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@ Paladin, thanks for putting this together. and for the Princess Bride reference. "inconceivable!"
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thanks for this.

Useful info to show to those on the fence.
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indeed... this thread is worthy of a bump for newcomers to read!!
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Thx for the props(?) guys.

Feel free to link to it in your sig lines as I do mine.

I've got a few more to add which I'm just dumping here since my browser freezes when I try to open the 1st page of this thread. I'll move them to the 1st page once I get things working right.

163) 2015 May 21; GA, Atlanta; Hashim Fannin stopped his Nissan in the parking lot at a Family Dollar earlier this month. The vehicle's doors automatically unlocked after he put it in park and Edgar Horn, 61, hopped into the car. Fannin felt the BG was trying to carjack him, so he drew his CCW and held BG at gunpoint, proned out in the parking lot until police arrived. Horn was charged with attempted robbery and entering an automobile.
News article & video at:
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local...-police/nmL4Z/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ly-Dollar.html
https://gma.yahoo.com/georgia-man-tu...opstories.html
http://www.flyheight.com/videos/blac...ngratulate-him

arrested BG Edgar Horn


163) 2015 July 27; OH, Cincinnati: ~8 pm, Sunday, 62 yo Thomas McCary used a gun in each hand to shoot at 4 people, incl. a 1 yo boy. He was arguing with Jeaneta Walker, when her brother, Patrick Ewing came out. McCary pulled out a .38 and shot at Patrick 3x, but missed him Patrick, a CCWer, pulled out his gun and shot and hit the BG in the leg. The BG then went into his apartment and returned with another handgun and fired it 3x in the direction of Jeaneta and another man and her 1 yo son. CCWer opened fire again, but neither hit anyone. BG retreats into his apartment. He is arrested later that night at the Cincinnati Medical Center.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/27...led-carry.html

Shot and arrested BG Thomas McCary


164) 2015 July 30; CO, Boulder: just before 6 pm, a drunk 47 yo Heriberto Haro-Luna confronts his estranged wife in the parking lot of the Sacred Heart of Jesus church. A church employee w/a CCW was walking to his car and noticed the confrontation. Haro-Luna grabs her by the neck and threatens to slit her throat. CCWer draws and tells BG to leave her alone. BG flees, but is soon tasered and arrested by police for suspicion of attempted first degree murder, first-degree assault and felony menacing. This was his 2nd arrest for DV.

The 41 yo victim was rushed to hospital for emergency surgery: she had multiple stab wounds in her abdomen, but is recovering well.
http://www.dailycamera.com/news/boul...from-attempted

arrested BG Heriberto Haro-Luna


165) 2015 July 30; FL, St. Petersburg; ~9:45 pm, 27 yo Dominique Albert yanked open the passenger door of a parked car w/2 men in it and brandished a steak knife in an attempted carjacking. [Un?]fortunately, the car was an undercover cop car and the two men were plainclothes detectives. The driver shouted "Police!" and leveled his gun at the BG who dropped his knife and fled. [Un?]fortunately, the BG resisted arrest, so the 2 cops fought him until a back up cop arrived and tasered him too. They found 2 more large, fixed blade knives on him. Charged with "carjacking, resisting arrest, and aggravated assault on a law enforcement officer, all felonies, Albert is locked up on $170,000 bond." He was out on bail for allegedly shoplifting at a Walmart the previous month.

While this is NOT a CCW incident, the BG thought he was attacking 2 unarmed men who turned out to be armed. If they had been "just" CCWers and not LEOs, the incident probably would have ended when a CCWer drew his gun and the BG fled. The CCWers would have then called the cops to pursue the BG. (Or it could have ended with the CCWer/s opening fire on the BG while still seated in the car.)
http://thesmokinggun.com/documents/s...vehicle-786023

arrested BG Dominique Albert


166) 2015 Aug 05: NV, Las Vegas; just before 9:30 pm, 3 black BGs, 1 armed, approached a couple exiting their car parked in the Newport Cove apartment complex. While the BGs tried to take the woman's purse, the male "victim" pulled out a handgun and opened fire, killing 1 BG. The other 2, described as "black men in their late teens or early 20s" wearing dark clothes are on the loose. No charges were filed against male victim.
http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/29725...holdup-attempt
http://www.news3lv.com/mostpopular/s...-armed-robbery

167) 2015 Sept 21: MI, Warren: 43 yo robber walked into the Citizens Bank and announced a hold-up. He got money from a teller and then pointed a gun at a 63 yo CCWing customer, who then shot him in both arms and a leg. The BG flees, drops the money and is found nearby "laying on his back, holding his leg and screaming his head off" according to Bromly Daves, a witness. BG was taken to local hospital w/non-life threatening injury. CCWer is cooperating w/police.
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/c...arren/35398190
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015...ncealed-carry/
http://www.freep.com/story/news/loca...rren/72582764/

168) 2015 Oct 10: SC, North Charleston: ~5:00 am, 19-year-old Joshua Jermaine Davis tried robbing a Waffle House when a CCWing customer opened fire, hitting him once. The BG later died. A restaurant employee expressed gratitude for the customer’s action. “He saved us, that’s what he did.” Said an officer at the scene: “It says something about firearms ... for good people with firearms being in the right hands.” The policeman said he was not authorized to speak for the North Charleston Police Department. No charges will be filed against the CCWer.
http://www.postandcourier.com/articl...PC16/151019902
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2393200

deceased BG Joshua Jermaine Davis


169) 2015 Oct 10: CT, Waterbury: ~2:30 am, 26 yo Raphael Dillard armed with a handgun, tried robbing Cafe Azzurri and its customers. Patron 53 yo Howard Williams (a former Waterbury firefighter and bar owner), opened fire, hitting the BG once, killing him. No charges have been filed against the CCWer, but the police took his handgun and the investigation continues.
http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/l...331886291.html
http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/l...332210862.html

170) 2015 Oct 24: FL, Jacksonville: just before 10 pm, a 30 yo Domino's Pizza delivery driver attempted to deliver 5 pizzas to a house on Playschool Dr when approached by 2 BGs, 1 of whom was armed with a 12 gauge SGN. The other BG took the pizzas. When they told him to empty his pockets he grabbed the barrel of the SGN, drew his .380 HGN and fired, injuring the armed BG who let go of the SGN. Both fled and the injured BG was arrested at UF Health hospital.
http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...n-who-shot-him
http://www.news4jax.com/news/westsid...ealth/36037188

171) 2015 Oct 31: IL, Chicago: ~7pm 55 yo Reginald Gildersleeve entered Agencia Mexicana store & currency exchange wearing a Halloween mask, pulled out a handgun, announced a robbery, pointed the gun at an employee and ordered her to the back of the store. A 44 yo male CCWing customer opened fire, hitting the BG multiple times, killing him. Turns out the BG's gun was fake. The BG had a long rap sheet and once worked at the store. The BG's family said CCWer should have shot only once to wound. LE believes it is a case of self-defense and does not expect to file charges.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/01...-armed-gunman/
http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/7/7...-carry-robbery
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...031-story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...icago-stick-up

deceased BG Reginald Gildersleeve


172) 2015 Oct 31: CA, Bellflower: ~9:00pm Halloween 39 yo CCWer Steven Pappas and Jerry Cleveland were in the parking lot of a restaurant Pappas owns when they saw a group of men attack a young teen male, kicking him and beating him with the handle of a sledgehammer. "Pappas drew his weapon and yelled at the attackers to stop. The man with the handle took a step toward him, Pappas said, but then saw his gun and fled." Pappas and Cleveland were honored by the City of Bellflower with BRAVO awards. Although Bellflower is in Los Angeles county where it is extremely difficult to obtain a CCW, Pappas lives in Orange county where the sheriff readily issues CCWs which are valid throughout the state.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1130888
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/p...carry-gun.html
http://www.allsafedefense.com/i-disp...on-last-night/


173) 2016 Jan 13: IL, Chicago: 2 BGs, one 24 yo and the other 35, entered a T-Mobile store in the morning, pretended to be shopping for a few minutes, then drew guns to rob the store. One employee fled to the rear of the store and called 9-1-1 while the other employee, a CCWer, drew his weapon and opened fire, hitting one BG in the groin and arm and the other in the abdomen and arm. Neither BG got off a shot. Both BGs fled with the CCWer chasing them, calling in their description to 9-1-1. Both BGs were arrested at a local hospital where they were in serious condition. Neil Tadros, the store manager, praised the CCWer for protecting his own life and that of the other employee.
http://abc7chicago.com/news/t-mobile...pects/1157778/

174) 2016 Jan 19: TX, Bastrop County; ~10 pm, 23 yo Bastrop County Deputy Dylan Dorris saw Kenton Fryer flee in a car as he pulled up to a verbal disturbance call. LEO pursues BG, who pulls into a gas station. LEO tries to arrest BG and fight ensues. BG is grabbing LEO's handgun when Marine vet. and CCWer Scott Perkins comes to LEO's aid, drawing his gun and ordering BG to freeze. BG flees, but is caught and charged with "aggravated assault of a public servant, taking an officer’s weapon, evading arrest or detention with a vehicle, and driving while under the influence with a child under 15." Officer Dorris says, "I’m alive today because of him."
http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/02/0...ggling-suspect

BG Kenton Fryer
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175) 2016 Jan 23: SC, Columbia: ~7pm, 2 masked BGs, 35 yo Adeyemi Herschelle of NJ, armed with a handgun stolen from a SC home in 2012, and an unknown man with a rifle, entered Next Up Barber & Beauty Shop to rob it, the employees and the customers. The BG with the rifle stood watch as the one with the handgun went person-to-person, taking their valuables. At a moment when both BGs were distracted, a CCWing customer drew and opened fire on both. Immediately, a CCWing barber, Almory Bookman (sp?), also opened fire. The BG with the rifle fled out the front door and is on the run. The BG with the handgun tired to flee out the rear door, but it was locked so he got shot more and died at the hospital. Video of the robbery and shooting from 2 different interior cameras and interviews at the links.
http://www.wltx.com/story/news/local...ting/79244718/
http://www.wistv.com/story/31036728/...ershop-robbery
http://www.wistv.com/clip/12169778/w...rshop-shooting

176) 2016 Jan 26: KY, Louisville: ~6:15 pm, BG John Ganobick followed a woman (with an IN CCW) by herself from a shopping mall into its elevator from the Fourth Street Live food court to the parking lot on level 6. There she ran to get in her car about 10 parking spaces away, but he caught up with her, got in behind her, and pulled out a knife and attacked her. She drew her small Beretta pistol from her purse and pulled the trigger, but it did not fire. She kept pulling the trigger until it did fire and shot him 2x, hitting him in the neck and buttocks. Witness called 9-1-1. The victim received multiple injuries but is fine. BG is charged with attempted murder, kidnapping and criminal mischief.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ife-point.html

Twice shot BG John Ganobick:


177) 2016 Feb 05: PA, Philadelphia: "Police are crediting a vigilant gun owner with saving the life of an Upper Darby cop Friday after he saw the officer being attacked and surrounded by a large group of teens. 'There were 40 kids. If it wasn't for the good Samaritan stepping forward, he'd have been dead meat,' Upper Darby Police Superintendent Michael Chitwood said. 'There's no doubt they would have attacked him.'" LEO breaks up fight between two "teen boys," holding one of them when the other jumps on the LEO. ~40 - 50 other "teens" surround the LEO and close in on him. 35 yo CCWer comes out of his house with gun in hand and tells the "teens" to back off until other LEOs arrive.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20...k_by_kids.html


178) 2016 Feb 10: MI, Warren: on a Wednesday morning at the GM Tech Center, a 32 yo daughter and her 52 yo mother, Stephanie Kerr, got into an argument outside the main entrance. The daughter then produced a knife and started stabbing her mother in the neck, back and abdomen. Valet and CCWer Didarul Sarder heard her cry out "I'm dying, someone help", so he drew his CCW and ordered the daughter to drop her knife and held her for police. Kerr is in the hospital in critical condition but expected to survive. His employer, SP+, who has a contract w/GM to provide valet services, has suspended him with pay pending the results of the police investigation.
http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/loca...88543818-story
http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/89020036-video
http://www.dailymails.xyz/news/artic...cal-mayor.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...e-womans-life/

179) 2016 Feb 10: AL, Hamilton: 57 yo BG Jimmy Cooper entered a law firm, shot and killed 67 yo Donny Miller. The BG then walked 2 blocks to an accounting firm, was unable to enter thru a locked back door, so entered the main entrance under false pretenses, went to the rear of the offices and killed 61 yo Linda Cole. Bystanders inside and outside the building scrambled to retrieve weapons from their vehicles." (No weapons at work policy?) When BG left the building, one of them confronted him from cover. BG shot at him 15x but missed. GG shot 2x and hit BG, stopping him. The DA will seek the death penalty.
http://news.yahoo.com/video/two-kill...072242398.html
http://www.wtva.com/news/Hamilton_Al..._shooting.html

Injured BG Jimmy Cooper


180) 2016 March 02: PA, Philadelphia: 65 yo CCWer ("Sal") and his wife (in her 50s) were walking home from work ~8:30 pm when they were accosted by 2 BGs: a 20 yo and 21 yo. (In the video, both appear to be white men.) The BGs attacked Sal, punching him in the face, knocking him down. They then attack his wife also knocking her down. As they continue their attack Sal draws his .45 cal handgun and shoots the 20 yo in his stomach and the 21 yo in the neck-shoulder area. Both BGs are in stable condition in hospital. Sal was treated and released. Police consider it self-defense.
news article & video:
http://6abc.com/news/police-man-65-s...llage/1226676/

181) 2016 March 13: WA, Burien: ~5:45 am Sunday, 43 yo felon Steven Blacktongue, wearing a mask and armed with a hatchet, entered a 7-Eleven and attacked a 60 yo customer. He then attacked a 58 yo store clerk. That's when the customer, a regular there for his morning coffee, opened fire, hitting the BG multiple times, killing him. The BG had not said a word during the entire attack. The clerk suffered minor stomach injuries. “Fortunately, because of this customer with his weapon, this could have been a lot worse,” sheriff’s Sgt. Cindi West told the station. “The clerk could be the one laying there dead on the floor right now.”
http://q13fox.com/2016/03/13/machete...omer-at-7-11/#
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-...n-for-assault/

deceased BG Steven Blacktongue


182) 2016 March 13: VA, Hampton: 2 teenage BGs approached a 71 yo man, a CCWer, to rob him. One pulled out a gun and demanded money. The CCWer shot 18 yo Jafari Mitchell once in the chest, killing him. The other BG, a 15 yo, fled but was caught and faces attempted robbery and use of a firearm in the commission of a felony charges. The PD PIO says the CCWer is not facing charges.
http://wavy.com/2016/03/13/18-year-o...ects-at-large/
http://pilotonline.com/news/nation-w...9aeafb81d.html
http://wtkr.com/2016/03/13/man-dead-...ng-in-hampton/

deceased BG Jafari Mitchell


183) 2016 April 15: MD, Baltimore: just before 6pm an off-duty cop was in plain clothes and waiting in line at Green Tree Liquors when a BG burst in brandishing a HG and announced a robbery. The cop drew his duty gun and shot the BG several times. BG died at the hospital. No one else was hurt.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...-robbing-store

184) 2016 May 07: TX, Legacy City: at 2:10 pm, 37 yo BG Ratawn Bourgeois approached a pickup at a McDonald's drive-thru and pointed a gun at the driver. The driver, who had his 4 yo son with him, drew his CCW and shot the BG multiple times, hitting him in the chest. The BG died at the hospital. Although the BG had a misdemeanor drug conviction, he did not have any violent crime convictions. The case is expected to be given a "no bill" by a grand jury.
http://www.galvnews.com/news/free/ar...2c5464c6f.html
http://www.galvnews.com/news/free/ar...09e41b3d1.html

deceased BG Ratawn Bourgeois


185) 2016 June 26: SC, Lyman: at ~3:30 am Sunday, 32 yo Jody Ray Thompson, got into an argument outside of Playoffz nightclub, pulled out a gun, and opened fire on a crowd, injuring 3. Renada Irby, a woman who was shot while sitting in her car, said she heard at least 10 - 15 shots fired. BG's 4th target was a CCWer who drew his own gun and fired back, hitting Thompson once in his leg, causing the BG to stop shooting and run away. Thompson is charged with "four counts of attempted murder, possession of a weapon during the commission of a violent crime, and unlawful carrying of a weapon." Police say the CCWer won't face any charges. None of the victims injuries were life-threatening. video & text at: http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/323...tclub-shooting
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016...ding-the-news/
http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/06/3...lina-nightclub

injured BG Jody Ray Thompson


186) 2016 July 07: TX, DeSoto (Dallas suburb): just before 2:30 am Thursday, BG armed with an AK-47 stormed into a Waffle House and robbed patrons and the business. A CCWer, who's wife was on her way to the restaurant, confronted the BG in the parking lot. BG turned and pointed AK at CCWer who shot him several times. Police have been unable to ID the BG, described as a 25 - 26 yo black male 6'1" and 180 - 190#, who is on life support. CCWer was not arrested and case will be referred to a Grand Jury. UPDATE: Police have ID'ed BG as Antione Devon Cooper.
https://www.facebook.com/desototx/ph...type=3&theater
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b08608d3324059
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime...police-say.ece

187) 2016 July 25: NV, Las Vegas: ~4 am a group of 6 people were playing Pokemon GO at Gary Reese Freedom Park when a juvenile driver pulled up in an SUV and armed BG Elvis Campos (18 yo), got out to rob the players. One of the players was a CCWer, a gunfight ensued and both were injured w/non-life threatening gunshot wounds. Both the BG and his accomplice have been arrested. Campos held on felony charges of attempted murder, conspiracy, robbery, battery and assault with a deadly weapon. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/27...las-vegas.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ry-permit.html

injured BG Elvis Campos


188) 2016 July 26: PA, Wynnefield: ~5:15 am, BG first tried to use a gun to kidnap Jerome Eason, but he escaped. The BG then tried armed robbery upon a CCWer who shot the BG 3x, hitting him in the stomach, back and hand. The BG is in critical condition. No charges against CCWer expected.
http://6abc.com/news/police-robbery-...field/1443291/

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189) 2016 Aug 01: AZ, Glendale: ~1 am, BG Frank Taylor (27 yo), pointed a gun at the head of CCWer Carolyn Miracle (23 yo) in an attempted armed robbery, near a Circle K convenience store. She drew her gun and shot him once. He died at a hospital. Witness statements corroborate and physical evidence was consistent with her account.
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/...ting/87913778/
http://www.azfamily.com/story/325863...k-self-defense

deceased BG Frank Taylor


190) 2016 Aug 07: OH, Cleveland: ~3 pm, an armed robber entered a Family Dollar store. A CCWer customer told the BG as he was leaving to drop his gun. They exchanged gunfire. The BG was shot in the head and taken to MetroHealth Medical Center. The CCWer was uninjured.
http://fox8.com/2016/08/07/man-with-...bbery-suspect/

191) 2016 Aug 18: WA, Mason Co.: just before 4 pm, a deputy tried to pull over a vehicle for a traffic violation. The driver was a wanted felon, so he fled, reaching >100 mph. The deputies backed off, but the BG still ended up crashing into a tree. When deputies caught up, the BG was on his knees with a citizen (presumably a CCWer) holding him at gunpoint. Name of BG pending charges. http://www.ifiberonenewsradio.com/ne...350d05033.html

192) 2016 Aug 22: MI, Eastpointe: ~10:15 am, 30 yo Richard Ashford approached 91 yo CCWer in a threatening manner in a Rite Aid parking lot. He told Ashford he had a CCW, retreated into his car and waited until Ashford was out of view. He then got out of his car again and was walking to the store when Ashford again approached him in a threatening manner. This time he said he was armed and Ashford fled. Ashford quickly return holding an object above his head, so the CCWer drew his .38 revolver and fired 2x, hitting Ashford once in the neck. Ashford was charged with felonious assault. “This elderly man’s self-defense is an entirely appropriate use of force,” Prosecutor Eric Smith said. “Facing imminent assault, he announced that he was armed, made attempts to withdraw, warned again that he held a weapon, and fired only when completely necessary.” http://www.wxyz.com/news/region/maco...onious-assault

injured BG Richard Ashford


193) 2016 Sept 11: KA, Shawnee: ~1:30 pm Sunday, a 39 yo woman putting her infant in a car seat was attacked -- hit multiple times on the head -- in a Wal-Mart parking lot by 2 BGs, 1 of them armed. A 33 yo unarmed Good Samaritan intervened, H2H fighting w/the BG and was critically wounded: got shot in the face, chest and wrist for his trouble. An armed Good Samaritan, a 36 yo CCWer, then intervened and shot BG 28 yo John W. Simmons III multiple times, killing him right there. The other BG, 27 yo Arthur Fred Wyatt III, fled but was later caught and is facing 1st degree attempted murder, attempted aggravated kidnapping, and attempted aggravated robbery. The woman went to the hospital and later released. Her baby was unharmed. The CCWer was interviewed and released. Joshua James Owen, the unarmed GG has >$30,000 medical bill and a GoFundMe page: https://www.gofundme.com/2hzy86kc?ssid=737490479&pos=3
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local...101331872.html
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local...101824937.html
http://www.guns.com/2016/09/13/good-...ng-lot-attack/
http://fox4kc.com/2016/09/13/second-...mart-shooting/

As the saying goes, "If you're going to play 'knight in shining armor,' you'd better have a sword."

deceased BG John W. Simmons III and arrested BG Arthur Fred Wyatt III


critically injured UNarmed Good Samaritan Joshua Owen


194) 2016 Sept 17: MN, St. Cloud: ~9:30 pm at the Crossroads Mall, Dahir Adan, 22 yo Somali-American, dressed in a security guard's uniform and armed with a steak knife in each hand, asked people if they were Muslim, stabbed 7 men & 2 women aged 15 - 53, and shouted "Allah akbar" and "Islam." An off-duty LEO, Jason Falconer shot the BG once when he lunged at Falconer and then 3 more times when he got back up, killing him. Falconer shot 10 rounds total and hit the BG 6x (head, chest, right side of body, back and left leg), using a Glock 19.
https://www.scribd.com/document/3266...cer#from_embed
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/18...hour-span.html
http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/dahir-...ing-minnesota/
http://heavy.com/news/2016/09/jason-...acebook-photo/
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/10/06...-fbi-says.html
http://www.policeone.com/terrorism/a...d-mall-attack/
Graphic video shows each stage of the attack 3x:


deceased BG Dahir Adan


195) 2016 Oct 07: WA, Tacoma: 27 yo Beayanka LaFleur drove the recently released from prisoner with multiple felonies, 26 yo Terry Webb, to illegally buy a handgun at Frisko Freeze fast food restaurant parking lot. Then ~6:40 pm he robbed of 2 men waiting in their car for their orders. He then told the 36 yo driver/CCWer to throw the keys out the window and demanded to be driven away. The driver said he just threw the keys out and then fired 3x and the BG may have returned fired 1x while fleeing. Ms LaFleur drove the BG to the hospital but he died along the way. No charges expected against driver. LaFleur is being charged with first degree robbery as an accomplice. http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/l...107330702.html
http://www.kiro7.com/news/local/man-...coma/455036876

196) 2016 Nov 01: MO, So. St. Louis: ~4pm a 73 yo CCWer was in his truck inside his detached garage when 18 yo Jonathan Warren of Florissant and 20 yo Lonnie Middlebrook of Ferguson approached him, both had guns. Warren put a gun to his head and told him to back his truck out. The 73 yo drew his own gun, opened fire and killed both BGs. Warren's gun had been reported as stolen 2 days earlier. (I am assuming the GG had a CCW since it sounds like he was in his truck, he had his gun on him and ConCarry does not take effect in MO until 2017 Jan 01.)
http://fox6now.com/2016/11/02/73-yea...bbery-attempt/
http://fox2now.com/2016/11/02/suspec...hood-break-in/

deceased BG Lonnie Middlebrook (no pic found for deceased 18 yo BG Jonathan Warren)


197) 2016 Nov 14: FL, Lee County: ~9:30 am Deputy Dean Bardes was assisting FL Highway Patrol at an accident scene on I-75 when he was almost hit by a car driven by 53 yo Edward Strother. The LEO believed it was an intentional act, so he got in his patrol car and gave chase. The BG fled, at times up to 100 mph, and then pulled off on Corkscrew Road exit and stopped. The LEO stopped and was attacked by the BG as he exited his car. The BG threw the LEO violently to the pavement, straddled him and beat him viciously. (Strother had been a CT corrections officer for 22 yrs. He had MJ in his system and had been having mental problems.) The LEO cried out for help. Ashard Russell, a 35 yo CCWer, exited his car and told the BG 3x to stop or he'll shoot. The LEO kept shouting out "Shoot him! Shoot him!" When the BG did not stop, the CCWer fired 3x hitting the BG in the L arm, chest and neck, killing him. The LEO was released from the hospital the same day. "Edward Strother at the time had an active misdemeanor arrest warrant for Failure to Appear on a Battery charge here in Florida. He had no felony convictions." Lee County Sheriff Mike Scott released a statement saying, among other things, "My deepest and sincere appreciation goes to the citizen who engaged the crazed assailant and stopped the imminent threat of great bodily harm or death to our deputy." CCWer won't face charges.
http://www.winknews.com/2016/11/15/j...lved-incident/
http://www.nbc-2.com/story/33717479/...ing-identified
http://www.fox4now.com/news/good-sam...-confrontation
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/15...ffic-stop.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-his-attacker/
http://www.nbc-2.com/story/33720066/...ctions-officer
video of shooting: http://www.nbc-2.com/story/34846661/...ritan-shooting

deceased BG Edward Strother


198) 2016 Nov 15: PA, Levittown: ~9:50 pm two BGs wearing dark clothing, surgical gloves and masks and armed with pellet handguns that looked like real guns entered Porfirio's II: Pizza and Pasta in the Skyline Shopping Center and said "Give us all your sh-t." They ordered the sole customer and the employees onto the ground. One BG pistol whipped the customer, a 35 yo man, who then drew his .45acp Glock and shot both BGs. 24 yo BG Shawn Rose died right there from a chest shot. His brother, 22 yo Justin Rose, was taken to a local hospital with serious gunshot wounds to his neck and shoulder and was in "critical but grave condition." Bucks County District Attorney Matt Weintraub said no charges will be filed against the CCWer even though his permit was expired.
http://levittownnow.com/2016/11/15/p...at-pizza-shop/
http://levittownnow.com/2016/11/16/n...-levittown-pa/
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20...e_charged.html

199) 2016 Nov 24 (or before): PA, Pittsburgh: ~1:00 am a 42 yo CCWer went to withdraw cash at a PNC Bank's ATM on N. Homewood Ave. He was accosted by two 16 yo armed BGs wearing black masks who tried to rob him. He shot one in the stomach and the other in the leg. Both were hospitalized and will live and face charges.
http://www.wpxi.com/news/man-shoots-...-say/470137404
https://www.iowagunowners.org/man-sh...tm-police-say/
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200) 2016 Dec 17: PA, NE Philadelphia: 9:34pm a 19 yo BG tried robbing a pizza delivery driver on the 1400 block of Wellington Street. The driver shot him in both lower legs. The BG is in stable condition in a hospital. (I'm assuming the driver is a CCWer since it does not say he was arrested.)
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/...407256565.html
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/12/18...incidents.html

201) 2016 Dec 18: FL, Aventura: ~5:30 am an Uber driver was picking up a passenger near an upscale mall when a van cut in front of him and stopped, a man got out pointing 2 handguns at him. The CCWer/driver drew his own handgun and shot the BG, killing him. The van, with 2 other BGs, sped off. Neither the driver nor his passenger were injured.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/12/18...olice-say.html

202) 2016 Dec 30: IL, Chicago: ~1:50pm a 23 yo CCWer was walking in the 8200 block of South Ingleside when another man pulled out a gun and tried to rob him. They went H2H and pulled out his gun and shot the BG in the head, killing him. The CCWer was shot in the hip during the fight and taken to Stroger Hospital, where his condition was stabilized. A 2nd BG ran away after the 1st was shot.
http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/pol...ry-in-chatham/

203) 2017 Jan 08: TX, Houston: ~8:15 pm, 28 yo Manuel Rodriguez returned from grocery shopping and was unloading his car in his apartment parking lot when confronted by an armed robber demanding cash. A struggle ensued and the BG shot Rodriguez once in the chest. Rodriguez drew his own handgun and fired several times at the fleeing BG. Both died of their wounds. His wife and 3 young children (1, 2, and 8) were in his car when this occurred. (Since neither report raised any issue re. Rodriguez having a concealed handgun on him, I'm assuming he was a CCWer since TX isn't ConCarry.)
https://www.yahoo.com/news/dad-unloa...185700793.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-gro...160623451.html

204) 2017 Jan 12: AZ, near Tonopah: ~4:30 am AZ state trooper Edward Andersson, 27 yr veteran, was setting out flares at the scene of a fatal accident when he was ambushed and shot in right shoulder and chest w/a 9mm handgun. The BG -- 37 yo Leonard Escobar, illegal alien, drug user and former Mexican federal police officer -- then physically attacked the LEO, repeatedly smashing his head into the pavement. A GG driving by stopped and asked the LEO if he needed assistance. The LEO said yes, so GG went back to his car to get his 9mm handgun, confronted the BG still on top of LEO, demanded he stop his attack and when BG refused, he shot BG 2x in chest from ~5' away. The GG then rendered aid to the LEO. But the BG got up again and attacked again, so the GG shot him once more in the head, killing him. "'My trooper would not be alive without his assistance,' Department of Public Safety Director Frank Milstead said of the good Samaritan who stopped." The trooper is expected to recover. (The GG was driving to CA w/his fiancee, so even if he did have an AZ CCW, CA does not recognize it, so that maybe why he wasn't carrying. Also, AZ does not require a CCW to carry.)
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/12...r-on-road.html
http://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/ari...28691268-story
http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/...opah/96481168/
http://www.abc15.com/news/region-pho...-10-in-tonopah

deceased BG Leonard Pennelas-Escobar


205) 2017 Jan 22: TX, San Antonio; ~3:30 pm 2 armed BGs robbed a Kay's Jewelers store in Rolling Oaks Mall. As they fled, 1 BG was confronted by an unarmed Good Samaritan, 42 yo Jonathan Murphy, who tried to stop him. Murphy -- who was at the jewelers with his wife to have their wedding rings cleaned -- was shot dead by that BG. A nearby CCWer saw that and shot that BG (who was later taken to a hospital in critical condition). The other BG saw this and fired at several people, hitting 2, as he fled in the opposite direction. 34 yo Jason Matthew Prieto was later captured. Both BGs face capital murder and aggravated robbery charges. An elderly woman went to the hospital with chest pains and a pregnant women went into labor. (This is another example of the wisdom of the saying, "If you're going to play 'knight in shining armor,' you'd better have a sword.")
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/22...eally-bad.html

captured BG Jason Pietro


206) 2017 Jan 23: PA, Philadelphia: ~7pm near 5th and Yocum streets, a 36 yo pizza delivery man realized his call was to an abandoned area and as he called back to the shop a BG put a gun to his head. He tried to run, but got shot twice, incl once in his arm. He then shot back and the BG fled the scene. The victim drove himself to a hospital. http://www.fox29.com/news/231366137-story

207) 2017 ?? ??: PA, North Philadelphia: ~11pm a CCWer came out of a 24 hour Chinese take-out on N. 5th St and Allegheny when a 19 yo slugged him and chased him before the CCWer stopped and shot the BG 6x. BG is in Einstein Medical Center hospital. http://www.fox29.com/news/228456095-video

208) 2017 Jan 24: AR, Little Rock: ~1:30 am, "two Domino's Pizza employees, Nathaniel Carter, 24, and David Stricklin, 50, both of Little Rock, were depositing money at the Bank of the Ozarks at 13415 Otter Creek Parkway" were approached by Cornell James Drones, 35, and Anthony Michel, 40, both of Little Rock and both armed. The two BGs tried to rob Carter of the money, but there was a brief struggle, and Drones dropped his firearm. Carter picked up the gun and fired several times, striking Drones in the upper body. Drones fled, driving to Love's Travel Plaza, a little over a mile away, where he got out and collapsed. Drones was taken to UAMS Medical Center where he died. Michel is held on capital murder and other charges. No charges are expected against Carter. While Carter was not carrying, IMO, he acted as he would have if he had a CCW. http://www.nwaonline.com/news/2017/j...ber-2017/?news

deceased BG Cornell James Drones and arrested BG Anthony Michel


209) 2017 Jan 26: FL, Wesley Chapel: ~6:30 am, an armed & masked BG, 31 yo Christopher Lilly, entered a Marathon Convenience Store, demanded money and then ordered a regular customer who was getting his coffee and the clerk into a back cooler. The customer, a CCWer, drew his gun and both confronted the BG. The BG pointed his gun at them, and they fought H2H, causing the BG to drop his gun. When he reached for it, the CCWer shot him in the thigh. "Lilly was flown to a local hospital with non-life threatening injuries. ... “If you’re in a life and death situation and you’re in fear of your life, you absolutely have your God-given right in Pasco County to defend yourself,” Sheriff Chris Nocco said." Lilly had at least 11 previous arrests.
http://wfla.com/2017/01/26/customer-...enience-store/
http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/re...-weapon-permit

shot BG Christopher Lilly


210) 2017 Feb 02: IL, Venice: BGs Billy Dean Dickerson, 19, of St. Louis and Perry A. (aka Deandre) Richardson, 23, tried to rob a 70-year-old Vietnam veteran who was dropping off a friend at her house in the 200 block of Abbott Street. While they were talking in their car, the BGs pulled up on the driver's side and Dickerson, in the passenger seat, pointed a handgun and demanded money. The vet instead pulled his handgun shooting Dickerson in the head killing him and hitting Richardson in the arm and chest. Richardson was taken to a hospital and faces up to 60 years in prison under IL's felony murder law.
http://fox2now.com/2017/02/05/st-lou...s-killing-one/

injured BG Perry A. Richardson and deceased BG Billy Dean Dickerson (no pic found as of 2017 Dec 03)


211) 2017 April 08: IL, Chicago: ~4:50 pm, BG Ronald Morales, 43 yo, made eye contact with a man pumping gas as he left a gas station convenience store. The BG went to his car and got a gun and approached the other man's passenger door (the man had gone back into his car and had 3 passengers). The BG drew his handgun in a threatening manner, so the man got a handgun out of his car, exited his car and the two exchanged gun shots. The man was not injured but the BG died of his injuries. The man will not face charges since it was a self-defense shooting.
video at: http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburb...509-story.html
and: https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5bc_1494448442

212) 2017 April 24: MO, St Louis: ~3:50 am, a 35 yo female employee at a 7-Eleven was taking a smoking break when armed BG Derrell L. Mayes, 30, approached her to rob her. She drew her handgun and shot him in his chest, arm and thigh, and he shot her twice in her leg. He died and she is stable. He had a criminal history that included burglary, assault and gun charges.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/c...3e2247013.html

Deceased BG Derrell L. Mayes


213) 2017 April 27; PA, Upper Macungie Township: ~1:30pm 32 yo Lisa Green's 3 yo pit bull-boxer mix turned on her and attacked her. Neighbors heard her screaming and tried to intervene. The dog refused to stop the attack. Off duty Slatington police chief David Rachman, arrived home and was brought to the attack. He went back to his truck, retrieved his off-duty .380 handgun and returned to the scene. He fired once but missed, then fired a 2nd time hitting the dog in a thigh. That stopped the attack. The woman died of her wounds.
http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/m...428-story.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...side-home.html
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...php?p=20027234
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214) 2017 May 03; TX, Arlington: ~6:15 pm, 48 yo James Jones (black) entered the Zona Caliente Sports Bar & Grill, shouted some anti Latino comments and then shot manager Cesar Perez (37 yo father of four (ages 18, 17, 12 and 10)), in the face, killing him, when Perez tried to calm Jones down. That's when an unidentified CCWer (police are calling him a "Good Samaritan" and said "We're treating the good guy as sort of a hero") who was having dinner with his wife told her to get down on the ground and then shot the BG in the back. Both the Perez and Jones died at the scene of the crime. Police think the BG intended a mass killing since he had another semiauto handgun and 2 knives. Jones did not have a "handgun license" (in TX that is to carry).
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/arli...ng-reports-say
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/goo...ice/ar-BBAL3Gc
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/c...nager-47210166
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...police-n755136
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2017/05/04/f...ather-of-four/

215) 2017 May 06: TX, Dallas: ~11:20 pm a Domino's Pizza delivery driver pulled up to what was a vacant house when 2 BGs (16 yo Wayne Delaney Osborne and another 16 yo), attempted an armed robbery. When the driver fled, Osborne shot at his head, but missed him. The driver shot back hitting and killing Osborne. The other youth fled, but was caught. The driver did not have a CCW and prosecutors will decide whether to charge him after the investigation is complete.
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Piz...421564823.html

deceased BG Wayne Delaney Osborne


216) 2017 May 10: IL, Chicago: ~11:30 am CCWer was standing next to his car in the South Side of Chicago when 2 BGs, one armed, approached him demanding his car keys. Instead CCWer drew and fired his gun, hitting one BG -- 25 yo -- in the groin. (He's in "good" condition.) The other BG fled but was caught. Both face charges. A weapon was found.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...510-story.html

217) 2017 June 20: FL, Jacksonville: ~5:30 pm, young men called for a Hot Wok Chinese food delivery to W. Arancio Drive. Two black men in their early 20s answered the door and pointed a black semiauto handgun with a green laser at the driver, telling him several times to come inside. When he turned around to flee, a third black man, also armed with a black handgun, was behind him. He was surrounded. The driver/CCWer threw the food at the 3rd man, drew his Glock while quickly back peddling and fired 4 - 5x hitting 2 of the BGs. The CCWer said he didn't even have time to use a two-handed grip. He yelled for neighbors to call 911. He held one BG at gunpoint for the police, to be arrested and sent to a hospital by police, and the others fled. Another later called the police telling them he had been shot and he too was arrested and taken to a hospital. The third is on the run. The home was vacant because it was for sale, but the sign was missing. Police did not mention how many times, if any, the BGs fired.
https://www.news4jax.com/news/chines...uld-be-robbers
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/lo...bber/536883113
https://www.facebook.com/Jacksonvill...765020182896:0

218) 2017 Oct 05: NV, Las Vegas: A large BMW drives ~60 mph down a 25 mph residential street, so 36 yo resident Justin Pearson calls 911. They ask him for its license plate, so he grabs his HK VP9 and goes outside. The BMW had stopped and was now coming back. It stops about 50 yrds away, the driver gets out, runs and grabs a 6 yo boy out of his front yard and stuffs him in the car. Pearson is 6'4" but rail thin. He estimates the BG to be his height, but ~250#. Pearson lifts his shirt, grips his CCW but does not draw and yells to the BG to halt. The BG sees the gun and stops, giving the boy a chance to escape. The BG drives away and LE arrive 17 min later. Turns out the BG is the boy's biological father who does not have parental rights nor permission to take the boy. Pearson said, “Many years ago, I was carrying and a guy pulled a knife on a friend of mine. I quickly drew my firearm, and the kid ran away.” In neither case did he have to fire his gun. More at:
https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/n...ps-kidnapping/

219) 2017 Oct 08: IL, Moline: A BG with a knife forced himself into a woman's truck. Her arm was cut during the struggle. The BG forced her to drive to a rural part of Rock Island County, tossing her cellphone along the way. Once they stopped she was able to get her handgun from the center console and drive the man off. She then drove herself to the hospital. Police charged 61 yo Floyd R. May with "aggravated kidnapping, aggravated battery with a weapon, unlawful use of a weapon by a felon and aggravated assault. He was held in the Rock Island County Jail on $550,000 bond." She has a MO, not IL CCW. From: http://wqad.com/2017/10/12/knife-wie...grabs-firearm/
http://www.ky3.com/content/news/Conw...451541183.html

arrested BG Floyd R. May


220) 2017 Oct 11: MI, Detroit: in the early evening (still light out), armed BG Sanchez Quinn, 29 yo, approached two men talking outside a neighborhood grocery store, the Super X Market. One, a "CPL" holder, bladed his stance, drew his gun from his short's pocket while reaching out with his forward hand to deflect the BG's gun. As he retreated and the BG fell, both men fired at each other. The BG was shot multiple times. The CCWer's cousin crossed the line of fire and was hit 4x. Both BG and cousin are expected to live. Police told the CCWer it was a good thing he was armed, otherwise he and his cousin might not be alive. http://nypost.com/2017/10/11/robbery...concealed-gun/
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...2#post20764072

multiple gunshot injured BG Sanchez Quinn (in hoodie)


221) 2017 Nov 30: NC, Hillsborough: ~3pm, Rev. Austin Brown, pastor of Five Forks Baptist Church was studying in church when someone broke in. The pastor saw the man and shot at him and then shot at the tires of his fleeing vehicle. Orange County deputies came across Cory Vondell Bradshaw carrying a spare tire. He fled when confronted and hid out among some trees until they caught him ~5pm. He had hidden the car nearby. The pastor has had an AL CCW for years and has applied for a NC CCW. He moved to NC within the past year. (I assume AL and NC have reciprocity since no mention of charges (assuming he was outside of the church when shooting at the vehicle).) The BG has been charged with felony breaking and entering and attempted larceny. http://www.wral.com/minister-foils-o...-car/17154739/

arrested BG Cory Vondell Bradshaw


222) 2017 Nov 30: MO, South City St. Louis: ~10:20 pm, a 41 yo Imo's Pizza delivery driver was attacked by 2 men, 1 of whom pistol whipped him on the 4600 block of South Spring Avenue. As the driver ran back to his car, that BG opened fire on him, missing him. The drive shot back with his own handgun fatally hitting 17 yo Lavon Courtney Jr., and then drove back to the shop and called 911. The 2nd BG ran away. Police are reviewing the case. The distraught driver resigned.
http://www.kmov.com/story/36970071/m...-in-south-city
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/c...2a7b77f8d.html

223) 2017 Dec 05: GA, Dawson County: 52 yo Sgt. Randy Harkness, 24 year veteran of Dawson County Sheriff's Office gave Justin Foster, a homeless man, a ride to a Chevron gas station/convenience store. Harkness got out his wallet to give him some money when Foster attacked him. A woman customer got out of her car with her CCW and shot at the BG 3x, hitting him once in the leg. The BG fled across a street to a McDonald's where he confronted a 75 yo woman, told her she was "dead" and punched her in the face. Police believe it was an attempt to steal her car. A couple of McDonald's customers beat Foster to the ground until LE arrived. Although Georgia Bureau of Investigation and DA haven't decided re. whether to charge the CCWer, Sheriff Jeff Johnson said "I truly believe that she's a hero. I believe that she potentially saved this officer's life." BG Foster is facing attempted murder and multiple aggravated assault charges.
https://crimeresearch.org/2017/12/sh...sheriffs-life/
http://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/woma...t-during-fight

injured Sgt Harkness (left) and shot and arrested BG Justin Foster (right)


224) 2017 Dec 06: TX, San Antonio: just before 9pm, Carlos Molina, 32, was dining with his family at Popeyes Louisiana Kitchen, when 19 yo BG Andres Herrera, wearing a mask, attempted armed robbery. Molina told him he just spent all his money on the meal and asked if his family could leave. Most left, and the BG started demanding money from employees. Then when 2 of Molina's children came out of a bathroom, Herrera pointed his gun at them. That's when Molina drew his handgun and shot Herrera several times, killing him. Police say he is a licensed gun owner, acted in defense of a 3rd person, and will not face charges. San Antonio PD Cpt. Michael Starnes said “He really saved the day and protected a lot of people today.”
http://news4sanantonio.com/news/loca...h-side-popeyes
http://abc13.com/father-kills-armed-...urant/2751065/
http://foxsanantonio.com/news/local/...ect-say-police
http://www.chron.com/news/local/arti...g-12411849.php

225) 2017 Dec 14: IL, Chicago: ~8pm, 21 yo BG Jermaine Marshall was died of gunshot wounds to his back and chest from an attempted robbery at gunpoint of a 27 yo CCWer in a car in a Target parking lot. The CCWer was taken into custody and then released without any charges, but the investigation continues. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...217-story.html

226) 2017 Dec 18: IL, Chicago: ~5:30 pm, a 55 yo man began making a "disturbance" outside a Near West Side store. A CCWer inside the store went outside and fired shots, critically wounding him in the leg. The BG was taken to Mount Sinai Hospital. Charges are pending against the man who got shot. The CCWer was questioned by authorities. https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/co...outside-store/
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227) 2018 Feb 26: WI, Milwaukee: just before 6 am, a 24 yo CCWer was pulling up to work when 21 yo BG Carlos Martin got out of a SUV that followed him and attempted a carjacking using a gun. The CCWer opened fire, killing Martin. Prosecutors have not decided whether the killing was self defense yet.
http://fox6now.com/2018/02/26/didnt-...-wake-up-call/

deceased BG Carlos Martin


I went back and highlighted CCWers helping/saving LEOs by making those blue.

228) 2018 Feb 02: UT, Springville: A LEO saw BG Paul Douglas Anderson looting a donation bin, confronted him and was attacked. CCWer Derek Meyer was driving by, saw the attack, turned around, parked, drew his handgun and ordered the BG to stop the attack. As he was about to fire, the BG stopped the attack and fled, but was later caught. The LEO suffered a broken eye socket, was released from the hospital and is expected to recover. Cpl. Cory Waters of Springville Police said the CCWer helped save the officer's life.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/04...e-officer.html

arrested BG Paul Douglas Anderson (L); CCWer Derek Meyer (R)



229) 2018 May 24: OK, OK City: ~6:30 pm, Alexander C. Tilghman, 28, entered Louie’s Grill & Bar and opened fire with a handgun, shooting 39-year-old Natalie Giles and two girls (they are in good condition). A fourth person broke their arm trying to flee the restaurant. Carlos Nazario, 35, and Bryan Wittle, 39, were not armed, but they rushed to the trunks of their vehicles to grab their handguns as Tilghman began shooting. They shot BG dead. Indications are the BG had mental problems and the attack was random. Capt Bo Mathews of OK City PD said: "I consider them two people who stopped an incident that was very tragic. I mean, you can say they're heroes, which is a very good thing to say. ... Heroes is a great terminology. I just say they were two people who stopped a very tragic situation from going any further."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...uys-with-guns/
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...y-2-bystanders

deceased BG Alexander C. Tilghman


230) 2018 June 17: WA, Tumwater: ~5 pm BG 44 yo convicted felon Tim Day hijacked a car and drove to a Walmart where he got out, entered the store, went to the sporting goods area, shot open a locked display case containing ammo, grabbed some, left the store and tried to carjack another car in the parking lot after shooting its driver 2x (he was in critical condition). He gave up on that one and was trying to carjack another car when he was confronted by 2 CCWers. Pastor David George, a 47 yo father with his children, killed the BG.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...-on-the-scene/
http://komonews.com/news/local/polic...mwater-walmart
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/06/20...peaks-out.html

deceased BG Tim Day


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My bottom line "lessons learned" are: (1) have a gun (i.e., get a CCW and frickin' EDC!), a G43 in the pocket beats a G19 at home every time. (2) Obey the 4-S Rule (Don't hang around Stupid people; don't go to Stupid places; don't do Stupid things; and don't be out at Stupid times.) Stupid places include not only bars and strip joints, but McDonalds, IHOP, Waffle House and Denny's, especially late at night (Stupid times). (3) Don't get a job delivering food.... It just ain't worth the risk. (4) Things like mounted lights, lasers, BUGs and reloads/spare mags are a distant second to rule #1: have a gun. (5) "Racial profiling" is a thing for a reason.... (6) Most civilian gunfights are up close & fast and will be over fast (related to #4). The first shot that lands usually determines the winner. An immediate secure grip, smooth fast draw from concealment, and ability to move fast and shoot fast & accurate are key. You're unlikely to have time to look for and get to cover, or even to get into a Weaver stance, flash sight picture, surprise break and while counting your shots. Train to automatically do double-taps and assume each BG will require a double double-tap (2 to chest, 2 to head). Since single handed point shooting rules 80% of the time, recoil matters. Spend only 20% of training/practice time on everything else. (See 80:20 Rule) (7) Semis do jam, for both BGs and CCWers. Practice malfxn/clearance drills or carry a revolver.
See also John Correia of Active Self Protection (ASP): http://blog.krtraining.com/even-more...or-conference/
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Need to re-order this list from 'Newest' to 'Oldest'.....no one cares to start off by reading something from over 30 years ago!!!

Starting with something current would be more germane to where we find ourselves now, considering our current times and circumstances, and would make more sense.

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Need to re-order this list from 'Newest' to 'Oldest'.....no one cares to start off by reading something from over 30 years ago!!!

Starting with something current would be more germane to where we find ourselves now, considering our current times and circumstances, and would make more sense.

Think of how much time & effort would be involved to cut & past to rearrange all these incidents into reverse order....

Plus, I don't get paid for doing this!
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OP.... thanks for adding to this over time with updates... you are awesome!!!
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OP.... thanks for adding to this over time with updates... you are awesome!!!
Thanks!

Here's 2 more from John Lott, PhD's website. I'll try to add them this coming weekend.
https://crimeresearch.org/2018/04/tw...ago-past-week/

ETA: Here's an example from
2017 Feb 15: CA, Redding: ~9:15 pm, 45 yo BG ...
https://www.redding.com/story/news/l...aces/98524754/
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1304048

deceased BG John Scott Souza, aka John "Jocko" Larry Parks


ETA: Here's another example:

2018 May 24; OK, Oklahoma City: ~6:30 pm Tilghman enters the restaurant wearing shooting ear muff and eye protection glasses. Over several previous weeks he's posted Youtube videos claiming Satan and demons are attacking him, possessing the bodies of people, birds and even insects to attack him, and asking for "real humans" to contact him.

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'We did what anyone would have done': 'Heroic' armed citizens who shot dead Oklahoma restaurant shooter speak out, as the NRA says they prove only 'good guys with guns' stop mass shootings

Juan Carlos Nazario, 35, and Bryan Whittle, 39, stopped the Oklahoma shooter. Shooter Alex Tilghman, 28, shot at random into a restaurant on Thursday night. Nazario and Whittle were nearby and raced to their cars to retrieve their guns. Nazario fired two shots at Tilghman when he refused to drop his weapon

A female military veteran and two young girls were shot in the attack. Natalie Will was grazed on her upper arm, while daughter Syniah was worse off. The 12-year-old had two holes in her bowel and had part of her colon removed. A 14-year-old friend of Natalie's other daughter may lose use of her hand. Alex Speegle was shot in the collarbone, upper arm and bullet hit a nerve in hand.

Tilghman was licensed to carry a gun as he was an armed security guard.

The NRA have said Nazario and Whittle were two 'good guys with a gun'. They say stricter gun control would have prevented them from stopping shooter
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-shooter.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...t-shooter.html
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...man/645607002/

deceased BG Alex Tilghman


2018 May 26: FL, Holly Hill: ~11:30 pm Little Caesar's Pizza employee Heriberto Feliciano, 28, was closing shop and was attacked by a man in a devil's mask as he left. He was hit in the face and on his shoulder with a board until it broke. He was then pinned to the ground and the BG drew scissors to stab him. At that point, the CCWer drew his gun and fired 4 or 5x striking and killing the BG.
More: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/28...olice-say.html

2018 Sept ??: FL, ???:



2018 Sept 13: IL, Cicero: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...php?p=22118288
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