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Glock drops shells on head
Ok you Glock expert gun plumber type guys, I just purchased a Glock 19, works pretty good for me but tends to eject shell casings towards my right shoulder. When my wife was shooting it the casings were mostly falling right on her, hitting her head. I got her using a firmer grip but still tended to hit her or just miss her shoulder. I was using Federal FMJ target loads. Hornady personal defense loads seemed to eject a little further. We are right handed. Never owned a Glock before (avoided the cool aid) and was wondering if this is typical or does this unit have a problem?
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Extractor/spring needs to be tuned and or matched better. Common problem with all semi-auto pistols that aren't set up right for the load, and strength of recoil spring. Typically cheaper pistols have these kinds of issues, but they happen on expensive guns as well, just not as often. You can try a different load, but I would send it back to Glock.
-Freq
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Is it a gen 3 or gen 4? The new Gen 4 recoil spring and ejector combinations had some problems out of the gate. brass to the head/face is a problem many shooters with newer Glock 9s face. Glock has made different recoil springs and ejectors to improve this problem, some worked, some did not.
Call Glock up and they will take it back and make it right. |
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UPDATE: Just got off phone, I could send in and will be 2-3 weeks. I could take it to a certified glock armorer and it would be less time. The tech claimed that it will likey improve on its own with simply more rounds, allowing the recoils spring to "condition".. get a bit softer. Does this sound like BS or should I just get it fixed?
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I have a brand new G19 Gen3 that had this issue as well, it's called Brass to the Face/Erratic Ejections.
This solution tooks weeks of research and a month of trial and error. All the "Glock Armorers" I asked here on calguns said it was my ammo/recoil spring. Which is/was not the issue at all. I wanted to figure out the issue myself without sending it in to Glock. THIS isn't a Definative Answer, since Glock refuses to admit this issue. But it is my answer since it stop BTTF immediately for me 110% improvement. A rare few who have done the same said it made it worse. Here is the basic run-down. G19 Gen3 are a hit or miss when it comes to being in spec or not. I/we found out the hard way, constant BTTF on my new G19. What the issue is the old/sharp 336 Ejector and out of spec #3 Dipped Extractor made out of MIM. Thus casing weak/erratic ejections. I replaced both parts. I bought a Gen4 9mm Trigger Housing #30275, and took the updated #30274 Ejector out from the Gen4 housing and installed it in my stock Gen3 Trigger housing. I also ditched the old dipped extractor for a #4 Non-Dipped LCI OEM 9mm Extractor, which I think is Carbon steel/in spec. Gen4 Trigger Housing is like 8$ #4 9mm OEM Extractor is like 18$ Fixed my problem immediately, all spent casings now eject 4 o'clock all day. Any questions feel free to ask away. |
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It is common enough that the coined term for it is Brass To Face (BTF)...so at least you know it isn't just your gun. My friend's Gen3 didn't start until after 1000 rounds and he sent it back to the fcatory of their dime. When returned, the problem was worst and he sent it back again. They replaced it with a new G19 and we're going to shoot it some next Friday. So it cost him another DROS fee, but at least they picked up shipping...which I've been reading they won't always do. If they don't, it's $60 each time and they don't guaranty that it will fix the problem...which they don't admit is a design problem. There are a number of stop gaps using a combination of swapped extractor and ejectors which might work...at least they are cheap
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For some reason, whether it's the fact that we eventually figure out the key to properly shooting a glock, or if it's the recoil spring/extractor/ejector getting broken in and worn in all the right spots, over time the issue eventually subsides (for the most part). I get hit in the head still every now and then, but its gotten very rare (and I shoot primarily less hotter reloaded rounds). Notice how it'll happen every time when you shoot one handed. A lot of it has to do with a firm, and I mean firm, grip. Many people claim to have found the fix: gen4 ejector housing, apex extractor, non-dipped extractor, ect., but I don't think it's an issue that needs to be "fixed". It never happens when I use factory loads. Even the lower end stuff. Congrats on your new glock!
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I had the same issue with a new G17 I bought in May. I took it to a local amorer with no improvement and sent it to Glock. It came back worse. I sent it back and requested a new gun. When the new gun showed up at my local gun shop, I asked if they would exchange it for a new M&P 9. They agreed and I have been totally happy with the M&P (after an Apex DCAEK installation).
The BTF does not show up on every gun, but it happens far more often than one would expect. |
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I guess I got lucky initially with my Gen 4 because I had only a couple of erratic ejections in the first 100 or so rounds. The gun would eject reliably to the 4 o'clock position. After a few hundred more rounds I installed an Apex extractor and the brass was being ejected strongly to the 4 o'clock to the same exact foot wide circle. Ultimately I don't know if I needed it, but it sure didn't hurt anything.
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Even though I have spare RSAs in my tool box, I am still using my Stock Recoil Spring and it's GTG. Besides Sights and maybe the Connector, I try to keep everything OEM parts. Last edited by INFAMOUS762X39; 01-15-2013 at 3:07 PM.. |
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video record her shooting I bet that when fired the muzzle of the gun is near 1-2 o'clock position causing the shells to hit her on the head. Try standing square to the target, shooting hand slightly bent support hand straight forward, slight tightening her arms (without death gripping the gun), both shoulders forward as far as possible, slight lean forward (without stick out her butt), weight on the balls of her feet, tightening her core on respiratory pause, consistent trigger pull to the rear with her trigger finger.
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apex extractor will cure all.
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This.
But I didn't bother replacing it. My g19 gen4 has all OEM parts in it and after 600 rounds or so, the BTF goes away. Sent from iPhone through Tapatalk |
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But the question here is are you still running normal after so many hits to the face? Could not help myself, sorry.
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I still have some breaking in to do on my Gen 4 G17 before I know if it needs it, I'll eventually throw one in anyways since I have the prototype unused. And damn man, I can't believe I'm still forgetting to send you the GFA's I'm going to ask my Wife to remind me. |
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1) Purchase this: http://www.whitesounddefense.com/pro....E.D.-9mm.html 2) Purchase this: http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.a...123268&CAT=200 You will need a pair of pliers to GENTLY remove the 30274 ejector arm from the Gen4 housing that you ordered. Once it is out, put it in your Gen3 housing. Also make sure you install the HRED backwards from the stock plunger configuration. No need for an APEX extractor. |
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There are dozens of people who I know of that did NOT have that combination fix the ejection issue for them. I only tested the HRED as I was sent the incorrect LWD extractor. There is a lot of engineering and testing behind Apex's extractor and I'm proud to be a small piece of it and for it to fix almost every problem gun out there by dropping it in. Others needed fitting. |
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I would buy the Parts suggested & Install yourself, VERY easy! I would NOT send back to Glock, like plenty have done "on Principle" & fail on results. Plenty have with poor or same result. Never send a Firearm, or a Slide, if it isn't absolutely necessary!!! If you need help, PM me, easy to walk someone thru.
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No kickback but I get great discounts already You should have dropped by tomorrow when I'm there.
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I had a few problems with the Gen4, didn't know it was happening in the GEn3. Doesnt sound like BS, sometimes u gotta break in the gun.
Here's my write up in case ur interested http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=682252 |
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