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.223 - Stuck bore snake
So I was cleaning my keltec su16ca with a bore snake and the end of it got stuck about 1.5 inches in. I was pulling the snake from the receiver through the muzzel and it's stuck VERY WELL. I've tried pushing it back through, didn't work, tying the part that was out of the muzzle to a post and trying to pull it the rest of the way, broke the bore snake. So i've got a bore snake stuck in my barrel with no end showing. HELP!!! is this at the point of just take it to a gunsmith and have them fix it or does anyone know of a way to get this damn thing out?
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You need to SEGMENT the dowel. Don't just put a full length dowel and hammer on it. Of course it's going to snap. Cut the dowel rod into 2" pieces.
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Try soaking/pouring water down barrel to soak bore-snake remnants, to get it wet.
Place barrel/upper in the freezer (less optics if equipped) for several hours. Then try the wooden dowel while it (bore-snake remnants) is still frozen.
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And shooting a live round through it is probably the worst idea someone could come up with. |
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You just don't want the bolckage to compress even further making it tighter in the bore. Freezing it, can make it solid enough and shrink it just a tad, to make it easier to drift out of the bore. The other option is to take a MAPP torch and burn off as much of the nylon bore-snake and drift it out, but this would be my last resort type of thing.
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Have you tried ramming a metal cleaning rod through there?
The boresnake is made of cloth? Random thought, and correct me if it's stupid: Maybe you could detach the barrel, set the boresnake on fire in the barrel with gasoline or mineral spirits and then just push out the burrned ashes with a dowel or rod when it cools off. |
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I've heard of people using MEK to dissolve the boresnake.
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Does anyone know if this would effect the barrel? (methyl ethyl ketone (MEK))? and if not would it be something Home Dept would have?
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Read post 28 and 29 of this thread, http://thehighroad.us/showthread.php...e+snake&page=2
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Brass or aluminum rod from home depot or any hardware store. stronger than a wood dowel, and cheap. brass and aluminum are softer than steel so you won't mess up your rifling. get a rod that is as close to the bore size as possible.
cut the rod so that it only extends about 1 to 2 in out of the muzzle. tap the rod with a hammer. TAP, don't bang it.
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Wow, i just started using a bore snake recently in my 223 bore, your post is giving me serious second thoughts.
Was the bore snake old ? Did you insert it dry ? I've been giving mine a generous soaking of Rem oil prior to insertion in the bore, seems to work. I do worry about it snapping, please let us know how this works out and good luck. |
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The hand operated drill is a good idea, but may cut into the bore if you are not very careful. Gasoline and fire don't mix in a confined area. But I may be tempted to use a propane torch. The SU's barrel is threaded into the reciever and is difficult to remove. A fiberglass or plastic coated rod after freezing sound like the best ideas here so far. If you try to fire a round in a Keltec with a plugged barrel. I guarentee you it WILL blow up. I'm sure this guy was joking..But OMG, if you would have believed it to be factual, You could have blown your face off.
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There's your problem right there.
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maybe someone else already posted this but i dont want to look through it all.
this happened to me too, so i sprayed some Rem oil down it, let it soak for about 1 minute, then i just pulled really hard, and it came out. basically, it seems stuck, but its actually just tight. keep pulling it everything will be good to go. |
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I have encountered this problem before. I tried burning it out, didn't work. Used a brass rod and tried to push it out, didn't work. What I finally did was take a piece of brass and make a drill with it. I made the drill like a barrel liner drill. The first half inch was turned down about an eighth of an inch will the rest of the drill was turned down to about .200"(was a 223 with a .224" diameter). I did that so the smaller part drilled into the material keeping the rest of the drill stable so I could minimize it hitting the barrel. It worked and there was no damage to the barrel or rifleing. In this situation, the numnut that got it stuck used 550 cord and tied a few knots in it trying to emulate a bore snake. when ever you tried to push it out, it would compress on itself pressing against the barrel walls.
This should work for your situation. I don't know about using water to freeze it to push it out. It might work I don't know and never tried it. I do know of a trick to get an action out of a stock when it was improperly bedded, stick the rifle in the freezer. This shrinks the metal allowing you to remove the action sometimes. So, if you put your barrel in the freezer to freeze the water, will it make the bore diameter smaller? Bringing it to a competent gunsmith might be your best answer.
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but in the OPs case, the boresnake broke so there is nothing to physically pull on.
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If you soak the snake with oil and then use compressed air from the muzzle end, I would think that would do the trick.
As a last resort, perhaps a cartridge fired with NO BULLET, just the primer or a tiny amount of powder, might pop the snake out. Wear eye protection with either method.
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Water expands when it is frozen, and the barrel diameter is going to shrink when it gets frozen. I like the MEK idea of removing the snake remnants.
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MEK will eat the snake in about 20-30 minutes. I doubt that you can get it at home depot. Remember that crap also eats through rubber gloves.
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IIRC, I got some MEK at the local ACE hardware store a couple years ago. And to test it you could use a part of the broken boresnake and soak it in MEK to see how it reacts.
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I would NOT try to fire a round or even a primer to blast it out. It's not worth the risk to person or firearm as primers explode with quite a pressure. A primer only charge would at the very least blow the bolt open and release hot gas through the ejection port. |
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So I tried the water method and the frezzing method and neither worked. at this point I think I'm going to just take it to a gunsmith before I serious deamage the barrel (if I haven't already). Thanks everyone for their help and suggestions. I'll let you know when I get it back how they solved the problem.
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I have seen the Klean-Strip brand of MEK at several Home Depots... it is next to the Klean-Strip brand of Acetone, Boiled Linseed Oil, Mineral Spirits, and such. |
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Yeah, me too. My bore snake pulls through easily though. You know, I never used a bore sanke until recently. I ran it through (brand new) my 10/22 5-6times. I then ran a patch through there. The patch was still a bit dirty. It did not clean it as good as I thought it would.
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For what it's worth, I almost did the exact same thing. Bore snake got stuck something aweful.
In my case, the cord did NOT break when I tied it to a post, and I was able to get it out with a wicked pull. Spray a bunch of light (Rem) oil in there, and pull smooth and hard. Since your cord is broken, this advice does you no good at all. I'm a fan of the chemical solutions.. drilling, pounding, all sound risky if you care about your bore. Also, there is No Chance of pushing the snake out the other way.. the brass bristles are >>>> shaped, and reversing them takes even more force. You *can* buy MEK at Home Depot. Doesn't seem like it could hurt. Use a funnel to keep it off your plastic bits, and remember to flush it from the gas port. I can't see how it would hurt the bore, so give it a soak. Acetone would be my first try, since it generally dissolves nylon and adhesives. And calling the BoreSnake manufacturer sounds like a great idea. I'm sure they've heard this story before, and probably have a solution in mind. |
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Another idea of dubious merit is to use a chemical to attack/dissolve the bronze bristles.. like Sweets or Barnes ammonia solutions.
I don't know how long you can leave it in your KelTec barrel, but it may weaken the bronze enough to allow a rod to push it through. |
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FWIW Otis makes that bore patch kit, allways fold the circular cloth to the correct place, i.e. don't run a 30 cal size in a 223.
Personally I like the idea of bore to muzzle patches, one system for all bores, and the Otis kit.
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I have cleared some really well plugged bores with segmented brass rods.
I cut one rod to stick out of the barrel a couple inches and then drive in additional short 2-3" rods as necessary. I have yet to find a barrel that this would not clear.
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