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Apparently they can easily identify a rifle that's got a completely new upper and furniture and painted a different color, but as soon as you change the magazine release it's impossible tell it's the same rifle still. Yes they are that stupid.
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Settle down, folks. The new "ghost gun" regulations probably don't do what you think they do. Last edited by CandG; 05-23-2017 at 1:57 PM.. |
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True, but with a Magpul stock, it will be higher. I actually thought about using a steel plate on a magpul butt pad to offset the recoil pad up. Therefore it would be closer to an Thordson.
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Now, if someone got killed while fiddling with the bullet button DOJ told them they had to keep using, THEN we'd have a good lawsuit argument. Also, I don't think the DOJ, legislature, nor courts really care if anyone dies at a shooting range.
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Settle down, folks. The new "ghost gun" regulations probably don't do what you think they do. Last edited by CandG; 05-23-2017 at 2:09 PM.. |
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Good point.
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Caliber has no bearing on a weapon’s status as a series weapon and should be disregarded when making an identification. For example, upper receiver conversion kits are available to convert almost any AR series weapon into .45 ACP, .40 S&W, 7.62 X 39 mm, 9 mm, 10 mm, or .223 caliber. |
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Was even written down and described as such in the regs, right? A.W.D.
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So the BB is actually a way for LEO to tell, and without it they need the terminal to check. They could even argue that this will save money, time, and potentially confiscation situations or the dreaded "take down to the station for further analysis". How do we recover from this mess of half truths and reverse logic?
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There are only 150k of them, and they are pretty damn rare. They are expecting 1.5 million new BBAW, much more common.
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My point is that an OLL from the late 90s could either be a <2000 RAW, or it could have been assembled 2001-2016 with a BB. The point is that having NO BB doesn't identify it as being a <2000 RAW or an unregistered AW, or a <2017 RAW. And neither does having a BB. It is just BS. |
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Now with the new fixed mags where you have to pivot the upper, those haven't been around long enough to tell one way or another. I don't like the idea of trying to clear a jam by pivoting the upper with a live round in the chamber. Maybe nothing will ever happen, but if I had to put down money, I would expect something bad to happen eventually. |
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ETA - This condition as a means of moving forward with an AR type rifle is mandated and specified by the state, and will lead to issues. I still say its a factor that can used against them, as it creates a hazardous situation in using the rifle improperly in an unsafe manner. A.W.D.
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You have to take the whole upper off I guess. Eventually something bad will happen. |
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Or take off the buffer tube.
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I seriously doubt that there were that many of those floating around to be an honest sample size. Even the old welded mag top loaders weren't anymore than an oddity. |
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And removing the upper to clear a jam may not be possible if the BCG is in the buffer tube. Not enough clearance. Try it. Put a stubby pencil between the bolt and the chamber to simulate a case jam. Now try to remove the upper Most folks that had a FAB ten switched to a standard OLL and gone BB or featureless. |
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Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850) |
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Show me where in the law a BBAW "bullet button assault weapon" is defined. The DOJ does not have legislative power to arbitrarily create a new class of assault weapon.
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Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850) |
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Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850) |
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JFC - yes, you need to get a life.
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yet here we are and they are doing what the gun banners want while sitting right next to them as the regs were typed up.
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I'm still trying to find out what the penalty is for removing the bullet button. The law says nothing and the regulations say nothing. It's basically saying "you better not do this OR ELSE!" But then, the or else never comes...There are some that speculate that you are now in possession of an unregistered AW, however if that was the case, shouldn't that be spelled out in the law? There is NOT ONE THING in the law that says you can't modify a registered AW. And the law doesn't create a BBAW. There is just AW definitions only.
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As for the difference in photos and allowing registration, I don't think that has any legal issue to prevent it. |
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Ive been reading about those for a bit and still can't figure out how they're supposed to work. I get that it uses stripper clips and is fixed to the lower but how exactly does this help with the issue of jams and unable to separate the receiver?
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Get the hell off the beach. Get up and get moving. Follow Me! --Aubrey Newman, Col, 24th INF; at the Battle of Leyte Certainty of death... small chance of success... what are we waiting for? --Gimli, son of Gloin; on attacking the vast army of Mordor Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! --Patrick Henry; Virginia, 1775 |
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No, the law says nothing of the kind. The regulations say it, and it's not backed by any penalty that is outlined in the law since the law doesn't say anything about removing the bullet button.
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Last edited by meno377; 05-23-2017 at 6:14 PM.. |
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That references the ability to register, nothing mentioned after registration. They say it's now a different weapon, but don't mention what type of different weapon it is. Maybe because it's still a registered AW, no matter how much double speak they try. |
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