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Old 12-10-2015, 6:48 PM
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Default felon in the house, thoughts? (Narrow Q: what is "access" to guns for that felon?)

I tried to resurrect an old thread in this subforum dealing with the question of a felon under the same roof as a firearm, but the system didn't allow bringing back to life a thread from 2009. Because of the very thoughtful responses in that earlier subthread, I thought I'd duplicate a recent thread that I started in the 2A section. I hope I don't get the boot for asking the same question in two areas of Calguns. While the tone of the responses in the 2A thread give me clear understanding of the sensitivity of the issue, I'm wondering if there is a LEO perspective on what defines "access"? Thanks folks.

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It's a long story, and somewhat against my wishes, however, I may have a convicted felon staying in my home for a night or two. Based on a search through these Calguns threads, it's clear that the felon may not have access to guns or ammo. My question is, how is the word "access" defined? For example, if the guns and ammo are in a closet with a keyed lock, does that satisfy the requirement for access having been denied? To take it one step further, what if the felon sleeps in a bedroom with the guns behind a locked inner closet door? Do the guns need to be secured in a manner defined by California's safe storage law? Or does that not even satisfy? Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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While the tone of the responses in the 2A thread give me clear understanding of the sensitivity of the issue, I'm wondering if there is a LEO perspective on what defines "access"? Thanks folks.
Kindly stick with this narrow point - the rest has been covered in the other thread.
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Narrowing it down to the definition of 'access' is hard, as its really going to depend on the totality of the circumstance.
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Why risk being the test case as to what access means. Buy another safe and lock everything up or put the guy up in a nearby hotel.
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But generally, IMO, if the felon can get to the firearms with relative ease, I'd consider it accessible.
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Why risk being the test case as to what access means. Buy another safe and lock everything up or put the guy up in a nearby hotel.
Exactly. Because it's ultimately going to be left to a random 12 people to decide if the gun was accessible.
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As I already noted, all the other considerations have been thoroughly covered in this thread: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1140969.

Please stick with the narrow question in the OP.
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I know a gun safe is good according the parole officers I worked with (at least 6 years ago it was).

I don't think a locked closet door would satisfy the "accessible" part. As a LEO I would look at the closet door and see if its hollow core, hinge pins on the outside, easily "punched through" & etc. Off hand I would say no.

I'd take the guns and ammo to a friend for the one or two nights (if possible).
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Thanks folks, good insights. Helpful.
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I would definitely be suspicious if I was called to your house and found a felon sleeping in a room with a small stash of ammunition/firearms in it but "secured" behind a cheesy closet door.

Whether or not I would be taking it any further action would depend on alot of specific facts; but lets just say I would be doing some "investigating."
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