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Old 11-25-2008, 7:01 PM
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You guys are making me getting one of these with all the nice pictures -
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Old 11-25-2008, 7:05 PM
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Too bad they dumped all the surplus into Tokyo harbor, making 6.5 Arisaka very pricey!
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Old 11-25-2008, 7:26 PM
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Some friendly tips:
do not under any handle any nihonto blade with bare hands, the oils can damage it.

likewise, don't attempt to sharpen, clean, or "restore" any sword yourself. It ends bad for the user, ends bad for the sword, ends bad for the history.

Saigon, I'm surprised you don't have one already! Japanese tactics were brutally simple, stealthy, and myth has it; many officers trying to escape war crime prosecution went to vietnam
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Old 11-25-2008, 7:40 PM
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Anybody know where I can get a bayo,spring and follower for my Arisaka 99
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Old 11-26-2008, 6:33 AM
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After all these years - I've just begun collecting C&R - My knowledge is very limited - I've heard of Japanese staying after the war also -

Now help me find a rifle please -

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Old 11-26-2008, 10:22 PM
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I know of a pre-ditch transitional arisaka made off of a refurbished reciever. Still safe to shoot, but I wouldn't risk it
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Mine was painted white.. I call it the Yetti Hunter

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Here are a few photos of one of my Japanese rifles. It's an unusual type 38 as It was later converted to fire the 7.62x39mm round and had a type 56 (SKS) type bayonet installed by the Chinese.





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thanks for the ammo info gents.
Also if you upload to an outside host, you won't have the size restriction. So you can show better detailed pics.
Ammunitiontogo has it at about $1 per round:

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalo...le-ammo-77-jap

http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/catalo...le-ammo-65-jap

I'm sure so do many other online retailers.
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what kind of money do these go for? These really are some very beautiful rifles
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Old 12-04-2008, 10:28 PM
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SVT40 - I've seen a few like your Chinese conversion rifle. I'd love to have one! How does it shoot?

Gilroyguns - Prices vary quite a bit. Sometimes you can really stumble upon a good deal now and then. I'd say a mummed and matched rifle that hasn't been messed with can go from about $300 to $500 and occasionally more if it has all the goodies and gadgets. Carbines tend to go for a $100 more.
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what does mummed mean ?
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Wow! Nice rifles! "Mummed" means that the royal crest chrysanthemum on top of the receiver has not been scrubbed/obliterated. There are several explanations why they had to be scrubbed - one having to to with this being the symbol of the emperor and it being a disgrace to hand it over at surrender.

Here's my carbine that I posted on the .org site:

T38 carbine, series 4, Nagoya arsenal (nearest I can tell). This one was a gift from my bro for my b-day from a while back.













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Old 12-07-2008, 11:11 PM
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Here are a few photos of one of my Japanese rifles. It's an unusual type 38 as It was later converted to fire the 7.62x39mm round and had a type 56 (SKS) type bayonet installed by the Chinese.
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Most issued Arisaka rifles were stamped or engraved with an empirical seal of the reigning monarchy. During the reign of Emperor Showa (Hirohito) the dynastic seal was that of a Chrysanthemum or "mum" for short.

The government system was Feudal for centuries where regular citizenry were not allowed to own weaponry (swords and guns). This changed in the 1800s when the feudal system was broken. When Emperor Meiji(1860's- AKA Last Samurai period) took over, he toppled the Tokugawa and established his brand of government. This was the beginning of the Monarchistic Fascist (Imperial) Japan. Like any autocracy, the Monarchy is regarded as the state, and that they are the supreme law of the land... In fact, most cases are in almost god-like status. When war broke out, it was up to the state to supply each soldier with an arm. The seals on the weapon represented the "true ownership" of the weapon; the state, thus the Emperor Himself.

The Empirical seals on just about everything was defaced because it was regarded as shameful and an insult to surrender the Emperor's property and is an act of "saving face".

Any marked item to escape defiling were either captured(surrendered posthumously) or never issued, thus command a higher value. This includes blades, flag staffs, and small arms.


Swords are another huge can of worms. The representation is not only embedded in the military culture, but is also religious and social cultures. This stems from the installation of the Tokugawa (shogunate) governments during the feudal periods. The state took swords out of the hands of the regular citizenry. To own such a thing was to be of the aristocracy or even nobility. Bayonets of the Imperial period were fashioned after swords, everyone soldier had one. The representation was that they are no longer just a peasant on the lord's land, but rather a direct servant (Samurai) of the Emperor. Kind of a semi-upgrade to aristocracy.

and now you know!
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After all these years - I've just begun collecting C&R - My knowledge is very limited - I've heard of Japanese staying after the war also -

Now help me find a rifle please -
Some stayed on for a LONG time after the war, some staying into the late 1960's and 1970's IIRC in Guam and Philippines, refusing to surrender and not knowing war was over.
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I need a few more Arisakas to fit my bayonets.
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Old 12-08-2008, 6:39 PM
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:P looks like you need more scabbards more than anything
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Wow.

Good guy to ask: what's the approx value of Arisaka bayonets?

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decent condition Type 30 in friendly circles would start at $50 for a typical war-era example minus scabbard, while with scabbard will start at $75 and up

outside friendly circles on ebay and gunshows, prices will start at 100 for a destroyed one, and may go up to as high as $200 for a typical example with scabbard.

Demilled and Cutdown ones can be found for roughly 25, and are generally in no usable shape or collectable condition.
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I feel inadequate for some reason... (posted this on the .org site)

Bayonets:
Top - Jinsen arsenal.
Bottom - Manufacturer - unknown. No readily visible markings. I haven't pulled the grips off (if so then I don't remember) so perhaps there is something under there.



Jinsen arsenal close-ups. I got this one with the T99 I bought from Bain and Davis.




Unknown close-ups. Interesting carvings in the handle. This was from my dad's friend where he used to work.


I don't know if this is supposed to be a "46".

Although I have Japanese ancestry, I neither read nor write Japanese. No habla Nihongo (how's that for mixing it up). Okay, in your best Toshiro Mifune voice say: you are a disgrace to the Japanese!!
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Your first bayonet was made at Jinsen Rikugun Zoheisho Arsenal in occupied Korea. It's a 150th series, an LB-155A.

The second bayonet is a training bayonet. They are commonly found with a variety of markings and brands. Yours appears to have a school brand on one side of the grips.
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Out of the 14 Type 30 bayonets pictured, only 4 are missing scabbards. I need more frogs.
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Thanks for the info albacore! That was fascinating.
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Out of the 14 Type 30 bayonets pictured, only 4 are missing scabbards. I need more frogs.
I'm on board with ya for that one, I can never get enough frogs.

Avoid the IMA repop leather, the ones they send me always exhibit dry rot.
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I'm on board with ya for that one, I can never get enough frogs.

Avoid the IMA repop leather, the ones they send me always exhibit dry rot.
I avoid anything that's a reproduction. I traded all my reproduction SVT-40 mags for Japanese bayonets.
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Although I have Japanese ancestry, I neither read nor write Japanese. No habla Nihongo (how's that for mixing it up). Okay, in your best Toshiro Mifune voice say: you are a disgrace to the Japanese!!
I feel your pain, I speak Spanish poorly which makes many which share some of my ancestry feel superior to me even though most speak a bastardized version of it I commonly see misspelled by them. And I love your sig line, I'm still figuring out if FFLs are allowed to refure PPts at gunshows they se up at legally or not.

Anyways very nice bayonet pics and Spiggy I want you to look at my bayonet and sole Arisaka eventually.
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