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Old 02-12-2018, 10:24 AM
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I'll try to be brief. A few years back I purchased a Miroku Charles Daly 800
20 gauge O/U in immaculate condition. I've had it looked at by several gunsmiths who believe it to be a Superior grade (very nice detailed engraving).

Last month I was contacted by the local gun shop that it was purchased. The gun shop owner was cleaning out his shop's safes and had found the original shotgun's hard case and some paperwork for this shotgun. Attached to the case was an SFO (San Francisco Airport) airline tag with the previous owners name.

Being that the name was unique I traced it to the owner (now deceased) and found out that he was a retired air force pilot stationed in Korea and Japan back in the 50's, 60's and 70's. He later flew for Pan Am Airlines's Asian routes and apparently was a big deal pilot who flew the escort jet for the President of the United States. The gun shop owner purchased the original owner's firearm collection from either his wife, son or daughter. I then purchased it.

I've previously posted photos of the shotgun on CG. It's beautiful and a great shooter! Kind of a cool story. From what I read from several online sources, he was a notable Air Force and airline pilot. The shotgun was manufactured in 1969 in the Miroku plant for Charles Daly. Two owners in almost 50 years. If it wasn't for the name tag attached to the hard case, I would not have been able to trace the background on this shotgun.

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Old 02-12-2018, 10:29 AM
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Thank you so much for not using the annoying "SHOTTY" slang. Great back story on an interesting shotgun.
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Thank you so much for not using the annoying "SHOTTY" slang. Great back story on an interesting shotgun.
It is actually spelled "SHOTTIE" but I agree with you in principle. I lean more toward "BoomStick" or "Street Howitzer" but to each his own.
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It is actually spelled "SHOTTIE" but I agree with you in principle. I lean more toward "BoomStick" or "Street Howitzer" but to each his own.
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Thank you so much for not using the annoying "SHOTTY" slang. Great back story on an interesting shotgun.
Different generation. It's called a shotgun. I never have nor ever will call it anything other than a shotgun. I guess I'm too old to call it anything else.
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Different generation. It's called a shotgun. I never have nor ever will call it anything other than a shotgun.
Wholeheartedly agree.
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Old 02-12-2018, 10:55 AM
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Share some pics of the shottie in this thread?
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Very nice of the shop owner to contact you and offer you the case after a few years.
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Very nice of the shop owner to contact you and offer you the case after a few years.

Yes, that really adds a lot to it. Great story, and good buy on your part! Sounds like it was meant for you.

I have a Miroku built Browning Special Sporting Citori O/U bought in 92. Excellent quality work from that factory.


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Shottie is what little kids do in there diaper.
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So I suppose it shouldn't be called a "Scattergun, Splattergun or Shot Slinger " either then. It's just a name, it gets the point across, it's still a "shotgun" no matter what as long as the name is understood.
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So I suppose it shouldn't be called a "Scattergun, Splattergun or Shot Slinger " either then. It's just a name, it gets the point across, it's still a "shotgun" no matter what as long as the name is understood.
Scattergun is ok.
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By the way, good story OP.
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Great story OP...Thanks.
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Good story, what was his name?

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Great story, it gives ownership of such a fine shotgun some extra meaning.
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Very cool. But don't you mean John Daly? Lol
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Very cool. But don't you mean John Daly? Lol
John, Bill, Carl or Charles..........it's one of those Daly's!
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cool story...thanks for posting! can't wait for the pics
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Any reason you couldn't post his name?
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William George Frisbie, A.K.A. (W.G. Frisbie)
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I have a good friend named Bill Frisbie who lives in San Bruno, CA. I contacted him when I saw the name "W.G. Frisbie" on the hard case airline tag. It wasn't a relative of his, but he told me that W.G. Frisbie was actually William George Frisbie, a well known AF and commercial airline pilot who also lived in the Bay Area until his recent passing. Since yesterday, I've spoken with a relative of William Frisbie and have found out more information about him, confirming that he spent time in Korea and Japan flying jets and commercial planes, and that he had a love of quality shotguns and hunted in many countries. I hope to get more information later on. I hope that helps.
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No, it's not.
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Thank you OP, that actually was a cool shotgun story.
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I have a pair of BC Miroku Superior grade skeet guns a 20 & 12 ga bought in the Navy Exchange at NAS Atsugi 1969 I've put 10's of thousands rounds thru both, had to replace one of the hammer springs in the 12 but all in all trouble free.
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Bull, thank you for the pleasant anecdote regarding your shotgun's prior, original owner.

Miroku craft well-made firearms. I have two Winchester clones; a Winchester-boxed Model 63 (.22LR) and a Browning 1892 in .44 Magnum.
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Bull, thank you for the pleasant anecdote regarding your shotgun's prior, original owner.

Miroku craft well-made firearms. I have two Winchester clones; a Winchester-boxed Model 63 (.22LR) and a Browning 1892 in .44 Magnum.
I forgot about my Browning MDL 12 grade 5 in 28 gage. I missed a chance years back to pick up a 1886 in 45-70.
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I forgot about my Browning MDL 12 grade 5 in 28 gage. I missed a chance years back to pick up a 1886 in 45-70.
Tom, have you shot steel out of your Daly's? My local gun smith, who seems to know quite a bit about shotguns, as well as being a good smith, will look at mine next week to evaluate the possibility of shooting steel shot out of it. Another gun smith that I met through a friend seemed to also believe that shooting steel should not be a problem because of the quality steel that Miroku used for making its barrels in the late 60's and early 70's. However, it's about 50-50 (yes-no for using steel shot) based on the online comments that I've received. No doubt many want to be careful and not have someone ruin a barrel, but then some feel otherwise. If no on steel, the best option is Bismuth non-toxic shells, but we are talking about $1.75 a shell.

On a related note, a friend of mine has been shooting his 1958 Browning A5 modified choke shotgun this past bird season to see what if any issues arise from shooting steel. Up to this point, he's got almost 75 shells fired with zero issues. Just thought I'd share this.
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Tom, have you shot steel out of your Daly's? My local gun smith, who seems to know quite a bit about shotguns, as well as being a good smith, will look at mine next week to evaluate the possibility of shooting steel shot out of it. Another gun smith that I met through a friend seemed to also believe that shooting steel should not be a problem because of the quality steel that Miroku used for making its barrels in the late 60's and early 70's. However, it's about 50-50 (yes-no for using steel shot) based on the online comments that I've received. No doubt many want to be careful and not have someone ruin a barrel, but then some feel otherwise. If no on steel, the best option is Bismuth non-toxic shells, but we are talking about $1.75 a shell.

On a related note, a friend of mine has been shooting his 1958 Browning A5 modified choke shotgun this past bird season to see what if any issues arise from shooting steel. Up to this point, he's got almost 75 shells fired with zero issues. Just thought I'd share this.

No I haven't and don't think I would, both are bored skeet 1 & 2. That said I've never shoot steel or anything except lead.
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... If no on steel, the best option is Bismuth non-toxic shells, but we are talking about $1.75 a shell.
Unless you are a really high volume pheasant shooter, why take a chance with steel, especially if you have other steel rated shotguns? Buy a box of bismuth, hunt with it and if you run out of bismuth, switch to your gun that shoots steel.
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Pictures? Nice finding a good background on a nice piece of gear.
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Pictures? Nice finding a good background on a nice piece of gear.
Sorry, but I am technology challenged. I could take photos if someone would post them for me.
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Cool - thanks. Sounds like quite a guy.

His public obituary (from a Google search):

https://www.theunion.com/news/obitua...eorge-frisbie/
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He began his travels early in life, attending high school in Seoul, Korea while his father served in the diplomatic corps. Upon returning to the states, he attended Monterey Peninsula College and then followed his dream by joining the Air Force. In 1955 Bill married Joan in Carmel, CA. After five years of service and flying in the first supersonic squadron, 1st Lt. Frisbie retired from the Air Force and began his 35-year career with Pan American Airways.
That's pretty cool in and of itself. Not many pilots may lay claim to that distinction.

Just think, Bull... if he were to have ever taken his shotgun along on one of these supersonic, military sorties involving a layover and perhaps a lil' huntin'... you just might have in your possession one of the world's first! supersonic shotguns.

Instead of a Superposed, you might call it a Supersonic.


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Cool - thanks. Sounds like quite a guy.



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Impressive man, and quite a career! A real honor to have one of his prized shotguns.

(Beats the hell out of getting an old shotgun from a guy who spent 4 years cleaning latrines at Ft. Dix! )
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I have a Daly Miroku 20 and have hunted ducks with steel in that gun, no problems. Mine is retro fitted with Colonial screw-in chokes, so I just open them up for steel. Be sensible with loads and chokes and you should be fine.
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I have a Daly Miroku 20 and have hunted ducks with steel in that gun, no problems. Mine is retro fitted with Colonial screw-in chokes, so I just open them up for steel. Be sensible with loads and chokes and you should be fine.
My shotgun is choked Modified and Improved Cylinder.
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I find it amazing that a simple airline luggage tag with the name W.G. Frisbie allowed me to find so much information. Plus having a friend who lives in the Bay Area with the same last name, but not related who happened to know some background on him. If the shotgun could only tell the rest of the story! I'll say this, Mr. Frisbie took excellent care of his firearms.
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As was mine before the Colonials. Don"t use big steel pellets in the Mod barrel, nothing bigger than #2. #3 kills ducks just fine and works well on wild pheasants.
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As was mine before the Colonials. Don"t use big steel pellets in the Mod barrel, nothing bigger than #2. #3 kills ducks just fine and works well on wild pheasants.
Do you think I could I use #3 or #4 for club pheasants?
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