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Old 11-16-2020, 10:20 AM
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Default 45acp side ways primers need help

Hey calguners I have been reloading for a couple of years now on my dillon 650xl .
I switched over from 9mm to 45acp and some of the primers started going in side ways it has never happened to me before any idea why

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Old 11-16-2020, 10:31 AM
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you forgot something/missed a step - start over
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Old 11-16-2020, 11:34 AM
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I have had a few of these in other calibers. But a rarity. Reload your primer tube?
Did you accidentally load spp when you needed Lpp?


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Old 11-16-2020, 11:39 AM
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I've had this happen when loading sp in a lp tube

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Did you change from small pistol primer seater to large pistol like we do in single stage presses?
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Old 11-16-2020, 11:46 AM
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I am using large pistol primers and I made sure I changed tunes the only thing that is deffernt is that I am hand loading the primers into the tube because for some reason the frankford arsenal primer loader keeps getting primers stuck in the hole before the tube so I just loaded them manually

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Old 11-16-2020, 11:48 AM
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I believe I did because I have the 2 deffernt assembly one for small primer and one for large pistol but I will brake it down and check

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Old 11-16-2020, 11:49 AM
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Wich part is the seater the little metel tap the pushes primer

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Wich part is the seater the little metel tap the pushes primer

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The seater screws into the bottom of the shellplate platform.



There are two different sizes, one for small rifle/pistol and the other is for large rifle/pistol.
You unscrew the small one and install the large one.
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Yep thought so have not loaded on a dillon in 25 years.
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I checked in here just to find out the trouble was with Blue & not with Red... Hmmm

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I am going to have to check that thank you all for your feedback I greatly appreciate it

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I checked in here just to find out the trouble was with Blue & not with Red... Hmmm
Put the small primer seater in your red press with large primers and report back what happens...
Better yet, take ALL the primers out of the press and load some rounds and let us know if they leak powder.
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ive had it happen like 3 times on a 550 how fast were you cranking?
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make sure when changing calibers that YOU re adjust the case holder in thingy at the primer station it adjusts with a allen wrench to just lightly push or hold the case for the primer that may cause sideway primers aswell as primer pocket that is tite or has a crimp.
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I get those in batches on my 650 and now on the 750 I can go 2-3 runs (500 rounds) and no problem then get 5-10 in a run. I run primarily CCI primers. ON the 650 I never changed the primer seating piece---always left it on small for over 50K rounds of large primer loads so that wasn't it. I think one poster was close----might be going to fast as I tend to run along pretty good. I find that if you go to fast the new brass doesnt get seated well in the case plate which can in itself cause alignment issues. And then there is the alignment itself. Even bought that tool and the issue was intermittent. I still think its a speed issue.
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You could just ignore sage advice from AR15 Barrels and wait for the smoke and flash.
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Now comes the question is the brass to be thrown away and dipped in water or can I pull the primers out some how I already pulled bullets and powder

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Come to think of it 9 out of 500 doesn't seem so bad i just was used to none coming out bad when I did my 9mm run of 2000

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Deprime on single stage/
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Now comes the question is the brass to be thrown away and dipped in water or can I pull the primers out some how I already pulled bullets and powder

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Make sure you wear safety glasses. Also make sure that the press you deprime the cases on, does not have any primers in or on it. Don't knock these out on your Dillion if the primer tube is loaded.

Then, de prime. Don't rush, don't push hard.

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I am going to deprime them on my redding t7

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Make sure you’re using the correct primer seater and the correct primer disc. There’s 2 separate discs for large and small primers.
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15 years on a Lee turret and never had one like that or up side down. I've always finger primed. But only 2 desk pops.
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Dillon 650’s are notorious on doing this for 45ACP. If you’re able to get ahold of Dillon they will send you an alignment tool. The tool aligns the shell plate with the primer feed. Does it always work ? No. If you still have issues send the press to Dillon. They should fix it for free.
On another note. The 750 has the same priming system as the 550. Hardly no issues on either. According to Dillon you are unable to put the 750 priming system on a 650.
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I have had my 650 since the early 90’s. I have had this issue periodically over the years but always with SPP. I recently found the tightness on the shell plate had a major impact on the issue. I was running it a little to loose and I believe it was causing a case alignment issue. Once tightened a little more it all went away. I also run graphite between the shell plate and base. I have been doing this for years. It does seems to make things run smoother.
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Make sure you’re using the correct primer seater and the correct primer disc. There’s 2 separate discs for large and small primers.
I think he has the large disc with small primers.
That's the only way I can figure so many got turned sideways.
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I've had this happen when loading sp in a lp tube

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just deprime them slow the ones with perfect flips save those they are still good
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Randall is right you have a small primer punch in there you can see from the picture you posted the outline of the small punch so change to large.
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Does any one know if the dillon 650 cam with both small and large primer punch

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The dillon 650 came with both primer punches and as another poster mentioned the tightness of the case plate played a big part as I found out. Speed and tightness of the plate seems to be where I found the issues.
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So would loose plate also cause my issue

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Given the primer situation, please send me the mangled primers you remove. I will carefully reform them and then reuse. lol

I was reloading 308 last night and dropped a primer. Spent 20 minutes on the shop floor searching. You would have thought I dropped a diamond. Down to my last 20 LRP's.
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Dillon includes both punches and both discs and both primer tubes with the press when it's new.
If you bought it 2nd hand, there's no telling if you got all the necessary parts to convert back and forth.
Without actually measuring what you have, we have no way to know if you are using some of the wrong parts.
With large primers, you should not be able to fit them into the small primer parts but the small punch would push large primers into cases.
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So would loose plate also cause my issue
Possibly.
Anything that creates more space the a primer to move around during the process is a potential problem.
You want as little EXTRA movement of the priming system parts as you can get.
If you get things too tight, they will not move freely though so don't do that either.
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Down to my last 20 LRP's.
I got a few partial 100ct sleeves of older large rifle primers if you want to come grab them.
CCI, Remington and Federal.
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I have been using a Dillon 650 for over 23 years and I have had the same problem. The vibration on the press as it is indexing to the next station has caused the primers in the priming station to flip onto their side.
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I have a combination that creates a stutter/chadder when the ram is raised. The primer flips upside down or on its side when the studded/chadder causes a vibration ; and it is the vibration that causes the primer to flip.

When priming on the press It becomes a big problem when using old shell holders on a RCBS press.

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Dillon 650 uses two different size Primer magazines(tubes), two different primer seaters, two different rotary primer discs. Check your instruction manual.
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