apply to an individual who owns a self- manufactured or self-assembled firearm as of July 1, 2018. This subdivision is necessary because it states who is being regulated. The Department seeks to record the existence of all self- manufactured or self-assembled firearms that currently exist in the state of California. This subdivision is necessary to indicate the Department’s intent to the public of its objective to record all self-manufactured or self-assembled firearms in California.”
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I agree with familyfarm... a self assigned serial number that is VolReg’d is ok, but you can’t just engrave it and not report it.

Read the Purpose & Necessity section starting on page 24 if you have any doubt... here are some selected quotes on the Purpose of these regulations:

Page 24, Purpose of section 5505:
“This section clarifies that these regulations apply to two groups of individuals: (1) those who presently own self-manufactured or self-assembled firearms that are not recorded with the Department...”

Page 27, Purpose of section 5508:
“Subdivision (d) establishes that a firearm containing a serial number already issued to it by a Federal Firearms Licensee is exempt from the unique serial number requirement”

And to put the nail in the coffin.... also on page 27

“5509. Persons Affected by These Regulations.
Subdivision (a) clarifies that these regulations apply to an individual who owns a self- manufactured or self-assembled firearm as of July 1, 2018. This subdivision is necessary because it states who is being regulated. The Department seeks to record the existence of all self- manufactured or self-assembled firearms that currently exist in the state of California. This subdivision is necessary to indicate the Department’s intent to the public of its objective to record all self-manufactured or self-assembled firearms in California.”
Are these regs actually approved? They appear to be adding a lot of BS that is nowhere to be found in the law that was passed.
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How does this stop criminals?
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How does this stop criminals?
It manufacturers them.
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This is the initial submission of regulations through the APA process (eg seeking public comment). So they aren’t official yet but will be in some months after they go through the motions required by APA.
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OP, I would recommend that you read section 5508 specifically section (a) and then read CA PC 23910 and look for where the word "or" appears with respect to the terms "other mark of identification."
Aren't the "or other mark of identification" parts of 23910 just referring to either:
a) "whenever the firearm lacks" as a qualifying condition for when the DOJ may assign a serial number
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b) "been destroyed or obliterated" as a qualifying condition for when the DOJ shall assign a serial number?

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Can the time requirements and expiration if serial numbers if not applied be an over reach and ripe for a challenge?
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I could be wrong, but I think the OP wants to focus on properly (ATF) self-serialized ARs built into (non-AW) featureless or fixed mag, assuming the serial number was engraved by the proper date, etc.
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So I build a rifle before the 2014 reg by serial number out of a 80% and get it engraved. At the same time I build another rifle on a Long gun regged lower. Does it also have to be reported? Don’t know if I’m making sense here. But if the intention is to have records for “criminal acts” and the answe is no (to regging a long gun regged lower) how will the bull shiz new law help again?

From what I know before the 2014 serial number regging on Long guns.... the shop ffl was only directed to keep papers for 7 years (I stand corrected if wrong). So if I bought a lower back in 2005 there would be no paper trail on it if the shop decided to shred paper work no longer needed. How does all this crap even add up! Boy living in CA is almost requiring a full time effen lawyer by your side to just let you know when you can whipe your *****!! Then again I seem to be over thinking it hahaha!
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I believe some of you are looking in the wrong part of the regs. See below:

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§ 5508. Firearms Not Affected by This Chapter Pursuant to Penal Code Section 29181.

The following firearms are not affected by these regulations and do not have to be recorded with the Department:

(a) A self-manufactured or self-assembled firearm containing a serial number assigned to it pursuant to Penal Code section 23910 or pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Part 1 of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.

(b) A firearm that was self-manufactured or self-assembled prior to December 16, 1968, as long as the firearm is not a handgun.

(c) A firearm that was entered into the centralized registry with the Department prior to July 1, 2018, pursuant to Penal Code section 11106. Such a firearm contains a serial number or other mark of identification assigned by the individual who manufactured or assembled the firearm and reported the serial number or mark of identification to the Department so that it is on file with the Department.

(1) This serial number or mark of identification is typically one that was created by the individual who manufactured or assembled the firearm; therefore, it is not a serial number or mark of identification that was issued by the Department.
(2) This serial number or other mark of identification shall be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed), or permanently placed on the firearm in a conspicuous location.

(d) A firearm containing a serial number pursuant to Chapter 53 of Title 26 of the United States Code and regulations issued pursuant thereto. Hence, if the individual’s firearm already has a serial number issued to it by a Federal Firearms Licensee, whether it is an already functionally complete firearm or just a receiver or frame by itself, the individual does not have to reapply for a Department-issued unique serial number.

(e) A firearm that is a curio, relic, or an antique firearm.
Basically, even if you applied your own serial number before 7/1/18, you still need to volreg the rifle. This has nothing to do with AW registration.
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I think you are trying to say,

A. In 2005 you machined a 80% lower and built a fully functioning rifle.

B. In 2005 you DROS'ed a stripped lower and built a fully functioning rifle.

Do the proposed regulations require you to register both A & B or just A.




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So I build a rifle before the 2014 reg by serial number out of a 80% and get it engraved. At the same time I build another rifle on a Long gun regged lower. Does it also have to be reported? Don’t know if I’m making sense here. But if the intention is to have records for “criminal acts” and the answe is no (to regging a long gun regged lower) how will the bull shiz new law help again?

From what I know before the 2014 serial number regging on Long guns.... the shop ffl was only directed to keep papers for 7 years (I stand corrected if wrong). So if I bought a lower back in 2005 there would be no paper trail on it if the shop decided to shred paper work no longer needed. How does all this crap even add up! Boy living in CA is almost requiring a full time effen lawyer by your side to just let you know when you can whipe your *****!! Then again I seem to be over thinking it hahaha!
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That's already in the penal code so, why would they include it in the regulations when they can get people to blindly believe that they have to register them?
You’re relying on an exemption they intend only for FFLs.

The CA DOJ has the authority to “help the public” interpret the penal code by giving us more detailed regulations.

If there was any doubt their regulations make clear the exemption you’re relying on is only applicable to FFL holding manufacturers. Not self builders.

You can still think that is not what the CA legislature intended, but legally it is CA DOJs job to tell us what they intended and they do that through these regulations. We can not like it. But it still comes with the force of law.
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I think you are trying to say,

A. In 2005 you machined a 80% lower and built a fully functioning rifle.

B. In 2005 you DROS'ed a stripped lower and built a fully functioning rifle.

Do the proposed regulations require you to register both A & B or just A.
If you have a store bought lower or rifle that came with a serial number, that serial number was applied by the FFL manufacturer.

It does not matter when it was bought. Before or after CA starting keeping Long gun records in their database (AFS) in 2014, it doesn’t matter.

Anything that was “professionally” serialized is exempt from all this stuff, you don’t need to volreg or do anything else.

Now if you self serialized an 80% “to ATF specs” these regulations make clear that exemption only applies to FFL manufacturers... so you either need to volreg your self made up serial number now before July 2018 or the only legal option left will be to apply for a CA DOJ issued serial number and follow the process outlined in these regulations.
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You’re relying on an exemption they intend only for FFLs.

The CA DOJ has the authority to “help the public” interpret the penal code by giving us more detailed regulations.

If there was any doubt their regulations make clear the exemption you’re relying on is only applicable to FFL holding manufacturers. Not self builders.

You can still think that is not what the CA legislature intended, but legally it is CA DOJs job to tell us what they intended and they do that through these regulations. We can not like it. But it still comes with the force of law.
Why do you think that exemption is "intended for FFLs"? The Penal Code doesn't say anything about that. In fact, it's already REQUIRED for FFLs on a Federal level so, I think it was intended for non FFLs.
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Of course, penal code 29181 clearly exempts many self built firearms from being required to "register" or tell DOJ anything about them. Simply marking them pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Part 1 of Title 18 of the United States Code is one CLEAR exemption. Of course, there are other exemptions listed too so, the claim that ALL self serialized firearms need to be registered is just plain wrong.
With chapter 44 only addressing licensed individuals adding serial numbers

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18 USC 923(i) Licensed importers and licensed manufacturers shall identify by means of a serial number engraved or cast on the receiver or frame of the weapon, in such manner as the Attorney General shall by regulations prescribe, each firearm imported or manufactured by such importer or manufacturer.
one could assert that marking by unlicensed individuals does not satisfy

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11 CCR 5508(a) A self-manufactured or self-assembled firearm containing a serial number assigned to it pursuant to Penal Code section 23910 or pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Part 1 of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
because we weren't acting as directed by a law which doesn't apply to us, with

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11 CCR 5508(c) A firearm that was entered into the centralized registry with the Department prior to July 1, 2018, pursuant to Penal Code section 11106. Such a firearm contains a serial number or other mark of identification assigned by the individual who manufactured or assembled the firearm and reported the serial number or mark of identification to the Department so that it is on file with the Department.
covering unlicensed individuals implying 11 CCR 5508(a) is only for federal licensees.

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I think you are trying to say,

A. In 2005 you machined a 80% lower and built a fully functioning rifle.

B. In 2005 you DROS'ed a stripped lower and built a fully functioning rifle.

Do the proposed regulations require you to register both A & B or just A.
Damn I did over think it!!! Hahaha! But yes what you posted.

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This isnt abt serializing yourself or not or whether you have an AW, its about FORCED registration of ALL homebuilt weapons period, regardless of how its configured; featureless, fixed mag or AW. If you built from an 80% you have to serialize and register it.

This is direct violation of federal law. ATF DOES NOT require homebuilt to do any of this why does the state get to override?

Its right there on the first page! "The provisions of these regulations shall apply to an individual who owns a self-manufactured or self-assembled firearm before July 1, 2018 that is not recorded with the Department of Justice (Department),"
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What form do we use for voluntary registration? BOF form 1008 is for those that want the register our 80%'s as AW's
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You must register through the CFARS system as far as I know. Thats what I did. They want photos and all kids of BS and I am not aware of a paper method but would love to know of someone who was successful this way.
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Why do you think that exemption is "intended for FFLs"? The Penal Code doesn't say anything about that. In fact, it's already REQUIRED for FFLs on a Federal level so, I think it was intended for non FFLs.
The CA penal code refers to the Federal code. The federal code section they're referring to is about the rules for FFLs...

i.e., Because of This:

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With chapter 44 only addressing licensed individuals adding serial numbers
one could assert that marking by unlicensed individuals does not satisfy
And if you have any doubt, their regulations spell it out that it is only for FFLs i.e., its basically exempting store bought guns, so also because of this:

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Page 27, Purpose of section 5508:
“Subdivision (d) establishes that a firearm containing a serial number already issued to it by a Federal Firearms Licensee is exempt from the unique serial number requirement”
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Are we going to get a CRPA or some other group will money to pay lawyers to give us a legal opinion as we got when they put out the AW regs?
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What form do we use for voluntary registration? BOF form 1008 is for those that want the register our 80%'s as AW's
Negative. Form BOF 1008 is to request a serial number, currently only used for assault weapons. Form BOF 4542A is to voluntarily register any firearm by mail. And CFARS for online registration.
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The CA penal code refers to the Federal code. The federal code section they're referring to is about the rules for FFLs...
And that code is Federally enforced for ANY firearm that is being transferred, including home builds. So, historically, the code has been enforced on unlicensed builders of self built firearms for decades.
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And that code is Federally enforced for ANY firearm that is being transferred, including home builds. So, historically, the code has been enforced on unlicensed builders of self built firearms for decades.
Again, the regulations say its only for FFL holders.
CA DOJ gets to interpret the CA penal code for us, that is what regulations are for.
So you can not like their interpretation, but their interpretation is what I'm explaining to you, and their interpretation will come with the force of law behind it.
I don't want others to read this and think your interpretation could be correct. As a matter of law, it will not be.
As a matter of "are you really right and that's not what the CA legislature intended," sure, you may be right. But it doesn't matter outside of philosophical debates, because the regulations spell out what I'm explaining.
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And that code is Federally enforced for ANY firearm that is being transferred, including home builds. So, historically, the code has been enforced on unlicensed builders of self built firearms for decades.
This seems like it would be akin to converting (pre-2015 of course) an AR pistol from single shot to semi-auto because of SSE1 being widely accepted by the CA DOJ because they failed to prosecute anyone for manufacturing an "unsafe handgun". Not sure this would be a great defense if you ever had to go to trial, but it certainly might dissuade a DA from filing charges.
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This seems like it would be akin to converting (pre-2015 of course) an AR pistol from single shot to semi-auto because of SSE1 being widely accepted by the CA DOJ because they failed to prosecute anyone for manufacturing an "unsafe handgun". Not sure this would be a great defense if you ever had to go to trial, but it certainly might dissuade a DA from filing charges.
I see it as the opposite of that. The feds have been enforcing markings on home builds for decades not just ignoring them. I think my argument is much stronger than the converting a SSE to a semi auto. BTW, why only "pre-2015"? It's still legal to buy a SSE single shot AR pistol in CA today. In fact, it's easier than buying most off roster handguns.
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This law is in direct conflict with ATF rules and the previous California law. As worded, It seems to be a defacto registration to firearms made before 2014.( when registration wasn't necessary. Their need s to be an exemption to any firearm built before 01/01/2014. Otherwise they could interpret the law to apply to any firearm that isn't currently registered and in their system. This is just a money and power grab by the DOJ. Im t sure if anyone is currently challenging this, but they better get on it before it is set in stone.
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