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Old 03-13-2018, 12:43 AM
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Obviously I'm not a Glock expert, hopefully fellow CalGunners can share some insights.

Turner's is offering a Glock 19 Police Trade In for $479.98. It states "Unissued New In Box" and "Unissued Police Trade In", Model number PR19509.

I search the model number and came back as "Refurbished".

My questions are:

What does the term "Unissued New In Box" & "Unissued Police Trade In" mean?

1. Does it mean the gun started out as a new gun, came back for some reason and refurbished by Glock factory and then police agencies buys these for their department use?

If that's the case, police agencies buys "refurbished" guns for duty use??

2. Or are these guns were used by police who traded back in to Glock and Glock refurbished them and resell back to the public?

Its a bit confusing when the term "Unissued New In Box" as the word "new" is used but has a refurbished model number and "Unissued Police Trade In", "Unissued" - who were they suppose to issued these police trade-ins to in the first place?

At the end of the day, what are these guns, is it just a refurbished Glock 19 for $479.98? and all those terms describe earlier are just marketing slogans?

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Old 03-13-2018, 12:58 AM
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I’m no expert but from my understanding when a department buys guns from Glock it includes a few different times the department can send in old ones for newly refurbished guns. My guess is the ones turners is selling were indeed refurbished for a department but they perhaps sat in storage and were never used, thus the label “new unfired”
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Doesn't sound like any kind of deal to me.
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Usually means a Department purchased the firearm, but never issued it to anyone. It sat in the armory until it was time for some new equipment. So it was sold back to Glock or some other manufacturer/distributor who then sold them to Turner's.

When a Department buys new guns the old guns are often traded in or sold to whoever is selling the new equipment in order to bring the cost down of their new gear.
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Usually means a Department purchased the firearm, but never issued it to anyone. It sat in the armory until it was time for some new equipment. So it was sold back to Glock or some other manufacturer/distributor who then sold them to Turner's.

When a Department buys new guns the old guns are often traded in or sold to whoever is selling the new equipment in order to bring the cost down of their new gear.
Doesn't mean it wasn't used or carried.

Also, that's a terrible price for a LE trade ibn
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Doesn't mean it wasn't used or carried.

Also, that's a terrible price for a LE trade ibn
"Unissued" usually means no one used it or carried it. Otherwise it would classified as issued.

As for the price... yeah, it's high. Then again commercial prices for Glock still surprise me. That blue label pricing spoils you.

ETA: Unless the gun comes with at least 3 mags and night sights. That would change things.
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G19 NIB is $510, only $30 more, go for the new one.
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I would say this, or sign up for gssf and get blue label price.
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Doesn't sound like any kind of deal to me.
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Old 03-13-2018, 8:39 AM
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Really depends on the sights as others have said. If they are factory then I would pass. If you like the sights then I would of think about it. You are going to spend $50-125 sights. You canít install Glock sights super easy on your own but a lot of people want to pay someone to do that. That will run you 30-75 as well.
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These Glocks have been issued to a Police Dept, sat in storage at said Police Dept, and then sold back to Glock. (Most likely for new Generations). Glock then gives them a once over and sells them to dealers as "Refurbished" guns. These are brand new Glock 19s (Un-Issued & Un-Fired), if you don't count the fact that they sat in storage at a Police Dept.
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This isn't a horrible deal if you aren't able to obtain a GSSF or Blue Label discount.

The Trijicon night sights makes this LEO trade-in a value.

The only downside is having to wade through Turners to get the deal since, there is a lot of interest and the lines will be long.
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How old are the sights? Not really a deal if you need to replace them.
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G19s go for $499, brand new and unmolested.

Why bother with surplus, returned, refurbished, etc for $20 bucks less?

It would be worth looking at if they sold them for $300 with 3 mags.
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Old 03-13-2018, 9:26 AM
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These Glocks have been issued to a Police Dept, sat in storage at said Police Dept, and then sold back to Glock. (Most likely for new Generations). Glock then gives them a once over and sells them to dealers as "Refurbished" guns. These are brand new Glock 19s (Un-Issued & Un-Fired), if you don't count the fact that they sat in storage at a Police Dept.
If they are bought by glock and refurbished, how would you know if it was never issued/never fired. Wouldn't you have to assume they at least have been used? So basically fired?
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Guns were probably returned due to accuracy issues.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1429008
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So if you price out new, you would be looking at $499 for the gun at Riflegear or other shop plus about $90-125 for the night sights depending on the ones you want. Glock sights are super easy to install but you have to make the call if you want to pay someone to install them. 499+90+35=624.

If it comes with 2-3 two factory mags, you like the sights and they still glow strong (we have no idea how long they have been in storage, but you should 10 years out of them), when I would jump on it.
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I think it's funny how people worry about a Glocks round count. Most departments can't afford the amount of ammo to put the amount of wear in a Glock that I would care about.

More damage is done to police guns by dropping them than shooting them.
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These Glocks have been issued to a Police Dept, sat in storage at said Police Dept, and then sold back to Glock. (Most likely for new Generations). Glock then gives them a once over and sells them to dealers as "Refurbished" guns. These are brand new Glock 19s (Un-Issued & Un-Fired), if you don't count the fact that they sat in storage at a Police Dept.
Thanks for the explanation.
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Not a deal. Glocks are $499 new and with Gen 5 out, Gen 3 and 4 are supposed to be even cheaper now, MAP was reduced I thought to $479 or $459 on Gen 3?
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These Turners guns also have night sights.... Some people were wondering.
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Thanks for the explanation.
Well, it sounds more like "a little old lady from Pasadena" explanation to me.
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These Glocks have been issued to a Police Dept, sat in storage at said Police Dept, and then sold back to Glock. (Most likely for new Generations). Glock then gives them a once over and sells them to dealers as "Refurbished" guns. These are brand new Glock 19s (Un-Issued & Un-Fired), if you don't count the fact that they sat in storage at a Police Dept.
Thank you for explaining. So if I understand this correctly, Glock first sold these 19s to a police agency as BRAND NEW, agency never issued and left in storage, then agency sold back to Glock, Glock give them a once over, sells to dealers as "Refurbished" hence the model number.

Quick questions:
1. How long was it sat in that agency's storage?
2. Who installed the Trijicon sights?
3. Lastly, with respect, are there documentation from Glock stating that its a Brand New stock which sat in storage and return and now relabel as Refurbished as said? Did some research on "Refurbished" Glocks, sure they go over but found some that had barrels fired in the 100 thousands from LE training hence asking documentation.

Thank you much.

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If they are bought by glock and refurbished, how would you know if it was never issued/never fired. Wouldn't you have to assume they at least have been used? So basically fired?
Yeah, because obviously both Glock and Turners are involved in a plot to lie to you about the history of these G19s for.... reasons....
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These Turners guns also have night sights.... Some people were wondering.


Glad to see someone reads. Whether the deal makes sense to someone or not....at least compare apples to apples


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Yeah, because obviously both Glock and Turners are involved in a plot to lie to you about the history of these G19s for.... reasons....
Sfe187 asked the right questions.

He is stating that he knows for sure they sat in a store room, but how does he actually know this?
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Turners has their issues but they have always correctly represented the guns that they are selling. That has been my experience.
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Sfe187 asked the right questions.

He is stating that he knows for sure they sat in a store room, but how does he actually know this?
Again, this is the Turner's Rep telling you the provenance of these guns.

Now sure, Glock COULD be lying to Turner's but the 'gain' of a few bucks would be offset by the complete lack of trust from their customers if they were ever caught.

Seriously, the chain of custody is 'LEA, Glock, Turners'.

Which of those three do you think is being less than truthful and remember the further back you go the more are complicit because there's no way the LEA could tell Glock 'These weren't issued or fired' and Glock would not be able to tell.
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OP, I am in the camp of....buy new. Glocks aren't terribly expensive. If you are short on cash, put one on layaway.
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Sfe187 asked the right questions.

He is stating that he knows for sure they sat in a store room, but how does he actually know this?
Buy one...the look exactly like a new gun should look, inside and outside. "He" knows for sure probably because the police department's armorer told him...and again, you cannot tell one from new in a side-by-side comparison.

The guns are also noted in the ad below as "used". That simply means that the guns had a previous owner, who may or may not have shot one.

Turner's price is OK, but not great. Check https://www.recoilgunworks.com/glock...d-p-36602.html


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Turners has their issues but they have always correctly represented the guns that they are selling. That has been my experience.
QFT, especially the part about "their issues".
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Again, this is the Turner's Rep telling you the provenance of these guns.

Now sure, Glock COULD be lying to Turner's but the 'gain' of a few bucks would be offset by the complete lack of trust from their customers if they were ever caught.

Seriously, the chain of custody is 'LEA, Glock, Turners'.

Which of those three do you think is being less than truthful and remember the further back you go the more are complicit because there's no way the LEA could tell Glock 'These weren't issued or fired' and Glock would not be able to tell.
As I,understand it, Glock is selling it as refurbished/ factory rebuilt, and that is fine.

The Turners rep is stating they have never been fired/ stored at LEA. All I'm asking is if there is some extra notice that turners gets that verifies this.
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They sell the police trade ins to the public now? I remember a G22 they had for between 250 and 300 I wanted and they refused to even let me look at it as it was a LEO purchase only.
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I guese a lot of people don't understand unissued.

I bet you they also come with night sights......
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As I,understand it, Glock is selling it as refurbished/ factory rebuilt, and that is fine.

The Turners rep is stating they have never been fired/ stored at LEA. All I'm asking is if there is some extra notice that turners gets that verifies this.
From personal experience of many years, plus what I have read about Turners on various forums,

I DO NOT TRUST TURNERS OR WHAT THEIR COUNTER CLERKS HAVE TO SAY.

Most of the times, They have no clues what the F' they are talking about.
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I guese a lot of people don't understand unissued.

I bet you they also come with night sights......
I don't think a lot of people know how to read.
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Freakin eh all the keyboard commandos got their tactical briefs wadded up over a Glock 19 for a few bucks off - honestly the initial retail price for a gun is the cheapest part of owning a gun. If it has decent sights, it’s a deal.
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Can someone tell me where is says unissued not fired in the ad....

https://www.turners.com/glock/glock-...ade-in--664310
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Can someone tell me where is says unissued not fired in the ad....

https://www.turners.com/glock/glock-...ade-in--664310
Well I am going off the info provided in the OP

But Turners did respond and also restated unissued.......
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Well I am going off the info provided in the OP

But Turners did respond and also restated unissued.......
I was hoping to know where the OP saw it, was it in the ad?

I guess if it was written on those interwebs, it must be true.
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