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Old 09-12-2018, 12:52 PM
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Default .338 .375 .408 .416 barrel wear and reload cost

I'm trying to compare barrel wear and reload costs for those calibers
weighing the pros and cons to help with choosing a round.
I know there is a lot of variables let's just assume I'm using the same barrel material/maker and bullet type.
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.338LM .375ct .408ct .416 barrett
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Old 09-12-2018, 1:39 PM
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Barrel wear is a subjective figure of merit. If you want to be competitive; you will retire a barrel after about 1000 rounds.
The case capacity over bore area ratio can be used to sort cartridges’ barrel life. Given similar usages.
416 Barrett 1648
375 SnipeTac 1538
408 SnipeTac 1316
338 Lapua 1282

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Old 09-13-2018, 11:25 AM
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Awesome thank you.
is there a caliber that's substantially cheaper to reload than others ? or at the end of the day they're all about the same?
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Awesome thank you.
is there a caliber that's substantially cheaper to reload than others ? or at the end of the day they're all about the same?
I think the cheapest would be 50DTC with pull down components. Cheap big calibers really don't exist.

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I will assume that you are trying to shoot long range steel targets, not hunting.

There is a decent selection of conventional jacketed high BC bullets for 338 caliber.

Berger Hybrids 250 and 300
Hornady ELD-M 285
Sierra MatchKing 300

Once you move up caliber to 375, 416, and up it seems like most available bullets are for close/medium range hunting. So the expensive lathe turned solid bullets are the what's available for those calibers.
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Old 09-13-2018, 12:57 PM
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is there a caliber that's substantially cheaper to reload than others ? or at the end of the day they're all about the same?
Of the 4 you listed, the 338 is the least expensive to shoot.
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Old 09-13-2018, 1:51 PM
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338 Lapua Magnum is definitely the cheapest to reload of your list by far. 510 DTC and 416 Barrett are no where near cheap to reload for as they use expensive primers and A LOT of powder. 375 and 408 only have designer projectiles available for them which drives up their cost some-what.

I handload my 338 LM rounds at about $1.20/round.
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Old 09-13-2018, 6:32 PM
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Lapua brass for a 338 is $2:50 per piece. Lapua or RWS for the 416,510 or 50 BMG is $5 a piece.
375 or 408 Cheytac from Peterson is $3 a case.
338 runs 90-94 grains of powder.
375,408 run 130 grains of powder.
416 runs 190 grains of powder
510-50BMG run 235-255 grains of powder.
Primers are $50 a 1000 for the 338,375,408 and $50+ a 100 for the 416,510,50BMG.
Bullets for the 338 are $300 for 500 bullets
All the rest run $2 on the low end and $8+ on the high end.
Typical 30 inch 338 barrel runs $365
Typical big barrels start at $550-$720 depending on contour and length.
Chamberings a 338 Barrel and putting on a muzzlebrake for a 338 runs $450+ parts so another $50=$500
Chamberings a big gun runs $650 plus a $400 clamshell brake so a new barrel and brake is $1500+.
Fiberglass flattop for a 338 runs $350 from McMillan
Fiberglass flattop for a big gun runs $1000+ from McMillan.
Triggers scopes rings and bases are all the same.
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Old 09-14-2018, 8:23 AM
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What about the juiced up .30's? Can they realistically hang with the .338 for cheaper?
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The juiced up 30's cost about the same as the 338's.
The 300 Norma or similar pushing a 198 Warner on paper is a lazor.
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Old 09-15-2018, 1:37 AM
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.300 Ultra or Weatherby is not as popular? They seem to be faster and the Weatherby seems relatively cheap compared to the big boomers. I used to have a Weatherby but it got stole.
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30-378 Weatherby brass is about $5 a case and with a 198 you will be using around 118 grains of 50BMG type powder.
Those bullets aren't cheap and the brass only lives for 3-4 fullhouse shots before the primer pockets are toast.
For that same money you can build a 338 SnipeTac and push the 300 Berger at 3300-3350 FPS with a shade better accuracy.
Some of these rounds make great hunting sense but for targets not so much.
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Old 09-15-2018, 10:10 AM
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Right, I remember you mentioning that before about the bigger Weatherby cases, what about the .300? You were talking about the .300 Norma. The .300 Weatherby is faster than the Norma, right? Does anyone use the .300 Weatherby in the context of this discussion? It's faster than the Norma and cheaper than the bigger stuff.
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The .338 is much cheaper than the other rounds. I get my .338 brass from Barrett. They sell their once fired brass pretty cheap. I've reloaded .416 and it is damn expensive. Plus, are you really looking to shoot that far?

I've seen it alot, including myself. I bought a Barrett .416, shot it about 60 rounds, and sold it. I'd go .338. You can feed it for less money and it has a good resale demand.
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Thanks for the answers
.338 it is
I'll probably use a BAT machine model L action
which takes a 1.45 inch diameter barrel.
which barrel would you match with that?
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Looking around on SH, saw the 33XC. Looks interesting, good velocity.


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Don't forget the 50BMG, 510DTC and 416's take larger dies that don't fit in a standard reloading press that uses 7/8 threads. That adds to the cost if you have to buy a new press.
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Thanks for the answers
.338 it is
I'll probably use a BAT machine model L action
which takes a 1.45 inch diameter barrel.
which barrel would you match with that?
Good choice, IMO. I bet it will shoot as far as you CAN shoot in CA.

My friend has Barretts in .338 and .416. He decided to start reloading .416. He was telling me what the components and equipment cost. I believe the dies alone were more $$ than what most people pay for a decent progressive press. And the the press required is on another level from what we're used to. I don't remember what he said he paid for that thing. And then there's the tools needed for pressing in the HUGE .50BMG primers...
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When you step into the world of 50 BMG you can buy some very impressive gear.
A Corbin Mega-Mite is well north of $1000 but it has 180,000 pounds of force and two stages or a compound low if you will. The
spare extra long handle can jack up a big rig.
Mike Matters at M2 Precision makes a terrific primer seater if you have a spare $350 laying around and the late George Petrusich makes a primer removal tool out of stainless that lets you know we're your at incrementally so you don't scratch the inside of the case.
I have most of the best tools but you can get by alot cheaper and upgrade if you need too.

The BAT "L" is as smooth as butter and a very serious action.
I have one in 338 Lapua Ackley Improved with a 1.750 straight cylinder barrel on it.
It has the large 1.250 tenon so your smallest barrel should be atleast 1.350 so you have some shoulder.
You didn't mention the stock or how your planning on shooting it but a 1.450 tapering down to 1 inch at the muzzle 30-32 inches long will get you to 2500 yards.
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The BAT "L" is as smooth as butter and a very serious action.
I have one in 338 Lapua Ackley Improved with a 1.750 straight cylinder barrel on it.
It has the large 1.250 tenon so your smallest barrel should be atleast 1.350 so you have some shoulder.
You didn't mention the stock or how your planning on shooting it but a 1.450 tapering down to 1 inch at the muzzle 30-32 inches long will get you to 2500 yards.
who makes your barrels?
I haven't decided on stock yet, any recommendations?
I'll shoot it 1000yards and occasionally longer if i can find a place...
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My friend has Barretts in .338 and .416. He decided to start reloading .416. He was telling me what the components and equipment cost. I believe the dies alone were more $$ than what most people pay for a decent progressive press. And the the press required is on another level from what we're used to. I don't remember what he said he paid for that thing. And then there's the tools needed for pressing in the HUGE .50BMG primers...
That's the same for most of the big boomers over about a 338 Lapua.
338 Lapua is about the end of what you can load in 7/8" dies.
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http://www.brunoshooters.com/product/12549.html

Here is a Kreiger from Lester Bruno but you can get them from Bartlein K-P Lilja or a bunch of other sources.
On the stock you have fewer choices because of how big that action is.
I buy a McMillan 50 LBR from Bruno's as a flattop and inlet myself for around $350.
You can order it straight from McMillan and if you go that route get it with a recoil pad. The shape of the buttstock is tricky for the do it yourself at home type of shooters.
If your more into tactical they make a Beast and a Magnum version of there A5 even though it is never listed on there website.
For a chassis I have no idea.
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That's the same for most of the big boomers over about a 338 Lapua.
338 Lapua is about the end of what you can load in 7/8" dies.
Ah. Okay, thanks. I really don't know much about these calibers, first hand. Best I can say is that I've held them in my hand at least once. .338L and .416B anyway.

Funny, when I first read the title to this thread about these bores and barrel life and my first thought was, this guy's going to Africa to tangle with lions and cape buffalo and he's worried about barrel life and reloading costs??? Then it hit me. Oh yeah, he's talking long-range calibers.
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If you are looking to ballpark reloading costs for long range, start with the boutique bullets you are targeting using. That is going to make the bulk of your cost. Next powder, then primer if BMG.

If you really really plan to shoot much, consider case cost too.

I can't speak to barrel life, other than to say it has to be personal. Because I know for a fact I personally enjoy shooting a "precision rifle" with a barrel I consider just fine, that Randall would have considered a tomato stake hundreds of rounds ago.
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