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Old 11-20-2017, 3:49 PM
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I just read up on the new gun/ammo regulations that are going to start in 2018 and was wondering if I should invest in buying ammo now or reloading? I can still buy ammo (9mm) from locations next year but I'm not sure how cost effective it'll be?

http://www.laxrange.com/california-gun-laws/
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I just read up on the new gun/ammo regulations that are going to start in 2018 and was wondering if I should invest in buying ammo now or reloading? I can still buy ammo (9mm) from locations next year but I'm not sure how cost effective it'll be?

http://www.laxrange.com/california-gun-laws/
Do you normally buy online? If yes, you have about 25 days before most online outlets wont ship ammo to you anymore. If you buy at Wal-Mart you may be okay depending on your particular store, they may or may not be selling ammo next year. You will still be able to buy at your local gun store at their inflated prices.

Right now ammo prices are as low as I have seen in 5 years. Depending on what you shoot you may want to look into reloading anyway, regardless of the stupid CA ammo laws.
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If you don't already have a couple thousand rounds of 9mm on hand, buy it cheap now while the prices are at a low. Start collecting primers, bullets and power.
Next year will be a mess.
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I just read up on the new gun/ammo regulations that are going to start in 2018 and was wondering if I should invest in buying ammo now or reloading? I can still buy ammo (9mm) from locations next year but I'm not sure how cost effective it'll be?

http://www.laxrange.com/california-gun-laws/
look at prices retail vs. places like SGAmma, then come back here and tell us if you think you need to stock up.
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Right now ammo prices are as low as I have seen in 5 years. Depending on what you shoot you may want to look into reloading anyway, regardless of the stupid CA ammo laws.
Current ammo prices are lower than I’ve ever seen and I’ve been into guns since I turned 21 and bought my first handgun in 2007...

OP, buy as much as you can now, because it’s going to suck next year paying retail store prices.
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Old 11-20-2017, 10:50 PM
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Buy as much as ammo as you can afford now.

Consider becoming an 03 FFL and get your COE so you can continue to get home deliveries through 2018.

CA legislature is made up of progressive commie ****tards. The laws they've been passing the past ~20 years have been blatant infringements.
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My thoughts on new CA gun laws: I'm glad I'm leaving this craphole state on Jan 1.
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The sky is falling.
Not really,but, the state is making it more difficult to get ammo for most people. Most people aren't going to get the COE/FFL thingie, so they'll just have to do what they can. Early preparation is always a big help.
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Shooting sports in CA will be drastically reduced next year, IMO.

Hell, I went to the range a few weeks ago and what would typically be a busy day there wasn’t many people.
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My thoughts on the unconstitutional, punitive laws regarding firearms and the 2nd Amendment installed by the tyrants in Sacramento....

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My thoughts on the unconstitutional, punitive laws regarding firearms and the 2nd Amendment installed by the tyrants in Sacramento....

"A man oughta do what he thinks is best..." Hondo Lane.
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There are plenty of roads into and out of California, far from prying eyes and 'Imperial entanglements.'

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Excremento is emboldend to pass any uncontitutional laws they want. And they will.

With no controlling legal authority and cowardly judges there is no one to stop them. Jeff Sessions and the Robert's court will do nothing for us here. California is a federal write-off if you haven't already noticed. It's going to get very interesting when The Gav signs all those new bans here. We will all be felons in a couple more years.

Fortunately jail time is rather remote here with overcrowding and the mass felon releases, rather a fine is guaranteed along with a firearms ban. Add even more misdemeanors to the firearms ban and eventually they can disqualify much of the gun owning population here.

Once that happens good luck moving and trying to buy a gun in another state, California will have already have banned you for life in the rest of the country as well. One state's misdemeanor is another state's felony.

There is a master plan and it is very apparent to those that pay attention. Governments do not like an armed citizenry. If the Bill Of Rights were written today there would be no 2nd amendment, you can count on that. The republicans would be just as against it as the democraps.

Governments are all about power and control. Guns don't play a role in that scenerio.
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Stock up while you have a few days left. Remember ammo must be at your house by 12-31-2017. It is the shipping season so things are busy.
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Current ammo prices are lower than I’ve ever seen and I’ve been into guns since I turned 21 and bought my first handgun in 2007...

OP, buy as much as you can now, because it’s going to suck next year paying retail store prices.
Back in 2005, a 100 round box of Winchester 9mm was only $10 or $11 at Walmart.
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Inflated ammo prices will only be as people get use to the new rules. Once retailers see their investment in ammo sitting there and priced well above out of state vendors (who have a hard time selling to us) the discounting will begin - I think just in time for Valentines Day
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Back in 2005, a 100 round box of Winchester 9mm was only $10 or $11 at Walmart.
nope, it cost more than that, it was closer to $16.87 for the 100 rd box back then

WALMART never had 100 rd value packs for $10 a box
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Thanks for all your feedback! I've only bought online once, but I did notice that prices have been lower as of late, so stocking up might be the route I'll take.
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It is likely to be a confusing mess, with retailers and buyers alike confused as to what they can and cannot do. The only thing I do know for certain: It will cost more, and it will be more paperwork to buy ammo. Because of this, the likelihood of reduced selection is high.
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I walked into the Outdoor Sportsman in Stockton, I've done business with them countless times and they are helpful and courteous and I think they have great ammo and gun prices, our discussion was on the ammo laws, they told me that if I see something online whether a particular type of ammo or a nice sale on ammo, let them know and they will order it for me and will keep their end of it down. All I can do is take their word for it, we really don't have much choice.
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Excremento is emboldend to pass any uncontitutional laws they want. And they will.
thank all of our democratic neighbors for giving the state just what they wanted passing Prop 63. We a more than doomed than we realize today.


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With no controlling legal authority and cowardly judges there is no one to stop them. Jeff Sessions and the Robert's court will do nothing for us here. California is a federal write-off if you haven't already noticed. It's going to get very interesting when The Gav signs all those new bans here. We will all be felons in a couple more years.
The FEDS aren't going to do squat for us. SCOTUS is afraid to hear a 2A case. Heller and McDonald are not being used for the path they set us upon. Courts are afraid to do what it's supposed to do.

California's mantra today is "resist" crap. They do not care about the rule of law they only care for the laws they want.

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Fortunately jail time is rather remote here with overcrowding and the mass felon releases, rather a fine is guaranteed along with a firearms ban. Add even more misdemeanors to the firearms ban and eventually they can disqualify much of the gun owning population here.
IMO the jails are being emptied to increase crime and assaults so that the public will scream for more government control. Add that the FEDS told this state the jails are too crowded. Props 47 and 57 are designed to do just that. We can thank the sheep of this state for passing this disaster upon those of us who respect the rule of law.

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Once that happens good luck moving and trying to buy a gun in another state, California will have already have banned you for life in the rest of the country as well. One state's misdemeanor is another state's felony.
With the bar to a ban on gun ownership here appearing to get lower and lower you're probably right. Moving out of this state to gain firearms freedom may be a moot point. We're not at that point yet. It's coming though.

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There is a master plan and it is very apparent to those that pay attention. Governments do not like an armed citizenry. If the Bill Of Rights were written today there would be no 2nd amendment, you can count on that. The republicans would be just as against it as the democraps.

Governments are all about power and control. Guns don't play a role in that scenario.
agreed. This state is on track for that. California is going to be the first state to go as far as they can in regards to 2A and how much restriction they will get away with. Barring any injunction or court case somewhere we are doomed by 2020 when Newsom will sign every single crazy a&& legislation to cross his desk. Nothing we do will stop him. We could literally fill his office with real letters in opposition and he will still sign it.

We are truly doomed here in regards to 2A and I will reemphasize that Prop 63 gave Krapamento the green light to do what ever they want.
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California's mantra today is "resist" crap.
This is why this is frustrating. Those that distrust the government and a violent, oppressive police force should be our allies.

But no. Everyone insists on making this partisan at every turn. That is why CA is lost.
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I also recommend caliber consolidating. It'll be too expensive and difficult to stock up on thousands of rounds of various calibers.
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Consider becoming an 03 FFL and get your COE so you can continue to get home deliveries through 2018.
Does the 03FFL + COE exemption from the law end after 2018? Or are you assuming that we'll get screwed with more legislation that will remove that exemption?
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I just read up on the new gun/ammo regulations that are going to start in 2018 and was wondering if I should invest in buying ammo now or reloading? I can still buy ammo (9mm) from locations next year but I'm not sure how cost effective it'll be?

http://www.laxrange.com/california-gun-laws/
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Does the 03FFL + COE exemption from the law end after 2018? Or are you assuming that we'll get screwed with more legislation that will remove that exemption?
I believe that starting 1/1/19 one must have a CA assigned ammo vendor license to be able to receive deliveries to your door.

This sure is a ****load of permisson hoops to jump through to exercise an enumerated Constitutional right.
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nope, it cost more than that, it was closer to $16.87 for the 100 rd box back then

WALMART never had 100 rd value packs for $10 a box
A local range has Federal GMM .308 for $50 a box; I got a box of the same ammo for $17 a box at Turners the day before.
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Lawsuits, lawsuits and more lawsuits, We have won a few
After how many years and how much cost? By then several more laws are passed and the back-up to the courts assures those unconstitutional laws will have a long life here even if overturned some day.

They strip gun rights here on the installment plan, one law is overturned and three more take it's place guaranteeing that your freedom will be lost for several more years. Once gun rights are restored, if at all, new laws take that away and we get to suffer even more years of oppression awaiting court relief that may never come.

Excremento knows and plays this game like a chess champion. They have a stack of gun laws waiting to be taken up and a 9th circus to back them up. We have a few lawyers and no controlling legal federal authority.
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Stock up what you can't or won't reload now. For me, that's rimfire ammo. When you have a lifetime supply, or before 12/31/18, stop buying ammo and start stocking up on reloading components that may be restricted/banned in the future once the news media starts in with stories about "Home-based ammo manufacturers bypassing ammo control laws".
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