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Old 05-06-2018, 1:03 PM
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Agreed. In part. As a primary weapon, the handgun is not a wise choice. But, it does have it's place, since in certain situations it is better than a long gun.
Agreed, I carry a handgun everyday concealed. But in any gun battle I hope to use it to get to a long gun.
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Old 05-06-2018, 3:45 PM
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The gun you want to have is a 357 revolver. Rick grimes has never run out of ammo.
What model is that with the 30-round cylinder?
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Old 05-06-2018, 4:13 PM
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Agreed. In part. As a primary weapon, the handgun is not a wise choice. But, it does have it's place, since in certain situations it is better than a long gun.
Which is why I have a large collection of pistol caliber rifles, 30-30's, along with some select long range options.
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The last thing you want in a bad situation is a handgun. Slow ineffective ammo and being able to engage targets that are trying to kill you at yardage. People will not let get close enough to use them, and will kill you very quickly when they realize you are poorly armed.

Your handguns are almost worthless at 100 yards plus. At 300 they are worthless. Crossbows, longbows, black powder and all the rest is just going to get you killed.

You will need people and firepower or learn to run very quickly.

If you think your are going to make a living finding obscure ammo you are going to be dead. The rest is folly.
Some strong points, but a handgun is essential in urban environments.
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Old 05-06-2018, 7:57 PM
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Some strong points, but a handgun is essential in urban environments.
I can't think how a M4 would not be a better choice. I'm not saying you shouldn't have a handgun, it just would't be my #1 choice.

Urban area's will be a death trap that will require brute force. Pretty much everywhere will require brute force.
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Old 05-06-2018, 9:39 PM
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Brute force and a big wrecking crew to bring it. I don't think most people recognize the number of people required to run a viable defense, but so be it, more battlefield pickups for me.
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This isn't directed to anyone specifically here but I always hear people talking about being able to just scavenge ammo after a SHTF scenario. This isn't a video game or fantasy. If you need ammo AFTER the fact, then you're doing something wrong. Plan your weapons (and calibers) ahead of time and have enough of it before SHTF. Also, you can never have enough.
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I can't think how a M4 would not be a better choice. I'm not saying you shouldn't have a handgun, it just would't be my #1 choice.

Urban area's will be a death trap that will require brute force. Pretty much everywhere will require brute force.
I think handguns have two advantages over mid-range long guns (like an AR-15) and a role in the scenario we're talking about: (1) on person carry, and (2) convenient storage/access.

(1) could be in a concealed application, or more convenience in an open carry application. I've carried both openly over long durations and a pistol in an OWB hostler is tons more convenient than an M4 slung on back if you have to do any normal work. I'm not talking about dedicated security/patrol work, which an AR-15 would be the appropriate tool, I'm talking about doing everyday real world work while still having immediate access to a near-field defense tool.

(2) would be subjective to the user and their environment. Very young children (too young to teach safety) would be another consideration. Not a one size fits all.
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Old 05-09-2018, 11:40 AM
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I think handguns have two advantages over mid-range long guns (like an AR-15) and a role in the scenario we're talking about: (1) on person carry, and (2) convenient storage/access.

(1) could be in a concealed application, or more convenience in an open carry application. I've carried both openly over long durations and a pistol in an OWB hostler is tons more convenient than an M4 slung on back if you have to do any normal work. I'm not talking about dedicated security/patrol work, which an AR-15 would be the appropriate tool, I'm talking about doing everyday real world work while still having immediate access to a near-field defense tool.

(2) would be subjective to the user and their environment. Very young children (too young to teach safety) would be another consideration. Not a one size fits all.
Unless I read wrong, we were discussing a TEOTWAWKI issue. Again I cannot see where a handgun would be a better option than a M4 or better. It is never a good idea not to have a gun that is not up to the task at hand.
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The gun you want to have is a 357 revolver. Rick grimes has never run out of ammo.
He's never run out of gasoline either, despite the fact that it eventually goes stale. Abandoned cars still have charged batteries in his world too. Pretty awesome!
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He's never run out of gasoline either, despite the fact that it eventually goes stale. Abandoned cars still have charged batteries in his world too. Pretty awesome!
Good point
Now if only they could've figured out a way to harness walkers to pull a wagon or trailer. Right?

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Unless I read wrong, we were discussing a TEOTWAWKI issue. Again I cannot see where a handgun would be a better option than a M4 or better. It is never a good idea not to have a gun that is not up to the task at hand.
Well, having had to carry/use both, I can say there are some advantages to a handgun over a long gun. It doesn't look like we're going to agree nor any amount of discussion is going to change that.
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Old 05-10-2018, 8:01 AM
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Well, having had to carry/use both, I can say there are some advantages to a handgun over a long gun. It doesn't look like we're going to agree nor any amount of discussion is going to change that.
A factor to consider is that if you are in a position to need a rifle slung while working then you will realistically need people performing security over the working party. This is what I was addressing earlier about needing far more people to survive than most people recognize.

This does promote the position that a sidearm has a place in your kit, especially if you are the one tasked with farming/wrenching/etc.
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Old 05-10-2018, 3:50 PM
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when people start forming communities for survival post whatever happens they will bring their guns and both rifles and handguns should be voluntarily reassigned along with ammo depending on the job they are needed for. everything is going to change in order to survive and cooperation will be needed or we perish. I have a wide variety of calibers in both and hope they will help insure the survival of any group I join. if they do then the weapons have done their job.
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Old 05-20-2018, 2:34 PM
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Been reading too many SHTF posts in various forums and one comment that kept popping up was to utilize the most common calibers for your SHTF preparations. It makes sense if you thought about it, quickly.

But then I thought about it some more and began to wonder. Wouldn't the MOST common calibers (9mm, 223, etc.) be the FIRST to be depleted during a SHTF scenario, because those calibers will be used by the majority of the population?

Wouldn't it make more sense to find UNcommon calibers laying around in abandoned houses, stores, etc.? Personally, if I have to bug out, I am definitely taking all my 9mm and 223, and ditching my 380 acp.

Anyhoo, just a random thought.
IMO, 9mm and 223/556 will be the most common ammo to find after a SHTF. you can trade for it or find it off dead bodies laying around since everyone will be using them. I have been watching WAY to much Walking Dead. lol
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Yeah, so somebody kills someone for what they have/or what they thing they have and they will leave the ammo there just so you can “find” it? If TEOTWAKI ever happened, you are not going to find supplies and ammo like in a video game. You will have to kill or trade for it.
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Old 05-21-2018, 8:49 PM
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Yeah, so somebody kills someone for what they have/or what they thing they have and they will leave the ammo there just so you can “find” it? If TEOTWAKI ever happened, you are not going to find supplies and ammo like in a video game. You will have to kill or trade for it.
I did not want to say "Kill", but that is what will happen when people get desperate. they will take whatever you have, and take your life as well.

how i see it, if we ever go to a TEOTWAKI, (which to me is a video game mentality). If you live "X" amount of days after TEOTWAKI, it will be a blessing, because you may wake up the next day and then your dead or live for another minute.

I am more mentally prepared for a SHTF scenario, but just hope FEMA comes in fast enough to save us and make us their slaves. lol
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Common cold and infected cuts will kill the remaining population, school teachers will be the only survivors
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Long term survival and running gunfights.... lmao
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