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Old 09-16-2020, 3:54 PM
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I have too much rimfire. Who wants to give me ONE MILLION DOLLARS for some CCI Mini-Mags?
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Turners in Stockton, Calif had 308 ball wolf steel case poly coated 12.00 a box and Aguila brass case for 21.00 a box just this past saturday, the 12th. I picked up one each to replace what I burned last month in Nevada. Nice guys to work with there. My 9mm and 38/357 is ok so far. All of the other stuff I set on it like a miser !

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You can find it...you just have to know where to look. I buy .40, 9mm, .223, 5.56, .38 special, etc at various places every couple of days. Pick the same 3-4 shops and frequent them and get to know the staff. If you build rapport quickly, they'll drop hints on when to come in. If you're really lucky, they'll text you when the truck drops pallets before they put it on the floor.
Your gas, time, and wear and tear should be accounted for in the total price. They are not sunk costs. If it saves you 1 trip it may even out or cost you more depending on your hourly wage.

.30 cpr when all costs are included over multiple trips could end up being a bit more as the true cost. But we all value our time and tools a little different. I’ll pay the premium if it saves me time and # of trips. I tried to buy it cheaper but ended up having to drive a ways which negated the benefit but like you said rapport also has its own value
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Had some extra time this morning, so I went to the local sporting goods shop. Stood in line 45 minutes before the store opened and 15 minutes after waiting my turn to go into the firearms counter.

I was number six in line. 9mm 50 round boxes box of Federal were going for about $0.32 per round or $15.99 per box of 50 with a three box maximum. Guy #7 only got 1 box and they were out for the day of 9mm.

As I strutted out of the store with my purchase, I had to laugh. I had just waited in line for an hour to get ammo I did not need when I had previously not waited in line earlier in the year for TP when supplies were low. Go figure...

This was the first time since the ammo law went into effect that I have purchased ammo in California. It still frosts me that I have to pay for an ammo check when I have a COE, which seems to be a duplication of approvals and fees.
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Debating if it's worth going to check out any gun shops with social distancing, long lines, and waiting outdoors in the heat. What kind of ammo prices are you all seeing?
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Old 09-16-2020, 5:10 PM
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I wouldn’t call Texans socialists, but Texans made a bunch of price gouging complaints against Cheaper than Dirt.

It isn’t just “whiny California latecomers to gun ownership” that are annoyed by the price increases
You really think there are no socialists in Texas?
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Good news, my local gun shop has 9mm for $15 a box. And news, they don't have any.
The owner is trying not to have to overcharge. He says he can buy ammo for $20 a box, but then he'd have to sell it for $24, so he'd rather be out.
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Give the “supply and demand” lectures a rest. That theory needs a free market to be valid. Commiefornia is not a free market. We cannot freely buy and sell.
It's the same story around the whole country.
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Old 09-16-2020, 5:43 PM
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Good news, my local gun shop has 9mm for $15 a box. And news, they don't have any.
The owner is trying not to have to overcharge. He says he can buy ammo for $20 a box, but then he'd have to sell it for $24, so he'd rather be out.
That seems kind of silly. Unless he thinks he won't be able to quickly sell it, he should be buying high and selling higher. That's bidness in the US of A.
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Old 09-16-2020, 6:15 PM
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Good news, my local gun shop has 9mm for $15 a box. And news, they don't have any.
That's how supply and demand works. When something is priced below what the market place values it at, it will always be sold out. When something is priced above what the market values it at, it'll sit on the shelves.

Selling at FMV serves the market. Selling below market value (Price controls) leads to shortages as it retards supply with manufacturers/ distributors holding production now in anticipation of higher prices later.

A great example was the gasoline crisis in 1979. In 1979, the US Gov. controlled the price of oil and as a result not enough of it made it to refiners and became gasoline to go to market to be sold and rationing had to be put into place. As soon as President Reagan came to the office, he eliminated the oil price controls supply was plentiful, gasoline production rose as the price of gasoline went up to FMV and supplies were plentiful and lines disappeared.

The beauty of the free market is that commodity price is what regulates the actual demand in the market place, and supply is encouraged, not depressed.

Whenever I think of price controls I think of the empty shelves in all the grocery stores of the Soviet union, Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea and the list goes on...
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Went to 4 shops all out. Crazy times
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Old 09-16-2020, 7:02 PM
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Well, the prices in this thread will make me enjoy my $0.103/rd 124gr 9mm's much more.


It'll be my choice of using MULTIPLE lanes, "at the same time one", of these cooler weekends.
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I'm sitting pretty smug and pretty right now but if Biden wins, I don't know I have enough to go a month of him in office + the 7 years 11 months of a heels up Harris administration. I'm still buying components if they aren't too terribly overpriced.
The one thing I regret is that I didn't get started reloading. I bought lots of ammo because I don't reload, but even that's getting difficult.

I'm feeling smug, yes, but I know that I can NEVER have too much ammo if the Antifa hits the fan and/or Harris gets elected.
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Old 09-16-2020, 7:23 PM
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It really is starting to be a matter of availability rather than price for me, too. Still waiting on my FFL03/COE. I will buy some even at higher prices so I can continue to train and improve.

And hopefully take more courses, too.
The FFL03/COE will help when there is ammo in stock, but last time I looked there was slim picking even at the big online ammo places. Having the FFL does help give you more options however.
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Old 09-16-2020, 7:23 PM
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Everything is relative... USUALLY

A million years ago I used to get great brass surplus 5.56 ammo for $1.99 a box... just fine for my 1:9 twist 20" HBAR... in a pinch, maybe $2.99 for AE 55 grain local and they had pallets of it. Basically had no hobby budget back then either. So buying that AR was like buying a car. Ammo was cheap, but $2.99 for twenty was not optimal.

Now, people are paying double what they paid a few months ago... that SUCKS.
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Old 09-16-2020, 7:45 PM
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A great example was the gasoline crisis in 1979. In 1979, the US Gov. controlled the price of oil and as a result not enough of it made it to refiners and became gasoline to go to market to be sold and rationing had to be put into place. As soon as President Reagan came to the office, he eliminated the oil price controls supply was plentiful, gasoline production rose as the price of gasoline went up to FMV and supplies were plentiful and lines disappeared.
I have a little different take on that chapter in American history. I never saw a shortage and was always able to get fuel, even when I made business trips to California (I lived in the South). The problem was long lines at the gas stations because gasoline was rationed and consumers were scared to death of running out. When rationing was ended, prices rose a bit but the lines disappeared.

I agree with your observations about the role of prices but don't get too hung up on the theory because there are plenty of instances where it breaks down due to any number of factors. For example, would you shop around if you needed emergency medical care?

My definition of the (dismal) science of economics is, it's the psychology of money.
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One LGS has 9mm reloads. $30/50 or $45/100. Limit 100 rounds per person per caliber. I didn’t think to ask if they had any .223/5.56.

I’m reloading 9mm and 45 ACP. That ammo is used at the range to practice my skills. I’ll be saving my new, factory ammo stash for a rainy day. More .22 rimfire ammo than I need. Stockpiled that after the great rimfire shortage. I’m kinda running out of space for that. Is rimfire just as difficult to find?
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Give the “supply and demand” lectures a rest. That theory needs a free market to be valid. Commiefornia is not a free market. We cannot freely buy and sell.
Yes, give the economy lecture a rest. The degradation of common decency IS the problem!

Look, the average IQ in the US is under 100. By giving bad people an excuse to be worse you are enabling them by giving them an out for their behavior, with arguments like "what the market will bare". I understand, leading by example doesn't work anymore because the masses are to stupid, or just so uncaring to even see it. "Normally I wouldn't charge this much, but ...." A statement like that may relieve your sense of violating a moral code but it doesn't make you any less of a scab. Are you also giving people a pass for charging $100 for a pack of TP? Whatever the case, gouging is gouging.

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Something we also forget is we are not forced by econ101 or gunshops or any market to participate in price hikes. Start a business by seeing if at a given price you can sell a product that can sustain you. Maintain that practice and build a reputation. Taking advantage of this particular situation or the 22s few years ago is your right. I have many old timers who need to reload to stay active ( so let’s buy all the primers and sell for 100 per k! They should’ve known!). Or something called good ethics101 says screw the market, I’m selling this 8lb bullseye for $160 after tax and getting good responses...Done this a long time. Just my thought. God Bless
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Debating if it's worth going to check out any gun shops with social distancing, long lines, and waiting outdoors in the heat. What kind of ammo prices are you all seeing?
At my law’s 9mm is averaging between 25cents and 30cents, if its in stock. 45ACP is around 45cents. Hadn’t really paid attention to much else. Personally, I have seen the online retailers with much worse prices than local gun shops. However I am in Shasta county, so that is probably much different than so cal.
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.61 to .62 cents per round for 45acp and close to that for others. I bought a 100 round box of Winchester to replace the 30 or so rounds I shot yesterday checking the new extractor in my Remington 45. This dealer had plenty on the shelf.
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Back during the so called gas shortage there were ALWAYS several UNLOADED oil tankers up in Suisun Bay right next to the Shell Oil Refinery and Exxon Refinery thru out the whole fake shortage period. The tankers in turn would hook up and pump their crude directly into the refineries instead of the storage tanks was the word from a employee at the Shell Oil facility. I believed then, still do.

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I just saw an advertisement for 500 rounds of 9mm for $999.00 the other day. RELOADED 9mm ammo!

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I'm sitting pretty smug and pretty right now but if Biden wins, I don't know I have enough to go a month of him in office + the 7 years 11 months of a heels up Harris administration. I'm still buying components if they aren't too terribly overpriced.
7 years and 11 months? Try 10 years. If they win they will keep Biden in the basement for 2 years. Then when Harris takes over she will be eligible to run for 2 full terms.
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I have a different opinion of what may happen. If the Dems cheat enough to win Biden won't last two years. He's a basket case now and POTUS is one of the most (if not the most) difficult job in the world.
Harris is just as much of an unqualified puppet as Biden is but she is not popular enough and does not have a strong enough following to win a second term on her own. Knee pads will only get her so far. I doubt that she has the ability to accomplish enough in one term to guarantee her reelection.
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The one thing I regret is that I didn't get started reloading. I bought lots of ammo because I don't reload, but even that's getting difficult.

I'm feeling smug, yes, but I know that I can NEVER have too much ammo if the Antifa hits the fan and/or Harris gets elected.
It's never the "wrong" time to get started in reloading. Turret presses, which are a fine choice, are available. You don't need a Dillon progressive press to get started. What matters is that you *get* started, even if you start single-stage (my personal recommendation, actually, but a turret is also relatively simple to operate).

Depending on the round(s) that you shoot, you can start with what's available for your round(s). For example, small pistol primers seem to be made out of Unobtainium at the moment. However, large pistol primers seem to be more available. If you shoot, say, .45 ACP, .44 Spl, or .45 Colt (these are large primer rounds), you can get started with one of those instead of (for now) the 9mm or .38/357 rounds. The powders that work well with 9mm and .38 Spl also work well with .45 ACP, .44 Spl, and .45 Colt.

You wanna feel even more smug? Get into our position. Wife and I are set up to reload everything we shoot except for .22LR. And we've got components. We have no "ammo problems", whatsoever. :-)
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