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Old 08-28-2017, 9:06 PM
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First off not sure if this is the proper section or not, but I've been reading a lot of this older military surplus rifles coming into the states in mass amounts. Some of the information in pretty out dated, so not sure how readily available these items are anymore.
Ones I've seen are like the SKS, M91/30, M1 carbine, and mausers. I'd like some thing that ammo won't be an issue with also.

Well a lot of the information is confusing and very spread out. What I'm looking for is a pretty basic surplus rifle I can shot on the cheap. Don't plan to do any hunting or any super far distance shooting with it.

Would prefer something in the larger caliber area, something that's fun to shot. Don't know if it matters but I am not law enforcement.


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There haven't been "Mass Amounts" in years. They are trickling in at this point.

May want to check the "Collector's Exchange" and see if something blows your skirt up, so to speak.
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The commie calibers are still the least expensive to operate, and the rifles that use those boolits, are a hoot to shoot, and can be found occasionally affordable. PAX

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SKS is all i'll say. Fun, accurate little rifles that are still reasonably cheap to shoot, effective to at least a few hundred yards, and fairly available at reasonable prices. Not as cheap as they used to be but mostly not ridiculous compared to what other stuff has done. In today's market i'd be shopping an arsenal 26 Chinese or a Romanian or Yugo m59. Russians have gotten too expensive but I guess it all depends on your budget.

Mosins are also a decent bang for the buck, but surely not like they used to be.
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M1 carbines are great to shoot, but the ammo is not as cheap as the commie guns. SKS is a lot of fun to shoot. I would choose a US M1 carbine over an SKS, but that is just me.
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Can't go wrong with a Mosin 91/30 or even the carbine version M44 (or Chinese variant- albeit those can be beat up)

Both use the same ammo which is still fairly cheap and easy to find
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yeah i think SKS is the best way to go.

call me crazy but a 2A1 Ishapore or a .308 Spanish Mauser would prob be next in line. .303 Enfields are still cheap but if you dont have a local supplier of ammo or reload it could get hairy.
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Another vote for the SKS here. Go for a Chinese one and stock up on ammo.

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SKS for sure, stash away all the ammo you can. At least 1,000 rounds. Also Mosin Nagant. At least one 91 30 and one Carbine. Try to find spam cans of 440 rounds for them. Can't beat a bullet equal to 30 06 for under .25c a round. That covers the C&R shooters for me.
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call me crazy but a 2A1 Ishapore or a .308 Spanish Mauser would prob be next in line. .303 Enfields are still cheap but if you dont have a local supplier of ammo or reload it could get hairy.
The Ishapore is good, but I wouldn't bother with a .308 Spanish Mauser unless you handload.

Unless of course you can't do math, then knock yourself out.....
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yeah i think SKS is the best way to go.

call me crazy but a 2A1 Ishapore or a .308 Spanish Mauser would prob be next in line. .303 Enfields are still cheap but if you dont have a local supplier of ammo or reload it could get hairy.
SKS, next in line M1 Garand in 308 then the 2A1.

M1 Carbine is as cheap to shoot as 308 and even cheaper if you reload.
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First off not sure if this is the proper section or not, but I've been reading a lot of this older military surplus rifles coming into the states in mass amounts. Some of the information in pretty out dated, so not sure how readily available these items are anymore.
Ones I've seen are like the SKS, M91/30, M1 carbine, and mausers. I'd like some thing that ammo won't be an issue with also.

Well a lot of the information is confusing and very spread out. What I'm looking for is a pretty basic surplus rifle I can shot on the cheap. Don't plan to do any hunting or any super far distance shooting with it.

Would prefer something in the larger caliber area, something that's fun to shot. Don't know if it matters but I am not law enforcement.


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Made in USA South Korean Garands and Carbines. They need to come home!
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I do not reload, and don't plan to reload any time soon. Live in a small apartment, don't have space or time for that matter.


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91/30 or maybe a less expensive Mauser variant like a VZ-24 or Turk.

SKS rifles aren't all that thrilling, and are not "larger caliber" rifles, which the OP is interested in.
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Wow there is so many different kinds of SKS rifles and so wide range in prices.
Wow, I really was hoping to find a couple hundred dollar rifle that would shot 20 cent or less a round.
After doing to deeper research with names and further details, don't think that's going to happen.


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Wow, I really was hoping to find a couple hundred dollar rifle that would shot 20 cent or less a round.
Yeah, I think those days are gone. The cheap surplus ammo is all used up.

You can still get a Mosin Nagant 91/30 under $200, but the ammo is going to run 50 cents/round and up. You might be able to find some spam cans at 35c/round.

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Wow there is so many different kinds of SKS rifles and so wide range in prices.
Wow, I really was hoping to find a couple hundred dollar rifle that would shot 20 cent or less a round.
After doing to deeper research with names and further details, don't think that's going to happen.


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You're too late for couple hundred dollar SKS unless you fall into one somewhere, but ammo is about 20 cents a round.

SKS http://www.jgsales.com/chinese-sks-t....-p-99014.html

Ammo http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/rifle-...le/762x39-ammo
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Yeah, the more I look into it I'm realizing that I'm a couple years late.

I got into the AR market in the heat of it and it's not super expensive, well it can be like anything else. But still was looking for something different and still cheap.
I do really like those SKS's, never shot one though.


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What ammo are people using that is non-magnetic and non-corrosive?
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What ammo are people using that is non-magnetic and non-corrosive?
Hmm... That's a good question. I just looked at my 7.62x39 ammo and it's either corrosive (Yugo surplus M67) or magnetic (Golden Tiger).
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A mosin nagant or SKS are probably the most eastily available and inexpensive current surplus rifles with easy to obtain ammunition. A lot of dealers currently have them. Next would maybe be an M1 Garand, which honestly if you are an AmeriCAN is practically a requirement in gun ownership. Currently available from the CMP for $730 shipped and runs on ubiquitous 30-06. Honestly most surplus rifles are easy to come by right now but you have to find them on the secondary market or in a gunshop that stocks them. Very few big box stores will have anything in this nature. Big5 still stocks Yugoslavian mausers for around $300. They run on the 8mm Mauser caliber which is not really readily available or inexpensive unless purchased online or you are patient and find it on the secondary market. But other posters are correct, there hasn't been any imports in "mass amounts" like you describe within the last 10 years. That boat sailed a while back, the days of a $50 Mosin are over.

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Shot didn't even think of that, I would be going to Burro Canyon the most.


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Roll your own and don't worry about magnetic, corrosiveness or cost. Living in a small apt is no excuse to not reload. It doesn't need to take up a whole room.
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Does anyone concerned about shooting bullets with bi-metal jackets in their surplus SKS?
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Another vote for the SKS;most SKS's aren't picky when it comes to Ammo.
Def stock up on Ammo, cause they are soooo fun to shoot you'll burn a bunch of Ammo in no time!
(As others have said) Mosin's are another good value-if have the extra $$$, get a M39. It shoots far better than most 91-30's or M44-types.
(Again-as others have said); I know you said no to reloading but in the future, you should think about it. Ammo prices are only going to keep getting higher and higher in price.
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get a M39. It shoots far better than most 91-30's or M44-types.
(Again-as others have said); I know you said no to reloading but in the future, you should think about it. Ammo prices are only going to keep getting higher and higher in price.
Aren't M39 the same as M44 except for attached bayo? I believe ammo prices have been dropping all year.
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No. http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinM39.htm

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Some has, new production ammo, as supply has finally caught up with demand.

That does not apply to cheap surplus ammo, simply because there is no supply, and there probably never will be again. You can get new production 7.62X54R for about 45¢/round, last time I saw surplus available it was more than that.
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My bad I misread it as M38. Was thinking Russian not Finn. Thought we were talking cheap and Finns aren't cheap.
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a Russian M44 is a very popular surplus rifle, the ammo sold in stores is mostly all brand new recent production (non corrosive)

the Russian M91 / 30 is also a good choice (standard infantry rifle during WW2)

a Russian SKS and a Russian M44 would make a nice pair of surplus rifles for your collection, very common Vietnam War era rifles, many were used by communist forces in VN.

Chinese sks rifles are also very nice, and usually less expensive than the Russian model

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Really with the price of surplus its probably cheaper to get a Ruger American Predetor in a cheap caliber like 223 or 308 than a $400 Mosin.
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Really with the price of surplus its probably cheaper to get a Ruger American Predetor in a cheap caliber like 223 or 308 than a $400 Mosin.
M38 & 200 rounds for $400 and a Para SKS for $350, couple months ago, so they're still out there, but for how long? PAX
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My bad I misread it as M38. Was thinking Russian not Finn. Thought we were talking cheap and Finns aren't cheap.
The Finnish Mosins are basically reworked Russian rifles, (which can include Remington & Westinghouse & a French maker Mosin Nagants made on contract for Russia)
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Mosins are definitely entertaining and still on the cheap side. Ammo isn't as attractive as it used to be though. That could invert if we get friendlier with Russia though. There's one thing about the Mosin that is both a blessing and a curse: I get tired of the kick and the boom after about 40 rounds. That makes it economical. But it's just not a shoot-all-afternoon gun for me.

I think you're better off finding a decent Chinese SKS for whatever they're going for these days. The cheap and widely available ammo makes up for the SKS pricing I think. The combination of no pistol grip and semi-auto makes it a convenient rifle in CA too.

Is there really anything else where the gun and ammo are budget friendly? People keep raving about the Swiss bolt guns but ammo is pricy for those right?
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If you want a cheap shooter then find the cheap ammo first and work backwards. No point in buying a rifle as a shooter if the ammo is unavailable, inflated beyond what you'd like to pay, or you can't shoot locally (socal mostly).

Ha, that's how I ended up with a ruger 10/22 carbine. Super cheap ammo and rifle, easy to shoot, simple to clean and maintain.

Also have a couple AR's which are in the same boat, just next step up. Little pricier, little more work, and lot more modification can be done.

Now I was looking for the next step up, everyone talks 308. But I'm not ready to spend $6k on a rifle that can shot over a mile, when the farthest I've ever shot anything is 140 yards. Haha
Now there's a bunch of people that are talking 6.5 creedmor or 300 blackout, but wow at $1/rd+ I'm not ready for that either.

One of my buddy's said get an AK, but I feel that's real close to an AR that it might not be enough of a step.

Now to go backwards a little bit, I shot my buddy's 338 lapua and it just wasn't for me. Was cool, but it was too big, too pricing, too much work. Would hate to spend all that money and shot 5 rounds a year, at 140 yards. Haha


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Get an SKS (J&G has some pretty good ones right now) or a step up from that would be the AK. They are pretty dissimilar to ARs and they are cheaper to shoot. Don't start getting into that high dollar long distance stuff yet, you will eventually work your way up there naturally, no need to force it prematurely.
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