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Old 09-28-2012, 3:40 PM
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He effectively banned any type of weapons carry outside of the home. Considering he is aware of the court cases pending and completed, it's entirely possible he forsees these carry laws being moot at some point. More ammunition to approve concealed carry.

I'm quite happy he vetoed the reporting bill for stolen firearms. Read the veto message, it's quite logical.
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Two weeks until ccw in Los Angeles County????
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So when I transport to the range starting in January, I will have to lock every rifle?
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I will now apply for my LTC and if it is NOT approved I will sue...

The California Legislature and Governor have now violated the 2A...we have NO LEGAL way to bear arms without the conscent of the government.

I will use this as my Good Cause Statement.

Even the California Constitution Article 1. Section 1. states our Inalieable Rights as Citizens and the legislature has removed and made illegal oour unlawful EVERY TOOL of self defense.

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ARTICLE 1 DECLARATION OF RIGHTS


SECTION 1. All people are by nature free and independent and have
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and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy.
Let's face it...CA Legislators are nothing more than modern day gangsters who skim off the top, are above the laws they pass for others and by their regular suspension of Assembly and Senate Rules have Absolutely NO RESPECT or Regard for Rules that govern them or the Rule of Law.

Thank you Governor Brown...I am now going to vote against every incumbant in the Democratic party.
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It's all well and good to argue that this was strategic, but I don't think so.

I just don't see how this helps us with getting "carry". The "carry" cases which are likely to get to SCOTUS are already well up there in the pipeline and if you file suit in this case you'll be way behind the curve on getting "carry" approvingly ruled by SCOTUS.

I understand that the argument then becomes a state one. Well, I don't see how this helps us at the state level, either.

There is a good chance that the SCOTUS ruling will say something like "the states must allow you to bear a firearm immediately ready for confrontation in all non-sensitive areas". They may not specify that you must be able to carry your choice of a long gun or a handgun. So the state could still allow CCW while banning long gun carry.

The best explanation for this enactment is that JB is not a solid pro-RKBA kind of guy who is willing to take political risk for the freedom of his subjects.

This is not a huge surprise. But it is disappointing after a largely decent record on the part of JB last year.
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Its official!

Time to start a new coalition of gun owners.

We will call it.... The California Panthers. Lets Roll!!!!!
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Another nail in the coffin of oppression.

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I will now apply for my LTC and if it is NOT approved I will sue...
If you do, you'll lose. It's that 'may issue' language in the PC that dooms the suit.
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can some one put this in English ??? the way these laws are worded it seems like they want you go to jail.
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If you do, you'll lose. It's that 'may issue' language in the PC that dooms the suit.
So...What you are saying is we have NO recourse?

What is the PLAN to reword "May" with "Shall"?

What's the PLAN? Is there one?

Please share with us before we all become criminals.
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Friend may be too strong, but he was the most pro-gun out of the two options.
No... I do not believe that for one minute.
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So...What you are saying is we have NO recourse?

What is the PLAN to reword "May" with "Shall"?

What's the PLAN? Is there one?

Please share with us before we all become criminals.
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Well to be fair there are quite a few place in Cal that are pretty much shall issue.

If your safety is that much of a concern you can vacate those areas as residences. Besides the changes in legal code there is the very good chance that those bastions of no-carry will be not very pleasant places to be in the near future anyways... by that I mean more than they are right now.
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Friend may be too strong, but he was the most pro-gun out of the two options.
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No... I do not believe that for one minute.
Gov. Brown may not be a 2nd amendment supporters dream come true. But he is our best option since Wilson.

He is also probably our best over all governor since Wilson.

Really, really think about that before anyone breaks out the recall rhetoric

I say that as someone who can count on one hand the number of times I have voted democrat and still have lots of fingers left.
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Maybe in the same way that herpes is better than HIV.
Herpes is better than HIV. The better analogy here would be neurosyphilis and HIV. That better describes the situation we have here in CA with respect to our choice in politicians.
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1559 confuses me.

As for 1527, so... winning are we?
If you are a lawyer, involved in one of the miriad of lawsuits that are pending a decision in some other pending lawsuit, then you are "winning". If you're a California gun owner then you're being royally screwed.
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I understand locked in a trunk is ok. My flintlocks are too long to go in the trunk and nobody makes lockable cases that long either. I gather I can take it between home and hunting grounds in the back seat but where else?
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I no longer believe JB is a good governor or friend of firearms.
duh! we've been telling people this. no one will listen.

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Gov. Brown may not be a 2nd amendment supporters dream come true. But he is our best option since Wilson.

He is also probably our best over all governor since Wilson.

Really, really think about that before anyone breaks out the recall rhetoric

I say that as someone who can count on one hand the number of times I have voted democrat and still have lots of fingers left.
oh really. he wants to raise taxes again. despises prop 13, hasn't been 2a friendly at all. signed high speed rail even though people don't want it anymore. the state is completely borke. he is beholden to unions. where is the positive with him.
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oh really. he wants to raise taxes again. despises prop 13, hasn't been 2a friendly at all. signed high speed rail even though people don't want it anymore. the state is completely borke. he is beholden to unions. where is the positive with him.
Wait second, i posted this before! i saw all the vetos!! I tend not to delete my posts out of fairness.
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Hunters are exempted again.

(j) By a licensed hunter while engaged in hunting or while transporting that firearm when going to or returning from that hunting expedition.
we should while hunting. that would be stupid. but common sense isn't this states strong points.
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Wait second, i posted this before! i saw all the vetos!! I tend not to delete my posts out of fairness.
he can't be trusted. let alone any politician in this state. i'm not being negative this is reality we are looking at.
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There is no way to legally carry a firearm in CA without the blessing/permission of the gooberment. Where do I sue?
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he can't be trusted. let alone any politician in this state. i'm not being negative this is reality we are looking at.

Note the vetoes though. They are strategic. Archery, LEO selling off roster, and the other two.
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"(c) When the firearm is either in a locked container or encased and it is being transported directly between places where a person is not prohibited from possessing that firearm and the course of travel shall include only those deviations between authorized locations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances."

Does this only apply if the firearm is not being transported in a motor vehicle?
Yes, you are quoting an exemption. The crime itself only applies when the firearm is being carried outside a vehicle.

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Last nail in the coffin for CA's hope for shall issue huh?
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This may change things, but Save Our State will adapt an overcome. There are plans in the works for Urban Rifle Hike IV this year, and there WILL be open carry of long guns by us next year.
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So, this means that once I load up my gear to go shoot, I cannot take it out of my car until i get to an unincorporated area ?

How do I get to an indoor range then ? Is to and from target shooting exempted or do I have to transport it in a locked container and not just a case ? This blows.
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So, this means that once I load up my gear to go shoot, I cannot take it out of my car until i get to an unincorporated area ?

How do I get to an indoor range then ? Is to and from target shooting exempted or do I have to transport it in a locked container and not just a case ? This blows.
I think it means that you cannot unlock your ( locked) case until you are through the entry door.
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So, this means that once I load up my gear to go shoot, I cannot take it out of my car until i get to an unincorporated area ?
You have to transport it it in a locked container or in a case designed to carry a firearm which fully encloses the firearm and fastens in some way.

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You have to transport it in a container or case (see above) any time you are out in public in an incorporated place.

This means you have to transport it in the container or case until you are within the confines of an exempted place. A target range is such a place.
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So...What you are saying is we have NO recourse?

What is the PLAN to reword "May" with "Shall"?

What's the PLAN? Is there one?

Please share with us before we all become criminals.
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So they must be unloaded in a case, but UNLIKE handguns they do not have to be locked?

Can I get some money from the state to help fund these cases? This is going to cause financial hardship...
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I'll be dead before any of these are decided in the favor of firearms owners.
Yep, your right. If I were you I would file a lawsuit Monday morning.

I wouldn't even wait to talk to a lawyer.
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When the firearm is either in a locked container or encased and it is being transported directly between places where a person is not prohibited from possessing that firearm and the course of travel shall include only those deviations between authorized locations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances."

What is the definition of "encased" ??
What are the allowed materials for this encasement ?
Can it be fabric ? Can it be "see-thru" ?
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When the firearm is either in a locked container or encased and it is being transported directly between places where a person is not prohibited from possessing that firearm and the course of travel shall include only those deviations between authorized locations as are reasonably necessary under the circumstances."

What is the definition of "encased" ??
What are the allowed materials for this encasement ?
Can it be fabric ? Can it be "see-thru" ?
This is the language from the bill:

PC 16505. For purposes of Chapter 7 (commencing with Section 26400)
of Division 5 of Title 4, a firearm is "encased" when that firearm is
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I still remember how Bill Weiss told everyone here how great Brown will be.
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This reminds me of what another poster said of CA laws:

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1. Criminals
2. Victims

Pretty sad really.
The entire CA Legislative Body is an ultra knee-jerk reactionary group of self-styled modern day Pharaohs who insist on ruling over us "peasants" and every aspect of our lives with their word and opinions becoming Law of the Land, Nevermind the Constitution and it's protections and checks and balances, Nevermind that we as citizens have rights from the ultimate legal authority (Constitution), Nevermind that they are "Representative" of us and our votes and ideals (at this point, I don't whether to laugh or scream).
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I've learned from previous attempts at constructive discourse that you are either uninterested or incapable of articulating an educated or reasonable response to concerns from California citizens, so I will spare us both the effort and tell you plainly that your scare tactics with AB 1527 and pandering to the film industry shows that you are a large part of the schizophrenic politics that have destroyed California. Rather than solve real problems you instead create mythical boogeymen posing phantom threats to your make believe victims. Take pride in the fact that your congressional district has some of the worst schools in the United States and pat yourself on the back for ignoring that problem and pursuing fantasy problems in their stead. The children thank you for your priorities!

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I still remember how Bill Weiss told everyone here how great Brown will be.
I remember being told that he'd probably be better than the alternative.

I have no idea why anyone seems to have thought a CA elected governor would be an out and out gun toting libertarian, but it seems to me we are far better off than we could be.
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