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Default Santa Clara County CCW Status post Peruta

20 Nov 2014
Santa Clara County has responded to Peruta being upheld and all challenges being denied. See post #161 for details and the official Santa Clara County CCW webpage for the official response.

13 Nov 2014
The 9th Circut Court of Appeals denied all challenges to its Peruta descision on 12 Nov 2014. As of today, there has been no update or comment from Sheriff Smith regarding this ruling. See post #123 for details.

27 Mar 2014
SCC has revamped its website, and therefore the link to the CCW page has changed. See post #116 for details. I've also edited the title of the thread to more accurately reflect the current status of things.

3 Mar 2014
hks95134 stopped by the Sheriff's office this morning to drop off his application in person and was able to get a status update. See his post #109 for the latest.

28 Feb 2014
The Sheriff's office has made it clear them processing applications hinges on the Peruta ruling becoming final. The AG appealed that ruling yesterday (2/27). Its probably still a good idea to file your application and essentially claim your spot in line, but I think its safe to assume our applications will sit in a pile on a desk untouched until this appeal is resolved. See post #91 for more info.

27 Feb 2014
ironpegasus contacted the Sheriff's office regarding how to fill out the app, as there is some confusion regarding which sections to fill out and which to leave blank. See their response in his post #78.

26 Feb 2014:
We now have an official response from the Sheriff's office! See post #40 for the update.

25 Feb 2014:
No response from Deputy Stenderup. However after seeing ColdDeadHands1 post, I submitted the CalDOJ app to the sheriff's office anyway. See his (linked above) and my post #31 for details.

21 Feb 2014:
I have been regularly contacting Sheriff Smith's office regarding LTC applications for the past 16months. The first time I received a return call from Sgt Cardoza informing me apps were not available, but to try back again in a few months. Each time I've tried back since, I have received no response of any kind. I've been ignored.

However, today I called the office and actually got somewhere. Maybe. Probably not. But none the less I was told to email Kurtis Stenderup as he's now the PIC of LTC's. This may be old news to others who've tried, but this is the first time I've been given a name and a contact since I started trying 16 months ago.

kurtis.stenderup@sheriff.sccgov.org

I'll keep this thread updated if/when I hear anything.
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I have been regularly contacting Sheriff Smith's office regarding LTC applications for the past 16months. The first time I received a return call from Sgt Cardoza informing me apps were not available, but to try back again in a few months. Each time I've tried back since, I have received no response of any kind. I've been ignored.

However, today I called the office and actually got somewhere. Maybe. Probably not. But none the less I was told to email Kurtis Stenderup as he's now the PIC of LTC's. This may be old news to others who've tried, but this is the first time I've been given a name and a contact since I started trying 16 months ago.

kurtis.stenderup@sheriff.sccgov.org

I'll keep this thread updated if/when I hear anything.
I just sent him an email. If I get anywhere I too will report back.
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I just sent him an email. If I get anywhere I too will report back.
I did too. Looks like he is the new Public Information Officer. Wonder what happened to the previous LIAR, Sgt. Cardoza. I had been dealing with him and his stories for the past year and a half. He probably got promoted to a higher status of liar for Sheriff Smith.
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I also sent him an email with a bunch of questions, will post as he replies.

Just in case we get more roadblocks thrown our way maybe collectively all calgun members in the Santa Clara County requesting a CCW should ban together as a unit, If we show unity and will sue together as a group we can get a better response.
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Figure they might put him behind a firewall so I called the investigative unit and in a round about way got Sgt. Stenderup's direct line. Unfortunately he is in a meeting and his voice mail is full. Here is his direct line in case you guys want to try calling him personally:

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I have been regularly contacting Sheriff Smith's office regarding LTC applications for the past 16months. The first time I received a return call from Sgt Cardoza informing me apps were not available, but to try back again in a few months. Each time I've tried back since, I have received no response of any kind. I've been ignored.

However, today I called the office and actually got somewhere. Maybe. Probably not. But none the less I was told to email Kurtis Stenderup as he's now the PIC of LTC's. This may be old news to others who've tried, but this is the first time I've been given a name and a contact since I started trying 16 months ago.

kurtis.stenderup@sheriff.sccgov.org

I'll keep this thread updated if/when I hear anything.
Assuming the "apps" that are not available are applications and not appointments, he was 100% wrong.

The applications are available for anyone who wants to fill one out and print it.

https://www.co.merced.ca.us/documents/Sheriff's%20Department/CCWAPP_1.PDF

This is a standardized application and by CA Penal Code they cannot require any other application.
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This is a standardized application and by CA Penal Code they cannot require any other application.
Alameda county has an "ACSO Initial Application".

https://www.alamedacountysheriff.org...ion%20Form.pdf

Am I not required by law to fill this one out???

Any info would be great. as in the actual PC?
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https://www.alamedacountysheriff.org...ion%20Form.pdf

Am I not required by law to fill this one out???

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That has been the law for many years. Notice how Alameda cares.

See the sticky in this forum - http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=388997
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By law, an issuing agency is forbidden to ask for an 'additional application' - That has been the law for many years. Notice how Alameda cares.

See the sticky in this forum - http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=388997
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Would ACSO initial app considered ^this^
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26175 - applications, especially (g)

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Would ACSO initial app considered ^this^
That would only fly if they first review your standard application and find something specific that needs clarification or interpretation. Then they could require you to provide more information, but only for those specific areas in question. They can't add a whole different set of questions that aren't related to the standard application.
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Here is the Ca DOJ Standard Application for License to Carry A Concealed Weapon (CCW)

http://www.placer.ca.gov/departments...s/ccwappl.ashx
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Please keep us updated. I would like to apply as soon as we get good news, rather than the 'shoo go away' mentality we get here in SCC.
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I submitted my application in person yesterday at the Sheriff's HQ. It took awhile for them to figure out what to do but in the end they took it. They told me to check in with the PIO in "a while". I also prepared an "acknowledgement of receipt" document and the deputy who took my application signed it so I have an official record of their receipt.

This is the farthest I have gotten in 2 years with them and the first time they have actually acknowledged receipt of my application. We shall see what happens next!
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I submitted my application in person yesterday at the Sheriff's HQ. It took awhile for them to figure out what to do but in the end they took it. They told me to check in with the PIO in "a while". I also prepared an "acknowledgement of receipt" document and the deputy who took my application signed it so I have an official record of their receipt.

This is the farthest I have gotten in 2 years with them and the first time they have actually acknowledged receipt of my application. We shall see what happens next!
What did you fill in for the "good cause" portion of the application?

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Thanks to Ed Peruta, I simply wrote "Self defense."
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That would only fly if they first review your standard application and find something specific that needs clarification or interpretation. Then they could require you to provide more information, but only for those specific areas in question. They can't add a whole different set of questions that aren't related to the standard application.
Thank you!

The ACSO initial app asks questions with different wording and asks for 3 character references that have lived in Alameda county for at least 3 years. I have those, but that seems absurd. Essentially if you have just moved there and don't know anyone you cant fill out the app....
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Deciding not to wait for Deputy Stenderup, I just submitted my application as well.

However, I chose to do so via certified mail with a return receipt. On the envelope, and return receipt I wrote "CCW License Application" so there's no mistaking what it is. As far as I understand, once the receiver signs for it, they have 90 days to follow up or be in direct violation of the law.

PS: ColdDeadHands1, where did you fill out your just cause? As I read the app, sections 1 thru 5 were to be filled out and submitted, and then sections 6, 7 and 8 will be filled out only in the presence of an official of the licensing agency. Section 7 is where the "Details of Reasons for Applicant Desiring a CCW license" (aka just cause) can be found. Did you fill those sections out in front of the deputy at the office, then have him/her sign the app where required?
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Deciding not to wait for Deputy Stenderup, I just submitted my application as well.

However, I chose to do so via certified mail with a return receipt. On the envelope, and return receipt I wrote "CCW License Application" so there's no mistaking what it is. As far as I understand, once the receiver signs for it, they have 90 days to follow up or be in direct violation of the law.

PS: ColdDeadHands1, where did you fill out your just cause? As I read the app, sections 1 thru 5 were to be filled out and submitted, and then sections 6, 7 and 8 will be filled out only in the presence of an official of the licensing agency. Section 7 is where the "Details of Reasons for Applicant Desiring a CCW license" (aka just cause) can be found. Did you fill those sections out in front of the deputy at the office, then have him/her sign the app where required?
Nope, I filled out the whole application. The application is intended by the DOJ to be filled out in the presence of the LEO. Since SCC doesn't do it that way, I filled it out in it's entirety.
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Nope, I filled out the whole application. The application is intended by the DOJ to be filled out in the presence of the LEO. Since SCC doesn't do it that way, I filled it out in it's entirety.
Ahhah. Gotcha.

Well lets keep this updated with our results. Given our two different submission methods, and two different filled-it-out approaches, we should be covering several bases between the two of us.
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Nope, I filled out the whole application. The application is intended by the DOJ to be filled out in the presence of the LEO. Since SCC doesn't do it that way, I filled it out in it's entirety.
What about the portions where you are required to sign presumably in front of a witness with a badge number? Or is that an either or type thing?

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What about the portions where you are required to sign presumably in front of a witness with a badge number? Or is that an either or type thing?
I'm planning to sign mine when in their presence; all sections completed so that they know good cause and good moral character when it was submitted.
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I submitted my application in person yesterday at the Sheriff's HQ. It took awhile for them to figure out what to do but in the end they took it. They told me to check in with the PIO in "a while". I also prepared an "acknowledgement of receipt" document and the deputy who took my application signed it so I have an official record of their receipt.

This is the farthest I have gotten in 2 years with them and the first time they have actually acknowledged receipt of my application. We shall see what happens next!
For the uninformed such as myself... I understand the application form is a standard CA state form that we download from anywhere *except* the SCC website (go figure)... here is one central source:

https://www.calgunsfoundation.org/carry/

Where exactly do you take the form to begin the process for SCC?

update: partial answer to my question above...

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55 W Younger Avenue
San Jose, CA 95110
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And since we are in a mode where we really need to dot our I's and cross our T's, does anyone have a template for an "Acknowledgement of Receipt" of the application other than using USPS methods for a return receipt? It seems a little ludicrous that we'd have to put up with such nonsense, but the 90 day requirement behooves us to do our due diligence, it seems, or risk the application being "lost" in the system.

Thanks to the OP and others for starting down this path... I look forward to seeing how our illustrious SCC bureaucracy handles this situation.

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Additional question... is the list of approved 16-hour trainers for SCC-approved CCW training available somewhere? (I hope this isn't going to be another avenue for them to cockblock this LTC process...)

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Additional question... is the list of approved 16-hour trainers for SCC-approved CCW training available somewhere? (I hope this isn't going to be another avenue for them to cockblock this LTC process...)

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Scootle brings up a valid point. Isn't there supposed to be some sort of training class requirement ahead of time before applying for a permit?

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And since we are in a mode where we really need to dot our I's and cross our T's, does anyone have a template for an "Acknowledgement of Receipt" of the application other than using USPS methods for a return receipt? It seems a little ludicrous that we'd have to put up with such nonsense, but the 90 day requirement behooves us to do our due diligence, it seems, or risk the application being "lost" in the system
I am NOT a lawyer and I could be totally off base here... but I have a little experience on the mail side of things: send it "certified". When you send something "certified" you invoke certain legalities; in other words, sending something certified carries official weight and has legal standing as proof of delivery and acceptance. The receiver can of course refuse delivery, but should they not, there is no legal wiggle room for saying they never got it. And as I understand it, the second someone on their end signs for it, is the second the 90 day clock starts. If I am not contacted within those 90 days, as is required by California law they have violated the law.

The return receipt was an additional service I added because (1) it looks more impressive to the receiving end and (2) I want proof positive it was received. There can be no "we didn't get it" or "it got lost" now.

ColdDeadHands1 chose to deliver it in person and he did the very smart thing by having them sign that they'd received it. If it ever came down to it, I'm sure his proof would stand up in court every bit as well as the certified mail delivery would.

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I see nothing in the app that says having training is a prereq for applying.

My feeling is this: the app is very incomplete, and is instead meant to start the process. The rest of the app will be filled out in the presence of an official when you're interviewed; aka when you have your "appointment". Its at that time, as I understand it, that you'll be required to provide such things as proof of instruction, etc.
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Update!

There is now a CCW Permit link on the SCCGov website: http://www.sccgov.org/sites/sheriff/...W-Permits.aspx

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Members of the public wishing to obtain a CCW under the standards recently articulated by the Ninth Circuit in Peruta v. County of San Diego should be aware that the decision has not yet become final.

Federal court rules prescribe a period of time which must elapse before the case is remanded to the District Court for further proceedings.

Applicants that seek a CCW permit under the self-defense standard set forth in Peruta will be processed in the order they are received should the decision of the Ninth Circuit become final. Once the decision becomes final, applicants will be contacted by the Sheriff’s CCW Unit with instructions on how to complete the process.

In order to accommodate, and expedite, the large numbers of anticipated applications, the Sheriff’s Office and County Counsel are currently revising the process for issuing CCW permits.

If you are interested in applying for a CCW permit, please complete the application below and submit it either via mail or in person to:

Santa Clara County Sheriff’s Office
ATTN: CCW Unit
55 W Younger Avenue
San Jose, CA 95110


Currently it takes approximately six months to complete the CCW application process.

If you have any questions, please email CCW@sheriff.sccgov.org. Due to the overwhelming amount of phone calls we have received, we will only be corresponding via email.
The link at the bottom of the page is to the standard CalDOJ application (13 pages).

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