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Jerry Brown....really?
I've read in several threads that JB is the better choice of any of the RINOs running for office. I'm curious as to why this is? In my (highly prejudiced against Democrats) mind Jerry Brown would be no better than anyone else who is running. Of course, he probably wouldn't be worse, however, I can't wrap my mind around "pro 2A" and "Jerry Brown" being in the same sentence.
Note, I don't view ANY candidate for Governor as pro 2A, but I do view JB as probably being more actively hostile. So, again, why would Jerry Brown not suck from the viewpoint of 2A and RKBA?
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aaaaaand, CUE Bill Weiss!
Take it away Bill! .
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Most members here understand that one amicus brief to SCOTUS doesnt make you Gods gift to all gun owners. wait........ Ok let the flogging begin...............
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Of course, some people made up their minds a long time ago and don't want to be confused by the facts. Jerry is the only viable candidate who is in any way or to any extent on our side. And I never expected to say that about a Democrat. One amicus brief is one more than any other candidate offered, and that's far from the only thing he has done for us, but (as said above) I'll let Bill explain.
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Sip the Kool-Ade. Boy, you said it.
Jerry Brown was considering psychopath Jim Jones for a top slot in CA's state government when he was governor. He used to attend Jim Jones' People's Temple church services all the time. ... Jim Jones had other plans in mind, however: |
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Brown or Whitman we're screwed either way for the next 6 years. To be honest we're screwed forever in California, too many leeches who can vote now.
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[QUOTE=bombmaster;4136790]There are a few. and I mean FEW on this board that feel that JB is the man. QUOTE]
It's more then a few..
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That picture was called out as a fake back in the 70's and it still looks fake. Look at Browns record and then judge. All you need to know about Meg is on ebay.
JB is a pro constitutional lawyer and he supports the 2A. He is a shooter himself. Some Democrats are. Many used to be. 90% of my family is Dem and 85% of them are pro guns and shoot. We don't get a chance to vote for a good Democrat very often because the communists have stolen the Democratic party. If you voted for Arnold you got what he is, an ex-socialist that doesn't understand that capitalism is not the only freedom in the world. Meg is an Arnold clone - vote for her and you will lose more of your gun rights.
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Only a fool would waste a general election vote on Whitman.
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Maybe you'd be convinced if some People's Temple cult survivors testimonies established the relationship between Jerry Brown and Jim Jones? Seductive Poison: A Jonestown Survivor's Story of Life and Death in the Peoples Temple |
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Yeah, definitely not voting for Brown. If I'm going to get screwed by either of the major candidates I'd rather not vote for them. People are deluding themselves if they think Brown's ideas are conducive to a prosperous State. But again, we're screwed either way. And it's not like Brown can write gun legislation.
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Be skeptic, doesn't matter. Fact is I won't support ANY of the BS republican candidates. None of us should, until someone running as a republican actually acts like one... So if you rule out Meg Whitman or Poizner, that leaves us with JB... THEN JB goes and issues a pro-constitution, pro-2A amicus brief, and makes himself the only (slightly) viable candidate.
Like you guys said, we are screwed either way. Why not go with someone with a CHANCE of not ****ing us deeper into this hole?
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Yup...like it or not, Brown is the best choice.
It breaks down like this... Brown is the only one that has shown anything positive for 2a rights whatsoever out of the possibole candidates The "Right People" here whom, incidentloy are our best hope for positive 2a rights accomplishments think that Brown is the best choice. How stupid would you have to be to trust some rish *** hat from the bay area (Feinstein and Palosi ring a bell?) regardless of what poarty they affiliate with? Brown or Whitam will win. Whitman is throwing millions of her own money at the race. Any vote for anyone other then Brown is a vote for Whitman...like it or not. I have always voted Republican my entire life up to th is point. Its not that I always liked the Republican candidate more, I have just liked the Democrat one less. I will vote for Brown this time. I guess there is a first time for eveything...
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At this stage of the game I have no idea who will get my vote. I only know who won't get it.
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From my perspective, Brown beats Whitman on every point. We've seen what "amateur hour" looks like these last years with Schwarzenegger as Governor. Whitman would be just as bad or worse for the state.
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Also, the CalGuns Foundation as a fully qualified 501(c)(3) tax deductible organization should not be taking such positions. |
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Jerry Brown with his record of increased spending both as a prior california Governor and mayor of Oakland along with increased crime and reduced services is going to bankrupt california to the point no one will invest money in this state. Meg is witless about public service and we all know it. But in the time jerry has held state wide public office at any level the record on gun rights is we have lost most of it on Jerry watch as governor and attorney general. What makes you think he is going to change now or become our white knight? Jerry fouls one nest and moves on to the next reinventing himself. He did not get the name Governor Moonbeam for nothing when he was governor the first time. He is only running now because he knows the republicans have a loser on their hands who is going to buy the nomination. If he had a real republican to run against Jerry would be back running to the AG office again. Neither candidate is going to help california or the gun owners and that is the simple truth. We are fubar and any vet knows what that means. I am glad I have a place in Colorado after 52 years of paying taxes here.
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Because they can't and said they wouldn't?
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Now I know that progressive tax deductible non-profit organizations do this sort of thing all time and get away with it. What's different here is that CalGuns is a perpetual thorn in the side of the CA Department of Justice and has made sworn enemies of career DOJ bureaucrats. That's my view, anyway. If you reject my opinion, click on through and warm regards to you sir. |
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I don't buy that he's fiscally careless. I've heard him talk. He was asked what he thought about Heller right after the decision came down. He basically said a lot of americans would be pretty pissed off if the supreme court didn't say that second amendment meant what it said. He's no knight in shining armor, but he's got my vote. |
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[QUOTE=Fot;4136866]I know and that thought makes me ill.
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I think people are overlooking the fact that Whitman has to defeat Poizner in the Republican primary election on June 8 to advance to the final election against Brown. I predict an upset victory for Poizner. No self respecting righty can, in good conscience, ever vote for Whitman (or Brown), that's for sure. I conducted an informal poll in this group a few weeks ago about the Republican primary and Poizner won by a margin of ~5:1 over Whitman.
To enable you to form your own opinion, I've provided the following brief descriptors from the recent poll describing the three candidates stance on issues of concern: ------------------------------------------------------------ Jerry Brown guns- Jerry Brown, when running for AG, pulled a .50 BMG round out of his pocket when debating changes to CA guns laws and talked about how access to such equipment was a threat to civil society. He has opposed making CA a shall issue state. He has never wavered on the CA AWB or single gun a month. I have heard nothing about him opposing the coming restrictions on ammo sales. Filed an amicus brief in the Chicago case urging SCOTUS to grant cert and hear the case. illegals- LOS ANGELES -- In an interview with Spanish-language daily La Opinión, California Democratic gubernatorial hopeful Jerry Brown said he would not support driver's licenses for undocumented immigrants, but would support immigration reform. "As state attorney general and chief upholder of the law, I can't support licenses, but I would do everything in my power to promote immigration reform," he said. Brown called undocumented immigrants "an important part of our social and economic life." He said he would work closely with the Mexican president on issues such as energy, drugs and arms trafficking, and the fate of tens of thousands of Mexican citizens who are currently incarcerated in California. source: La Opinión ------------------------------------------------------------------ Meg Whitman guns - “I am a strong supporter of the Second Amendment and our clear constitutional right to keep and bear arms. I believe current gun laws need to be enforced but we do not need any new restrictions on gun owners. Second Amendment rights must be rigorously protected.” source www.megwhitman.com illegals - SAN YSIDRO — With the San Ysidro border fence as her backdrop, Republican gubernatorial candidate Meg Whitman spoke out on immigration policy issues yesterday, saying it is “simply not practical” to deport the estimated 12.5 million illegal immigrants living and working in the United States. The candidate said the solution is to find a mechanism that allows them to live here legally. “Can we get a fair program where people stand at the back of the line, they pay a fine, they do some things that would ultimately allow a path to legalization?” she asked. source http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2...candida/?metro ----------------------------------------------------------------\ Steve Poizner guns - Steve is a strong supporter of the Second Amendment and opposes any attempts to chip away at the right that every Californian has to keep and bear arms. Steve believes that the Founders of the Constitution were crystal clear when establishing that people have the right to own guns for both recreational and defensive purposes. Steve opposes any new gun laws and will closely examine existing gun laws. He also opposes California’s recently passed ammunition registration law (AB 962), and will seek its repeal as governor. source www.stevepoizner.com illegals - "California simply cannot continue to ignore the strain that illegal immigration puts on our budget and economy. Illegal aliens cost taxpayers in our state billions of dollars each year. Ten other states, including neighboring Arizona, have passed laws to cut taxpayer-funded benefits for illegal immigrants. We need such legislation too. In this time of fiscal crisis, we can't afford to subsidize the presence of illegal aliens. One taxpayer-funded benefit for illegal aliens that should be stopped is in-state tuition at our public colleges and universities. "Today, California is one of just 10 states that allow illegal immigrants access to reduced college tuition at taxpayer expense. California must also do its part to help secure the border by deploying the state's National Guard to assist federal authorities. We should also work with other border states to create a multi-state partnership for sharing information, resources and manpower." source http://articles.latimes.com/2010/mar...er27-2010mar27 |
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How about Larry Nartelli for governor if there's no other good choice?
http://www.larrynaritelli.com/default.html |
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They should use a disclaimer stating it is their personal opinions being expressed and are not to be construed with their positions. Maybe something that automatically pops up when they join in the "conversation". If they are speaking on behalf of the position then turn the disclaimer off.
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I really like and want to support JB. He's the only "libertarian liberal" I know of. I think he would be a good governor for this state. I was ready to vote for him, until I found out one thing: he got a strong endorsement from the SEIU.
The SEIU is bankrupting this state, and is strongly hostile to CCW and gun rights. The SEIU is driven by blind greed and desire to take, without regard to the consequences to the government and taxpayers it feeds off of. The SEIU wants to see California go the same way as Greece. To explain what I mean, Greece right now spends about 40% of its GDP in the public sector. Its public sector is all unionized. Greece is bankrupt and is trying to avoid overtly begging for money from its neighbors. Sound familiar?
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And I agree with you about the SEIU. |
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http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...57&postcount=1
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Being a board member of CGF does not remove my freedom of speech thank you very much.
Brown: Demoted Division of Firearms to a Bureau Iggy's Gone Permanence regulation pulled Refocused BOF on the armed prohibited file Ask SCOTUS to grant McDonald and apply the 2A to the States (confirmed that he personally wrote it from none other than Don Kates and if you don't know who he is then you need to read up on gun rights.) Meg: Personaly implemented the no firearms or parts rules on eBay Stated that she supports AW bans The 2A vote is Brown. If you're not putting guns first that's your choice but that means you don't really care about gun rights during a critical point in the 2As rebirth. -Gene
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+ 1 Million....Go Gene! I agree fully!
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lol, tis quite refreshing! I just hope enough people realize that Brown, up until 2008 was the poster boy for the Brady Bunch and did plenty to earn a, eh hem, reputation during his first stint as Governor.
ETA: Gene-I read your post and don't disagree. However, I worry when a person's track record is what Brown's is. I guess if he had a longer history of being RKBA friendly, I wouldn't be so skeptical. HOWEVER, I am NOT voting for Meg, I can already attest to that. Frankly, she is the Barack Obama of gubernatorial choices. YUCK! Last edited by NorCalMama; 04-16-2010 at 8:09 PM.. |
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Thank you Mr Hoffman. And I didnt say that the 501c corp of CGF endorsed anything. I said the "right people" HERE, which includes Gene, Bill, etc believed he was out best bet for 2a rights.Their "endorsement" is individual but I think they probably have the best handle on what/who will work best for our 2a needs. If you disagree, fine. But dont attack them and/or CGF because you disagree. They have a right to their own personal opinion.
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I agree. I have spoken to Jerry Brown many times. He is not the guy from the 70's. He is very tough on crime. He is pro 2A. Trust me I have every reason to dislike him. Meg Whitman will never get my vote after watching this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSn37TMXZO8 [/QUOTE] Being a board member of CGF does not remove my freedom of speech thank you very much. Brown: Demoted Division of Firearms to a Bureau Iggy's Gone Permanence regulation pulled Refocused BOF on the armed prohibited file Ask SCOTUS to grant McDonald and apply the 2A to the States (confirmed that he personally wrote it from none other than Don Kates and if you don't know who he is then you need to read up on gun rights.) Meg: Personaly implemented the no firearms or parts rules on eBay Stated that she supports AW bans The 2A vote is Brown. If you're not putting guns first that's your choice but that means you don't really care about gun rights during a critical point in the 2As rebirth. -Gene[/QUOTE]
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