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Old 03-18-2017, 8:43 AM
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I was just there two weeks ago and there wasn't a fence or a gate, so the news can't be that old.
Symantics...
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Just came back from steele peak. There is a fence being installed just the poles are up but the gate was unlocked still no ordinance signs or any signs up on the bay where people shoot
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Come on guys. Lets pick up the trash out there after you are done shooting. There is now a huge federal sign at the entrance to the BLM shooting area that is from the Bureau itself stating that Steele Peak will be shut down if we can't keep it clean. It's now quite a popular spot and more and more hoodlums are shooting out there. I'm not blaming the Calgunners, but the punk kids that don't give a heck. I shoot out there every week. I was happy to see a guy in a truck loading his bed up with a bunch of trash, as we loaded up our 2 trucks also. We always take out more than what we bring. A little help goes a long way. Its pretty sad seeing such a good shooting area getting trashed. Pick up yours and then some and lecture those little hoodlums if you see them leaving crap.
OP, I think it's about time to change the title as it is no longer a shooting area.
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Old 03-19-2017, 8:57 AM
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OP, I think it's about time to change the title as it is no longer a shooting area.
More like it is time to delete all threads that talk about any local shooting area because forums like this and others are spreading the word too quickly!
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Just came back from steele peak. There is a fence being installed just the poles are up but the gate was unlocked still no ordinance signs or any signs up on the bay where people shoot
Drove up by the entrance this morning and saw the gate open and lots of people shooting. The gate was not unlocked though, the lock was still locked on the chain and the chain had been cut. I found the cut link on the ground right next to the gate.
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Drove up by the entrance this morning and saw the gate open and lots of people shooting. The gate was not unlocked though, the lock was still locked on the chain and the chain had been cut. I found the cut link on the ground right next to the gate.
That's funny as hell!!! Probably the same type of people who trashed the place to begin with --- No respect for anything -- laws, or locked gates!

Sounds like RCSO/BLM is going to have to start writing expensive tickets, or arresting fools soon!
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Drove up by the entrance this morning and saw the gate open and lots of people shooting. The gate was not unlocked though, the lock was still locked on the chain and the chain had been cut. I found the cut link on the ground right next to the gate.
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That's funny as hell!!! Probably the same type of people who trashed the place to begin with --- No respect for anything -- laws, or locked gates!

Sounds like RCSO/BLM is going to have to start will begin writing expensive tickets, or arresting fools soon!

Sounds like the plan is taking shape and working.

When I spoke with Aaron (BLM ranger) last month he said they would warn people and just ask them to leave, but that eventually citations would be handed out.

Signs have been posted for a month now. Word has gotten out and rangers have personally informed people.

Apparently a locked gate has been installed.

Someone had the bright idea to cut the lock and trespass already?

I'd say those citations will be along shortly.

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Sounds like the plan is taking shape and working.

When I spoke with Aaron (BLM ranger) last month he said they would warn people and just ask them to leave, but that eventually citations would be handed out.

Signs have been posted for a month now. Word has gotten out and rangers have personally informed people.

Apparently a locked gate has been installed.

Someone had the bright idea to cut the lock and trespass already?

I'd say those citations will be along shortly.

Good.
Yeah, and so long to the area still being open to off-roading and/or hunting with a locked gate and soon to be installed fence!

SO MUCH FOR OUR PUBLIC USAGE OF FEDERAL BLM LANDS!!!
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Sad progression.
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Yeah, and so long to the area still being open to off-roading and/or hunting with a locked gate and soon to be installed fence!

SO MUCH FOR OUR PUBLIC USAGE OF FEDERAL BLM LANDS!!!
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Sad progression.
^^^ Ain't that the truth!

I'm just jaded now. I can't wait to start reading about people bichin' and moanin' about being fined.


Per Ord. 514.10.....

" Section 11. It shall be unlawful for any person to violate any provision of this
ordinance. Any person violating any provision of this ordinance shall be deemed guilty of
an infraction or misdemeanor as hereinafter specified. Such person shall be deemed guilty
of a separate offense for each and every day or portion thereof during which any violation
of any of the provisions of this ordinance is committed, continued, or permitted.

Any person so convicted shall be: (1) guilty of an infraction offense and punished by a
fine not exceeding one hundred dollars ($100.00) for a first violation; (2) guilty of an
infraction offense and punished by a fine not exceeding two hundred dollars ($200.00) for a
second violation. The third and any additional violations shall constitute a misdemeanor
offense and shall be punishable by a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000.00)
or six (6) months in jail, or both. Notwithstanding the above, a first offense may be charged
and prosecuted as a misdemeanor. Payment of any penalty herein shall not relieve a
person from the responsibility for correcting the violation.
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It seems like I've been run off of "public lands" from much of SoCal going back to the 70's when the Sierra Club was suing to keep off roaders from encroaching on desert habitats of tortoises and various "endangered" wildlife.

Irresponsible shooters trashing public lands, trespassing and vandalizing have been kicking me out of shooting spots for the last twenty years now.

Some argue that irresponsible shooters leaving trash and trespassing is only a small part of the problem, but the fact is that places have been closed because of it. BLM has also threatened closing areas because of the high volume of trash left in areas.

Then there are those who say other people besides shooters dump there also, and that is what closes spots down. I say BS to that, as this is what kind of trash is usually found; targets, old shot up furniture and appliances, spent cases, ammo boxes, etc.

(No, those aren't my targets and trash, that's how I found the spot when I pulled up.)

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Yeah, and so long to the area still being open to off-roading and/or hunting with a locked gate and soon to be installed fence!

SO MUCH FOR OUR PUBLIC USAGE OF FEDERAL BLM LANDS!!!
Yeah, I specifically asked a ranger if motorcycles were still allowed to cruise around, and he said yes. And now we see them building a fence. They're coming for one hobby at a time to take our freedom away easier. I still think we should protest and give them a hard time. Or if they take one spot away, they have to declare another spot for shooting.
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Yeah, I specifically asked a ranger if motorcycles were still allowed to cruise around, and he said yes. And now we see them building a fence. They're coming for one hobby at a time to take our freedom away easier. I still think we should protest and give them a hard time. Or if they take one spot away, they have to declare another spot for shooting.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your zeal in wanting to fight this.

Problem is, the BLM's hands are tied. All of SP is within one linear mile of the Lake Elsinore city limit, and Ord. 514 is explicit in conveying that discharging of firearms is prohibited within one mile of any city boundary in Western Riverside County.

Find additional BLM land as an alternative location to shoot? This is also a problem. BLM specifies that if its public land is surrounded by private property, an individual must be granted permission to cross said private property by its owner. Don't get permission and get fingered by someone, RCSD will cite for trespassing and Ord. 514 violation if circumstances allow.

The fact is, BLM land is scarce in western Riv. Co., and is often an island surrounded by private property. SP's saving grace was that a road literally led you right to its front entrance. I honestly don't even know if it is a county maintained road or a private road.

Yarjarar, just take your KTM and your guns and head out to the desert. Yeah, it's farther and more inconvenient, but there's a lot more freedom and less idiots.
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Fence is done. Heavy duty steel cable is up between all the posts and the gate has been repaired. A BLM ranger and what appeared to be a DFG warden were sitting in their trucks at the top of the hill, out of view from the entrance, when I was there yesterday morning about 1130. Photos of the fence attached.
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Fence is done. Heavy duty steel cable is up between all the posts and the gate has been repaired. A BLM ranger and what appeared to be a DFG warden were sitting in their trucks at the top of the hill, out of view from the entrance, when I was there yesterday morning about 1130. Photos of the fence attached.
Wonder where they 'Found' the money for the fence ...............
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Old 03-23-2017, 12:36 PM
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Wonder where they 'Found' the money for the fence ...............
Now that there is no shooting, off-roading, etc... I wonder who's going to clean up the place. BLM doesn't have the manpower or money for that!
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Wonder where they 'Found' the money for the fence ...............
I wonder if funding came from the City of Lake Elsinore in exchange for enforcing county ordinances? The old "You scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours".
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Some one lock themselves to the fence and do a hunger strike till they re open it
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Nah, gun owners and our rights are fair game for any and all attacks in this socialist state.
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So we can bring our own lock to keep the Rangers out now? Perfect.
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So if there is a fence and a gate how are you supposed to even hike there?
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Went by today.

Shiny new steel post and cable fence, gate open, dubious signage.

No shooting heard from the road.

Called PS-BLM office and was told it was closed due to County Ordinance 514, and that they were obligated to comply.

What a bunch of bull-sh*t.




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So if there is a fence and a gate how are you supposed to even hike there?
Climb over or under the fence... the feds don't enforce illegal fence crossings!

But you'll become an "illegal" or "undocumented" hiker!

Signage says nothing about hiking or off roading!
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Is there anything we can do to take our shooting spot back or you guys think its done?
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Is there anything we can do to take our shooting spot back or you guys think its done?
Stick a fork in it... it is done!

You cannot fight a Riverside county ordinance and/or the City of Lake Elsinore annexing the land just to the west!

Sadly this will probably cause overcrowding at the next closest legal spot and it's closure, as trash is also an issue there, and has been for years!
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so where can we shoot? this is crazy
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so where can we shoot? this is crazy
PALA...


Deliverance just shut down too
Suggest you find some legal blm outside of the 909/951
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so where can we shoot? this is crazy
Outdoors and free???

Barstow is the best spot now!

OR

Pay and go to one of many ranges in the IE!
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Just saw the post from Rancho Deliverance as well... sad times! They're trying back door gun control!

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Just saw the post from Rancho Deliverance as well... sad times! They're trying back door gun control!

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Yeah total bull manure!

https://www.facebook.com/DeliveranceRange/

So Rancho Deliverance must also be within 1 mile of the city of Lake Elsinore.

We are truly screwed!
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Yeah total bull manure!

https://www.facebook.com/DeliveranceRange/

So Rancho Deliverance must also be within 1 mile of the city of Lake Elsinore.

We are truly screwed!
Yeah pretty much. Also seems that Riverside County sectioning of where its located is 'Natural Assets' which doesn't allow a conditional use permit for target shooting which could let it be exempt from Ord 514.10
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Yeah pretty much. Also seems that Riverside County sectioning of where its located is 'Natural Assets' which doesn't allow a conditional use permit for target shooting which could let it be exempt from Ord 514.10
Rancho Deliverance is not an established business, so it would not fall in category 10 anyway. I highly doubt the City of Elsinore would give them the permits either...

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so where in barstow can we shoot... is there a map of where the blm land is?
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so where in barstow can we shoot... is there a map of where the blm land is?
Use your google-fu grasshopper!

I (and many others here) refuse to give directions, co-ords, or street names to legal shooting spots in a public forum such as this. Forums like this are great, but contribute to the problem when posting locations to spots to shoot.

I can tell you with much certainty that CGN, AR15.com, and other forums contributed to increased traffic and trash at Steele Peak over the last decade. The few spots left need to remain clean and free of trash, or we all suffer!
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so where in barstow can we shoot... is there a map of where the blm land is?
Barstow is located in San Bernardino County. Like Riverside County, there are shooting ordinances that limit areas that you can legally shoot. Unlike Riverside County San Bernardino County has produced a map of legal shooting areas that you can download from their website. John Bishop, who is a Calguns member, and was also on the San Bernardino County Fish and Game Commission, has provided links to these maps on his posts. Here is a link to the SB County Fish and Game Commission website:

http://cms.sbcounty.gov/parks/Fishan...ommission.aspx

Also, you have to identify which areas are BLM controlled. You can contact the BLM Barstow office for more information on areas that are legal to shoot. Generally, any BLM land north of Barstow is good. South of Barstow is mostly shotgun only per San Bernardino County shooting regs.
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Barstow is located in San Bernardino County. Like Riverside County, there are shooting ordinances that limit areas that you can legally shoot. Unlike Riverside County San Bernardino County has produced a map of legal shooting areas that you can download from their website. John Bishop, who is a Calguns member, and was also on the San Bernardino County Fish and Game Commission, has provided links to these maps on his posts. Here is a link to the SB County Fish and Game Commission website:

http://cms.sbcounty.gov/parks/Fishan...ommission.aspx

Also, you have to identify which areas are BLM controlled. You can contact the BLM Barstow office for more information on areas that are legal to shoot. Generally, any BLM land north of Barstow is good. South of Barstow is mostly shotgun only per San Bernardino County shooting regs.
Half Cocked --- Great way to get more spots shut down due to trash and stuff.

Probably not a great idea to post links to maps, etc... unless seeing these few spots left closed down too. Its the folks who are too lazy to figure this stuff out on their own that are most likely too lazy to pick up after themselves.
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Half Cocked --- Great way to get more spots shut down due to trash and stuff.

Probably not a great idea to post links to maps, etc... unless seeing these few spots left closed down too. Its the folks who are too lazy to figure this stuff out on their own that are most likely too lazy to pick up after themselves.
So, you want people to go and shoot in illegal areas? I don't think that you bothered to look at the San Bernardino County shooting map in the link that I posted. It only shows which areas are legal to shoot and which are restricted. Just as in Riverside County, San Bernardino county has shooting restrictions.
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So, you want people to go and shoot in illegal areas? I don't think that you bothered to look at the San Bernardino County shooting map in the link that I posted. It only shows which areas are legal to shoot and which are restricted. Just as in Riverside County, San Bernardino county has shooting restrictions.
No... with so many areas to shoot now lost... I don't want to make finding a new legal spot so easy for the lazy and Internet illiterate! Nor will I post locations, maps, streets, or directions... let them find their own way!

BTW... I could care less if some moron shoots at an illegal spot and gets a ticket!
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No... with so many areas to shoot now lost... I don't want to make finding a new legal spot so easy for the lazy and Internet illiterate! Nor will I post locations, maps, streets, or directions... let them find their own way!

BTW... I could care less if some moron shoots at an illegal spot and gets a ticket!


Agree 100%

Steele peak/Christmas tree (whatever you knew it by) was a victim of this. Before people knew about it you could go there on any given day and shoot safely with relatively zero trash. But once it became public knowledge that was all she wrote
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