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Old 06-10-2015, 5:47 PM
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Im located here in the South Bay area. Im looking to have my receiver drilled and tapped with four holes. Ive talked to a few gunsmiths and the going rate seems to be $25-$40 a hole. Are there any cheaper that you all know of? Thanks!
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What size/pitch? What material?
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And how much do you expect to pay for crooked holes??

theirs a reason it's $25 a hole
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Some of those receivers are harder than a mother . . And some of those bits are not cheap. Also have setup time and making sure every thing is level and so on. You get what you pay for.
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Because of setup I'd expect there to be a setup cost and then a per hole cost rather than a given rate per hole.
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If cheap is your benchmark, Harbor Freight has cheap tap and die sets.
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And how much do you expect to pay for crooked holes??

theirs a reason it's $25 a hole
But the OP only wants cheap, he didn't say he wanted good or even straight holes, just that he wanted cheap.

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Ha! Wait until that cheap tap breaks off in the hole and you have to pay for an EDM house to burn it out. Or the holes and resulting threads are just a tiny bit off and the screws won't stay tight and you have to start over with a new receiver.
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But the OP only wants cheap, he didn't say he wanted good or even straight holes, just that he wanted cheap.
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If cheap is your benchmark, Harbor Freight has cheap tap and die sets.
but they don't have 6-48 or 8-40 but he is looking for cheep so I guess a 1/4 -20 would do
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but they don't have 6-48 or 8-40 but he is looking for cheep so I guess a 1/4 -20 would do
I was thinking 10-32 but definitely along the same line of thought.
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Because of setup I'd expect there to be a setup cost and then a per hole cost rather than a given rate per hole.
In general, it's a different setup for each hole.
In rare cases, one setup can do two or even three holes if they happen to be through multiple layers or the parts can be stacked together in the same setup.
That's why the prices quotes are "per hole".
The guy doing the quoting knows that each hole will be it's own setup.
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In general, it's a different setup for each hole.
In rare cases, one setup can do two or even three holes if they happen to be through multiple layers or the parts can be stacked together in the same setup.
That's why the prices quotes are "per hole".
The guy doing the quoting knows that each hole will be it's own setup.
I love how a customer is dictating how much a job should cost, Then this guy not understanding how it's quoted.

Not to sound arrogant but there sure is a lot of second guessing the guy doing the work these days. The insulting part is the second guessing is being done by people that have never stood in front of a machine or they haven't used one since shop class in grade school.

FYI guys Brownell's prints a shop price guide, It's a survey of gunsmiths and what they actually charge, Brownell's then prints the list with the low and high price and brownell's price for scope mount drill and tap, $20 to $45 per hole.

I had a local guy down here a few years ago call me and ask to do a muzzle brake install on his Remington. I never did do the work for him, Because he wanted it same day and he tried to haggle me down in price, I told him I could do it that day but to pull the job out of the machine and pissoff one of my better customers would cost him $150, He about died on the other end of the phone. Asked me why so much, I told him don't waste my time and have a nice day.

To many people want something for nothing these days.

Here's the deal people don't ask someone to do you a favor and then try and get them do do another favor by reducing the price. Save your money and get it done correctly or do what I did Learn how to do it yourself.

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To many people want something for nothing these days.

Nobody would expect an auto mechanic friend to rebuild a transmission for free, but holy smokes, a machinist? I'm asked quite often to make "just this little thing, it's easy", well, if it's so easy why don't you make it yourself?

Case in point: my neighbor lost the mandrel portion of his hole saw for cutting door knob holes. He actually asked me to make him one.
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He asked how much he owed me, I asked a small favor in return.
Instead of fulfilling my simple favor request, he bought me a $7 margarita.

People just don't understand how long, how much work and how much skill, not to mention tools and machinery, are required to make that "simple little thing".
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You know you have a winner when the conversation starts with something like "All ya gotta do is...." .
The OP didn't come off quite like that.
It's 40 bucks in California because it's California. The most expensive state to live in. If your living here and doing it for less you are cheating yourself, or doing it for love. Guys in W Virginia can do all 4 for 10 bucks because all they need is gas for the riding mower to get to the liquor barn.

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In general, it's a different setup for each hole.
In rare cases, one setup can do two or even three holes if they happen to be through multiple layers or the parts can be stacked together in the same setup.
That's why the prices quotes are "per hole".
The guy doing the quoting knows that each hole will be it's own setup.
I was assuming (yes) that the holes were all parallel. If it's in a mill it would involve squaring the receiver once and then just moving it around on the table.

What am I missing?

I don't have a mill and don't have that much experience with one, but do have a crappy lathe at home that I've used for favors.
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... If it's in a mill it would involve squaring the receiver once and then just moving it around on the table. ...


See what I mean? "All ya gotta do is...."

There is a lot more involved getting them where you want and not damaging the part. The charge per hole is sort of like a flat rate for typical work. Get a hard one like an 03-A3 or 1917 , or one that just ain't square with nothing, and you will earn every penny. Even using a Forster jig (which costs over $400) it takes careful setup and planning for each hole.
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I was assuming (yes) that the holes were all parallel. If it's in a mill it would involve squaring the receiver once and then just moving it around on the table.

What am I missing?
Maybe the holes are on opposite sides of the receiver which would require two set ups.

Maybe there aren't two, flat and parallel surfaces on the receiver to facilitate clamping in a mill vice, which would then require some tooling to be made to properly hold the receiver without damaging it.
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I was assuming (yes) that the holes were all parallel. If it's in a mill it would involve squaring the receiver once and then just moving it around on the table.

What am I missing?

I don't have a mill and don't have that much experience with one, but do have a crappy lathe at home that I've used for favors.
Going to sound real pissy here but, I'm the one with the $8000 (used) mill with as much in tooling, not to mention 2.5 decades of experience.

You are paying for it to be done right. And you only get one chance to do it correct. Again I don't want a guy that charges $10 a hole to do the job.

If it was so damn easy everyone would do it

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I know it's not easy to get it fixtured and flat. I'm trying to figure out why you need to re-fixture it for each hole.

I guess they could be on opposite sides, then re-fixturing would make sense, so a per hole charge would make more sense than a setup charge followed by a per hole charge (although them maybe it's 2x setup cost and 2x hole cost).
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I know it's not easy to get it fixtured and flat. I'm trying to figure out why you need to re-fixture it for each hole.
If all holes on a receiver where referenced from one flat surface, you wouldn't need to.

Can you guarantee that for the OP's holes? Do you know what type of receiver he has?

kendog, I laughed when I read your comment... "All 'ya gotta do is..." LOL

Well, it's true...All 'ya gotta do is have the proper machines, tooling and skills and it's a piece of cake...
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I know it's not easy to get it fixtured and flat. I'm trying to figure out why you need to re-fixture it for each hole.

I guess they could be on opposite sides, then re-fixturing would make sense, so a per hole charge would make more sense than a setup charge followed by a per hole charge (although them maybe it's 2x setup cost and 2x hole cost).
No one said "re fixture" we said "set up" and that's not the same.

The OP did not mention what type of gun it was. If it was a mosin nagant I'd recommend seal welding the scope to the action, mild joke for my hate and discontent for the rifle. I get a call once a month to cut down and thread a mosin or drill and tap one. I've done two total and I'll never do them again, most of the people that own them think that because the rifle is so cheep so should the cost of the work being done to it. That's my number one reason to not work on. Mosins


See junkie though it's not so much that you can't grasp the process it's more of a "if you know how to do it then why don't you" and I'm not trying to be a dick but you don't argue with you doctor over the price of the visit, you sure as hell don't tell him how to do his job, same applies here different smiths have different ways to do stuff and as long as they are doing a good job leave them alone.

Now as to the set up thing. So do know where the first hole needs to go and how deep so your chamber wall is not to thin?? Or how about missing the locking lug?? So you don't weeken it? How about trimming the screws to proper length so the bolt operates correctly??
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I've fixed more than a few, miss drilled receivers and slides, by plugging and re-drilling and tapping, much more expensive than doing it right the first time!

I've been a machinist, tool and die maker, and part time gun smith for over 40 years, ya, I've fixed a lot of "simple jobs"
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Turns out the OP is just another seller on the market place nothing to really contribute to the cause
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Just remember if it's so easy do it your self. If it's not that easy pay up. Think of the price of a good tap and die set. I used my cheap harbor freight drill press I turn the chuck by hand. With the tap in. I'm not talented enough to start it by hand.
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Just drilled and taped my brother inlaws mosin receiver for a rail. The holes are almost perfect. Almost. We are both happy with the results. If you are really picky or have a question on how perfect the hole needs to be just pay for it. If you want to do the work your self get a good tap and handle. Make sure to use the correct drill bit
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Just drilled and taped my brother inlaws mosin receiver for a rail. The holes are almost perfect. Almost. We are both happy with the results. If you are really picky or have a question on how perfect the hole needs to be just pay for it. If you want to do the work your self get a good tap and handle. Make sure to use the correct drill bit
I would have just stick welded the rings on
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Have you ever noticed how bad Harbor Freight smells? It's enough to turn one's stomach...
Yes,it's all of the rubber products.

My boss bought 8 rubber wheels for 2 carts.After they sat in the shop a day or two,the whole shop smelled bad!
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Sorry I can't stand Mosins well no, really it's just a handfull of owners that have left a bad feeling about them. And the only guy that I willingly did Mosin work for had no issue paying full bore and didn't once try to bargain with me on price.

I usually get a guy that wants a scope mounted or a bolt handle installed. or the occasional screw ball thats want me to restock one for him using a wood blank?? some peoples children???

I quote the price and they ask if I can do it for half

You can see where that conversation went
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