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Old 08-10-2018, 1:57 AM
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I am in England and own a l/h walnut tx200mk3 hc with a silencer/moderator fitted . Would this be illegal to bring with me if I move to California in the near future . Whilst it is fixed by screwthread and locktite it could be removed .
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Must have nuzzle brake if semi auto. No silencers/suppressors in Kommiefornia. If you drink tea you are not allowed in Ca. We tossed the limeys out in1776 (LOL) Ojh darn it is an airgun come on over you will fit in well..
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Must have nuzzle brake if semi auto. No silencers/suppressors in Kommiefornia. If you drink tea you are not allowed in Ca. We tossed the limeys out in1776 (LOL) Ojh darn it is an airgun come on over you will fit in well..
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Silencers are perfectly legal on airguns in the US including in California. There may be an issue with importing one from outside of the country, I don't know for sure. There is no muzzle brake requirement.
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Actually, be very careful about bringing ANYTHING resembling a weapon through customs. You are talking about a major deal going through customs and entering another country. You might have to look into it further. While perfectly legal in CA, bringing items (even legal items) into another country is a pain.
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Actually, be very careful about bringing ANYTHING resembling a weapon through customs. You are talking about a major deal going through customs and entering another country. You might have to look into it further. While perfectly legal in CA, bringing items (even legal items) into another country is a pain.
True. It may be less hassle to just ship it.
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True. It may be less hassle to just ship it.
It still has to go through customs.
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It still has to go through customs.
Yeah but at least you're not sitting in an interrogation room at the airport while it gets sorted out.
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Cheers all , I guess it will stay here .
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Silencers are perfectly legal on airguns in the US including in California. There may be an issue with importing one from outside of the country, I don't know for sure. There is no muzzle brake requirement.
Correct.
I have a HW 97K and it too has a shhhhhhh built in. Bought it and love it.
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You can get real hi-power airguns here pretty cheap. Buy one here. Just go down to Walmart and walk out with it.
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I thought any airgun suppressor had to be a built-in and permanently attached to the barrel. That's why all the airguns with suppressors sold in the US only come that way from the factory and you cannot remove them without damaging the rifle.
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I thought any airgun suppressor had to be a built-in and permanently attached to the barrel. That's why all the airguns with suppressors sold in the US only come that way from the factory and you cannot remove them without damaging the rifle.
Only the cheap crap from Walmart and stuff built by certain hand wringing Calgunners...
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Only the cheap crap from Walmart and stuff built by certain hand wringing Calgunners...
Educate me then. Show me a threaded barrel airgun that I'm legally allowed to purchase a suppressor for and install it here in Kalifornia.
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Educate me then. Show me a threaded barrel airgun that I'm legally allowed to purchase a suppressor for and install it here in Kalifornia.
Your attitude is all wrong. It's like you're trying to invent reasons to make something illegal. Find 'em yourself.
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The key words are "threaded barrel". Most air rifles have a shroud and that is the part that is threaded, NOT the barrel.
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Recommended reading.

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I can't sum this up any better than to say I've been summing it up all along. The airgun silencer issue is complex, convoluted and anything but clear. If someone tries to convince you otherwise, don't listen to another word they say.
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The United States does not, contrary to popular belief, ''ban'' silencers/suppressors. A person cannot
purchase, construct or use one without a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms permit. Some states, however, do
ban the sale and use of suppressors- even if a permit for one has been issued to an individual by the BATF (California is an
example of this)- so check your local laws before assuming if you obtain a permit you're ''legal.''

Also note: ANY device that could potentially be used to reduce the muzzle report of what is classified as a ''firearm''
requires a BATF permit, where allowed. This means that just because you may construct your own suppressor and attach
it to an airgun (not a firearm) you shouldn't be comfortable in assuming you are in compliance with the law. If the BATF can
construe that it may be removed (even if by cutting/slicing or otherwise damaging or destroying the airgun to which
it is attached) and then used on a regular firearm- it would be illegal. Please note, the BATF has construed the reading
of the regulations this way more than a few times.

A specifically relevant section of the U.S. National Firearms Act (NFA), 1968 that has been clarified by the BATF:

(M30) Are Paintball and/or Airgun Sound Suppressers NFA firearms?

The terms ''firearm silencer'' and ''firearm muffler'' mean any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable
firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or fabricating a firearm
silencer or firearm muffler, and any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication.

Numerous paintball and airgun silencers tested by ATF's Firearms Technology Branch have been determined to be, by nature
of their design and function, firearm silencers. Because silencers are NFA classified weapons, an individual wishing to manufacture
or transfer such a silencer must receive prior approval from ATF and pay the required tax.

If I have any further questions as to the classification of a paintball or airgun silencer, who should I contact?

Please send a written request to ATF's Firearms Technology Branch.

[18 U.S.C. 921(a)(24), 26 U.S.C. 5845(a), 27 CFR 479.11]

In order to legally acquire and/or use any sound suppression device, an application to the BATF must be made. This application
has a $200.00 fee (plus a surtax) that is payable irregardless as to whether or not someone is ultimately approved or not
approved to receive the permit. Visit the BATF for specific details on the application process: Click Here
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Are they removable?

So many airguns come with built-in silencers these days, the question becomes, “Can they be removed and installed on a firearm?” If they can and if they reduce the sound of that firearm for even one shot, they meet the definition of a silencer and must be registered. People discuss this to absurdity! Because anything CAN be done. The question is whether or not it can be done relatively easily so there’s a real danger.

This is why I’ve stressed so strongly that buying a silenced airgun from Pyramyd Air is your safety net. They know which manufacturers have produced approved airguns that are quiet. They also know the airguns that the BATF&E might question, and they won’t sell those.
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Hand wringing calgunner case in point.
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Hand wringing calgunner case in point.
And the OP is asking for legal advice. If you think telling him to go ahead and bring his airgun mounted with a detachable suppressor into the US and through customs is sound legal advice, you're an idiot.

You're going to get him thrown into a federal pen while you sit back and read about his trial in the news from your easy chair eating popcorn.
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And the OP is asking for legal advice. If you think telling him to go ahead and bring his airgun mounted with a detachable suppressor into the US and through customs is sound legal advice, you're an idiot.

You're going to get him thrown into a federal pen while you sit back and read about his trial in the news from your easy chair eating popcorn.
I told him nothing of the sort. Quite the opposite in fact. You're clearly a regulation junkie who enjoys inventing ways to restrict himself. Bully for you.
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Some of us travel the world with our airguns to compete as well as hunt, customs is not a problem it's how the gun is packed. That rifle is legal to transport here in California. Remove scope, degass the gun and pack in lockable pelican case. An Airgun "LDC" not silencer and can't be used on a firearm, it doesn't fit and won't work.
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Thanks for all the advice . I already have a rws350 magnum at my girlfriend's place in California and a daisy buck . The air arms is my favourite however , I shall move it on before I travel . Cheers everyone .
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Hand wringing calgunner case in point.
Says the ignorant member.

If there’s a legal risk or hurdles that need to be gotten over, one needs to know about them and understand them so he can make intelligent decisions.
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Educate me then. Show me a threaded barrel airgun that I'm legally allowed to purchase a suppressor for and install it here in Kalifornia.
http://www.airgunsofarizona.com/prec...walnut-pistol/
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