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Old 05-03-2018, 3:11 PM
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Been reading too many SHTF posts in various forums and one comment that kept popping up was to utilize the most common calibers for your SHTF preparations. It makes sense if you thought about it, quickly.

But then I thought about it some more and began to wonder. Wouldn't the MOST common calibers (9mm, 223, etc.) be the FIRST to be depleted during a SHTF scenario, because those calibers will be used by the majority of the population?

Wouldn't it make more sense to find UNcommon calibers laying around in abandoned houses, stores, etc.? Personally, if I have to bug out, I am definitely taking all my 9mm and 223, and ditching my 380 acp.

Anyhoo, just a random thought.
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Maybe if you had a blackpowder firearm like a flintlock you could make your own powder and cast your own lead bullets. Might just be easier to use a compound bow.
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I'm not sure if there's a right answer to this.
If I had the room for it I would consider keeping odd ball ammo around, but I'll NEVER trade/barter ammo with people I don't know well. Don't want that coming back at me at a later date.

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45 Long Colt and 45-70 Govt (and others) were originally black powder cartridges. One can have the best of both worlds using such an approach.
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Let's get real people. Say you have 1k for your rifle and 1k for your pistol. It is more that you can carry. If you are in a static position you will need 20+ people to defend and get through the challenges of the day. Say they all have 1k for each of their weapons systems.
Now think about the realities of TEOTWAWKI. Everyone have a 10 year supply of their necessary meds? Figure even if you're all healthy 1/4 of your group will have medical issues and be dead or unable to function, then adding to your burden. How about clean water, California is a coastal desert.
The list goes on, but I am saying that people have 10k of 5.56 and no medical training and oh and by the way they need blood pressure meds and have a 1 month supply... Medical training, etc will get you through the day- they'll be plenty of dead people laying around with guns and ammo...
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if a disaster or a revolution breaks out most people are going to hunker down in place and that means you will most likely team up with others in place. many people dream of bugging out but they won't make it. why leave an area you know and can locate the best sources for supplies? You are going run to some place you do not know about and maybe have to fight the locals? I wouldn't. Food and water will be the hardest to find and protecting you and your family from others out foraging will be the toughest because you will have a lot of left wingers coming at you not to mention criminals. Medication usually expires after two years. good luck

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You can never ever have too much ammo. Plan accordingly.
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...I'll NEVER trade/barter ammo with people I don't know well. Don't want that coming back at me at a later date.
That thought crossed my mind, but they're going to find ammo somewhere. And I think the chances of you being shot by someone you know is far greater than zero. My current line of thinking is just don't sell it at your house.
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If you learned anything about the last ammo shortage all the popular ammo is gone.
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If you learned anything about the last ammo shortage all the popular ammo is gone.
Around my 174th birthday I might need to re-up, but if on the off chance I die before then my daughter will probably throw it away.
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how f'd up is the world that you've managed to shoot up all of your ammo? Either you really like suppressing fire, or you have survived hundreds of armed assaults. Or your zombie apocalypse plan is to be an assaulter, and you go around rampaging taking what you want. If you are doing that much shooting, odds are significantly against you living long enough to worry about an ammo shortage.
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Around my 174th birthday I might need to re-up, but if on the off chance I die before then my daughter will probably throw it away.
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No that doesn't make much sense. And no you're not bugging out with all your ammo unless you have some sort of tiny supply of it.
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Chances are people won't live very long due to lack of modern medicine and sanitation so trying to figure out what ammunition might be available should not be too high on your list of priorities if all social services are no longer available. Stash away whatever you think you might need but the real reality of a TEOTWAWKI scenario is that most folks will die from disease and infection more than getting into a shootout with someone trying to take their stuff. If the germs don't kill you, the fallout will. We have over 60 nuclear power plants with 99 nuclear reactors in the US alone (over 500 world-wide) and if no one is around to maintain them and they melt down, do really think it matters what cartridge you stocked up on. We have advanced to the point that the planet will die if it ever gets that bad.
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Common cold and infected cuts will kill the remaining population, school teachers will be the only survivors
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if a disaster or a revolution breaks out most people are going to hunker down in place and that means you will most likely team up with others in place. many people dream of bugging out but they won't make it. why leave an area you know and can locate the e best sources for supplies? You are going run to some place you do not know about and maybe have to fight the locals? I wouldn't. Food and water will be the hardest to find and protecting you and your family from others out foraging will be the toughest because you will have a lot of left wingers coming at you not to mention criminals. Medication usually expires after two years. good luck
More people will die of hunger, thirst, disease, and accidents, than gun shots.
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God help us.
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The word you're searching for is "arrows".
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Given how much 9mm people have stored in their garages if you live long enough after TEOTWAWKI for common ammo's to be depleted you will probably wish you hadn't.

There is likely more ammo stored in California then long term food or water.
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If your struggling to survive solo/in a small group and 1K of any mix of ammo isn't enough, then you ain't making it.
Living in So Cal, bugging out is total fantasy. It's a desert surrounded by more desert.
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THOSE eBay hand crossbow for $12-$20 are pretty nice, and I would not like to take a bolt from one, due to the realities of the testing I did...

Time for the rest of you to stock dirt-cheap components for thousands more rounds at the ready... Just fill them back up...?
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Been reading too many SHTF posts in various forums and one comment that kept popping up was to utilize the most common calibers for your SHTF preparations. It makes sense if you thought about it, quickly.

But then I thought about it some more and began to wonder. Wouldn't the MOST common calibers (9mm, 223, etc.) be the FIRST to be depleted during a SHTF scenario, because those calibers will be used by the majority of the population?

Wouldn't it make more sense to find UNcommon calibers laying around in abandoned houses, stores, etc.? Personally, if I have to bug out, I am definitely taking all my 9mm and 223, and ditching my 380 acp.

Anyhoo, just a random thought.
I really don't think this is an issue you should be concerned about. Personally I don't see any reason to have more than 1k rounds of any caliber for most SHTF scenarios. If you need more, it's because:

- you think trading ammo is a good idea (I don't).
- you're the only one with guns in your large tribal group and need to arm them.
- you're getting in waaaay too many gun fights, in which case chances are you're already dead or dying.
- you're part of a raiding party and the plundering is going well.
- you're prepping for a prolonged rebellion or occupation like Red Dawn.

Stick to common calibers, stock enough for realistic needs, focus your energy on the more important preps.
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I really don't think this is an issue you should be concerned about. Personally I don't see any reason to have more than 1k rounds of any caliber for most SHTF scenarios. If you need more, it's because:

- you think trading ammo is a good idea (I don't).
- you're the only one with guns in your large tribal group and need to arm them.
- you're getting in waaaay too many gun fights, in which case chances are you're already dead or dying.
- you're part of a raiding party and the plundering is going well.
- you're prepping for a prolonged rebellion or occupation like Red Dawn.

Stick to common calibers, stock enough for realistic needs, focus your energy on the more important preps.
Totally agree. Don't read too deeply into what I posted. It was more of a random thought. Lots of good insights, and some funny ones.
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if a disaster or a revolution breaks out most people are going to hunker down in place and that means you will most likely team up with others in place. many people dream of bugging out but they won't make it. why leave an area you know and can locate the best sources for supplies? You are going run to some place you do not know about and maybe have to fight the locals? I wouldn't. Food and water will be the hardest to find and protecting you and your family from others out foraging will be the toughest because you will have a lot of left wingers coming at you not to mention criminals. Medication usually expires after two years. good luck
This makes a lot of sense. Those of us who live in urban areas have no chance of bugging out. We'll have to protect ourselves and our families in place. Having a store of ammo is always advisable, but the other essentials (like food and water) are equally important.
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...Medication usually expires after two years. good luck...
Actually, most of it doesn't, unless hot, or wet...
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Actually, most of it doesn't, unless hot, or wet...
In general they loose their potency. Things will be hot and at times wet. Think no air conditioning. I predict a lot of skinny corpses laying on crates of 5.56...
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In general they loose their potency. Things will be hot and at times wet. Think no air conditioning. I predict a lot of skinny corpses laying on crates of 5.56...
Lose the extra "o". They do, but things can be done to mitigate it. Rotating in your meds to the SHTF stash every six months, and of course storing them in an airtight, cool area.
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Small caliber ammo is easier to carry. This is why Kentucky Rifles had an average size of under .40.

Wikipedia for Longrifle:

"To conserve lead on the frontier, smaller calibers were often preferred, ranging often from about .32 to .45 cal. As a rifle became worn from use, with accumulated corrosion from firing black powder causing the bore to enlarge, it was not uncommon to see many rifles re-bored and re-rifled to larger calibers, to keep the rifle shooting accurately. Many copies of historical American longrifles are seen with a bore of around .50 caliber."

Same is true today. .22LR is easy to carry ammo. A 9mm rifle or .22 Hornet might be a good compromise. For muzzle loader, think small, a .32 would be plenty big.
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The gun you want to have is a 357 revolver. Rick grimes has never run out of ammo.
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I agree with one poster in that if you are running out of ammo, your are doing something wrong. If you are one your way to a specific destination, then you should be like a church mouse. Vewy, vewy quiet. However,I realize that sometime things occur that are out of our control.
My preferred TEOTWAWKI caliber is the 45 acp. But, there are scads of 9mms and 40 S&Ws out there. So, what to do if I have a very bad day, and either run out of my carry supply of 45 acp, or I can't reach my Fortress of Solitude?
My solution was to modify my 1911 45s to be able to go to other calibers. One 1911 can go to 9mm and 38 Super, and the other can go 9mm, 38 super, and eventually 40 S&W. Carrying a an extra slide with barrels and mags doesn't really weigh too much more than an extra box of 45 acp ammo. Doesn't take up much space either.
I've done this to 4 different brands of 1911 45 acp guns, so it is do-able in a relatively simple way.

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The last thing you want in a bad situation is a handgun. Slow ineffective ammo and being able to engage targets that are trying to kill you at yardage. People will not let get close enough to use them, and will kill you very quickly when they realize you are poorly armed.

Your handguns are almost worthless at 100 yards plus. At 300 they are worthless. Crossbows, longbows, black powder and all the rest is just going to get you killed.

You will need people and firepower or learn to run very quickly.

If you think your are going to make a living finding obscure ammo you are going to be dead. The rest is folly.
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The gun you want to have is a 357 revolver. Rick grimes has never run out of ammo.

You can say that again.

In my preps I had 2k of .22 caliber and 1k of .357. I had a lever action in .357/.38 along with a revolver. And a Ruger 10/22 for hunting small game. The lever action would be for big game and protection.
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The last thing you want in a bad situation is a handgun. Slow ineffective ammo and being able to engage targets that are trying to kill you at yardage. People will not let get close enough to use them, and will kill you very quickly when they realize you are poorly armed.

Your handguns are almost worthless at 100 yards plus. At 300 they are worthless. Crossbows, longbows, black powder and all the rest is just going to get you killed.

You will need people and firepower or learn to run very quickly.

If you think your are going to make a living finding obscure ammo you are going to be dead. The rest is folly.
Agreed. In part. As a primary weapon, the handgun is not a wise choice. But, it does have it's place, since in certain situations it is better than a long gun.
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