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California 2nd Amend. Political Discussion & Activism Discuss gun rights activism and 2A related political topics here. All advice given is NOT legal counsel. |
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He effectively banned any type of weapons carry outside of the home. Considering he is aware of the court cases pending and completed, it's entirely possible he forsees these carry laws being moot at some point. More ammunition to approve concealed carry.
I'm quite happy he vetoed the reporting bill for stolen firearms. Read the veto message, it's quite logical. |
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I will now apply for my LTC and if it is NOT approved I will sue...
The California Legislature and Governor have now violated the 2A...we have NO LEGAL way to bear arms without the conscent of the government. I will use this as my Good Cause Statement. Even the California Constitution Article 1. Section 1. states our Inalieable Rights as Citizens and the legislature has removed and made illegal oour unlawful EVERY TOOL of self defense. Quote:
Thank you Governor Brown...I am now going to vote against every incumbant in the Democratic party. |
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It's all well and good to argue that this was strategic, but I don't think so.
I just don't see how this helps us with getting "carry". The "carry" cases which are likely to get to SCOTUS are already well up there in the pipeline and if you file suit in this case you'll be way behind the curve on getting "carry" approvingly ruled by SCOTUS. I understand that the argument then becomes a state one. Well, I don't see how this helps us at the state level, either. There is a good chance that the SCOTUS ruling will say something like "the states must allow you to bear a firearm immediately ready for confrontation in all non-sensitive areas". They may not specify that you must be able to carry your choice of a long gun or a handgun. So the state could still allow CCW while banning long gun carry. The best explanation for this enactment is that JB is not a solid pro-RKBA kind of guy who is willing to take political risk for the freedom of his subjects. This is not a huge surprise. But it is disappointing after a largely decent record on the part of JB last year.
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If you do, you'll lose. It's that 'may issue' language in the PC that dooms the suit.
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can some one put this in English ??? the way these laws are worded it seems like they want you go to jail.
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What is the PLAN to reword "May" with "Shall"? What's the PLAN? Is there one? Please share with us before we all become criminals. |
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Well to be fair there are quite a few place in Cal that are pretty much shall issue.
If your safety is that much of a concern you can vacate those areas as residences. Besides the changes in legal code there is the very good chance that those bastions of no-carry will be not very pleasant places to be in the near future anyways... by that I mean more than they are right now.
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He is also probably our best over all governor since Wilson. Really, really think about that before anyone breaks out the recall rhetoric I say that as someone who can count on one hand the number of times I have voted democrat and still have lots of fingers left. |
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Herpes is better than HIV. The better analogy here would be neurosyphilis and HIV. That better describes the situation we have here in CA with respect to our choice in politicians.
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If you are a lawyer, involved in one of the miriad of lawsuits that are pending a decision in some other pending lawsuit, then you are "winning". If you're a California gun owner then you're being royally screwed.
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I understand locked in a trunk is ok. My flintlocks are too long to go in the trunk and nobody makes lockable cases that long either. I gather I can take it between home and hunting grounds in the back seat but where else?
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http://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php Thank your neighbor and fellow gun owners for passing Prop 63. For that gun control is a winning legislative agenda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6Dj8tdSC1A contact the governor https://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php In Memory of Spc Torres May 5th 2006 al-Hillah, Iraq. I will miss you my friend. NRA Life Member. Last edited by chris; 09-28-2012 at 6:38 PM.. |
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we should while hunting. that would be stupid. but common sense isn't this states strong points.
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http://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php Thank your neighbor and fellow gun owners for passing Prop 63. For that gun control is a winning legislative agenda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6Dj8tdSC1A contact the governor https://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php In Memory of Spc Torres May 5th 2006 al-Hillah, Iraq. I will miss you my friend. NRA Life Member. |
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he can't be trusted. let alone any politician in this state. i'm not being negative this is reality we are looking at.
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http://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php Thank your neighbor and fellow gun owners for passing Prop 63. For that gun control is a winning legislative agenda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6Dj8tdSC1A contact the governor https://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php In Memory of Spc Torres May 5th 2006 al-Hillah, Iraq. I will miss you my friend. NRA Life Member. |
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Note the vetoes though. They are strategic. Archery, LEO selling off roster, and the other two. |
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PC 26400. (a) A person is guilty of carrying an unloaded firearm that is not a handgun in an incorporated city or city and county when that person carries upon his or her person an unloaded firearm that is not a handgun outside a vehicle while in the incorporated city or city and county. |
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So, this means that once I load up my gear to go shoot, I cannot take it out of my car until i get to an unincorporated area ?
How do I get to an indoor range then ? Is to and from target shooting exempted or do I have to transport it in a locked container and not just a case ? This blows.
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This means you have to transport it in the container or case until you are within the confines of an exempted place. A target range is such a place. |
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So they must be unloaded in a case, but UNLIKE handguns they do not have to be locked?
Can I get some money from the state to help fund these cases? This is going to cause financial hardship... |
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I wouldn't even wait to talk to a lawyer. |
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When the firearm is either in a locked container or encased and it is being transported directly between places where a person is not prohibited from possessing that firearm and the course of travel shall include only those deviations between authorized locations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances."
What is the definition of "encased" ?? What are the allowed materials for this encasement ? Can it be fabric ? Can it be "see-thru" ? |
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PC 16505. For purposes of Chapter 7 (commencing with Section 26400) of Division 5 of Title 4, a firearm is "encased" when that firearm is enclosed in a case that is expressly made for the purpose of containing a firearm and that is completely zipped, snapped, buckled, tied, or otherwise fastened with no part of that firearm exposed. |
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This reminds me of what another poster said of CA laws:
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Open Letter to Anthony Portantino
Dear Congressman Portantino,
I've learned from previous attempts at constructive discourse that you are either uninterested or incapable of articulating an educated or reasonable response to concerns from California citizens, so I will spare us both the effort and tell you plainly that your scare tactics with AB 1527 and pandering to the film industry shows that you are a large part of the schizophrenic politics that have destroyed California. Rather than solve real problems you instead create mythical boogeymen posing phantom threats to your make believe victims. Take pride in the fact that your congressional district has some of the worst schools in the United States and pat yourself on the back for ignoring that problem and pursuing fantasy problems in their stead. The children thank you for your priorities! CF |
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I have no idea why anyone seems to have thought a CA elected governor would be an out and out gun toting libertarian, but it seems to me we are far better off than we could be. |
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