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San Francisco
Anyone who gets denied in San Francisco Co (either by the city's PD or by the Sheriff's Office), and wants to fight it should read the following quote from my ("Paladin") post in the Monterey Co thread. (There they accept SD as GC, but push the GMC requirement.) The 14th Amendment Equal Protection applies to ALL aspects of the application process, not just GC and GMC.
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Last edited by Paladin; 07-09-2015 at 6:23 AM.. Reason: removed GCS avail from title; added suggestion re. 14th A EP |
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No policy for the City and County of SF?
http://www.ninehundred.net/~equalccw/sfsheriff.gif Allegedly, a copy of the CCW policy can be found in the San Francisco Sheriff's Department Policy and Procedures Manual. This is said to be available on CD from: Sheriff’s Department Administration Division Room 456 City Hall 1 Dr. Carlton B. Goodlett Street San Francisco, CA, 94102 The San Francisco Police Department (city) may or may not have a CCW policy. |
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Interestingly, SF *still* has no policy... yet.
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county counsel and the sheriff sure don't like that word though.
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it's san francisco. they don't issue to us mere mortals, no?
i'd love to apply for one. there's been a couple of muggings/beatings and shootings on my block to some of my neighbours, which makes me leery about things that go "bump in the night." |
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San Francisco will be a 'last bastion' for CCW permit applications. That does not mean that they should be let off the hook when it comes to the absolute requirement to comply with the law. |
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Absolutely not. You need to be a prominent local politician (Sen. Feinstein), a DA, etc.
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SF is the only consolidated city / county entity in California so it's in an unusual position WRT CCW issuance. SFPD and SF sheriff are both part of the same entity, even though they are separate bodies.
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absolutely correct. esseff is just a major pain in the okole when it comes to 2a. most of the current establishment/machine is against 2a. however, with k.harris running for ag, she'll not be too involved in local politics after she gets out. c.daly is termed-out. the biggest hurdle is sheriff hennessy, who won't issue. we probably have some other lefty stupidvisors that are anti, but the hope is that there are cooler heads that may realize that a prolonged fight under the current 2a-climate is a bad idea.
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I have posted SF's approved good cause. That's singular since there is only 1.
We'll have more on that later; for now, if you have a good cause which is similar in nature to the approved GC statement, please email us at ccw@calgunsfoundation.org. http://calgunsfoundation.org/index.p...-san-francisco
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Wow, I read it, and it's nothing too unusual. A deputy is facing termination and focuses on applicant. Well, a lot of people get angry if they are fired, and focus their anger on someone they think is responsible (a boss etc). In fact this is probably a major factor in workplace violence. So probably quite a few people in SF would be able to use that as a GC. Really anyone who is a boss and has to fire employees occasionally.
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So what it suggests is that the CCW holder is *not* a LEO, and either 1) a civilian employee of the department who, somehow involved in the Deputy's dismissal, or 2) a civilian who isn't an employee of the department and is somehow involved in the Deputy's dismissal. Either way, this has the potential to be real insider-y..... --Neill
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Why is there only 1 good caue statement? I thought they've issued about 20 CCWs or something like that in about 30 years...
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Clearly. It must have been a non-sworn sheriffs dept employee. So... that means that any employer in SF who dismisses an employee who is known to be armed and who makes threats should be similarly situated and should get a CCW. Most company owners, or anyone who has been through some firings, has received threats and angry reactions, so this good cause would apply to a lot of biz owners in SF.
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It's not potentially insider-y, it is as insider-y as it gets.
I will be emailing the SF volunteers soon... -Brandon Quote:
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yea, but at least mar is less of a hot-head. then again, he's still out there, altho if the worst he can do is happy meal toys, he's more like daly-lite.
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Due process? What's that? This is I wonder if LCAV will donate their legal services pro bono to defend the endless wave of CCW litigation from qualified San Francisco residents? |
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sfs henney has pretty much said that he won't ever grant a ccw. thus, it falls to the sfpd/cop. but i don't think that cop will issue to non-politicians/judges. cop is appointed, so they don't have to worry about political donors like sfs does.
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But...he did grant a CCW to someone. Remember, "insidery as it gets" means something.
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yep, hence my 'pretty much' disclaimer.
how does the 'insidery' part help us ordinary citizens, since none of us can claim the same 'good' cause. guess we can't exactly cry discrimination, since that cause was so specific. then again, if youse all have something up that sleeve, i wouldn't mind at all. oh, well...like i said, esseff will be kicking and screaming until the end. |
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As morally corrupt as this particular situation is, we will not "out" any CCW holder or applicant. We made a public commitment to preserve the privacy of the applicants whose information we requested as part of this investigation, and are firmly committed to maintaining it.
Our goal is to make carry permits accessible to all, not produce a "gotcha" journalism piece.
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What if that holder is Juliet Leftwich or Paul Helmke? Or can you at least give us a hint? "A major victim disarmament proponent himself/herself hypocritically refuses to be a victim."
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Your description just makes me want to know who it is even more, though Looking forward to storming the gates -- --Neill
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The good cause will be available soon enough. -Gray |
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[homer] But I want it NOW[/homer]
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It's already posted here.
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PDF Does not work for me, I attempt to open it and all I get is a blank page..
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That's only 1 good cause statement
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