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Just scored a 1950's era Wedgewood stove for FREE for Robb's cabin. Yay!

It looks like this, but without the window on the oven side...





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Actually, it looks exactly like this with the shelf on top and lighting underneath. We're gonna tear it apart, clean it up, put in larger jets for propane, and wire it for 12v lighting. It was in a storage unit for the past two years, but was apparently being used in a Palo Alto home full time before that. It's pretty damn clean, and the price was right.

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It was definitely a great score - Robb is very excited. He had been looking at fully refurbished stoves like this that cost upwards of $800-$1000. It's perfect for the outdoor kitchen...that we haven't built yet.

It also came with a free Big Tex single axle trailer. How convenient is that? I towed the trailer over to Robb's house on Thursday of last week and then he brought it back to the storage facility on Monday evening to load the stove on to it. He parked everything on the street in front of his house in SF until he took both up to his property Friday morning...alone.

The trailer and stove will sit up there until more muscle arrives to offload it. Then we'll fix up and flip the trailer, build the 10x20 outdoor kitchen foundation and floor, drag the stove in, then put the walls up. The stove requires four people to move when you're on dirt with no appliance dolly, etc. Robb and I could barely slide it 10" on the concrete floor of the storage unit. It's gotta be 500 lbs or more
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Great score. Were waiting for more pictures on this epic thread.
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It'll happen soon...Robb's up there now but it's been pouring rain all weekend with thunder and lightening. Robb has to figure out how to dig out the leach field pit, fill it with gravel, and get the driveway graveled at the same time. Then we can start building the outdoor kitchen. The next door neighbor guy with the portable mill might have the equipment we need to dig. Otherwise Robb will have to rent some equipment.
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We're gonna tear it apart, clean it up, put in larger jets for propane,
FYI, Propane orifices are smaller than natural gas because of higher pressure and higher btu value.
You want less gas entering the burners.
I've seen natural gas dryers running propane in Tijuana.
Talk about yellow flames with lot's of soot.
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FYI, Propane orifices are smaller than natural gas because of higher pressure and higher btu value.
You want less gas entering the burners.
I've seen natural gas dryers running propane in Tijuana.
Talk about yellow flames with lot's of soot.
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Oh ****! You're right! We had 7 or 8 people at our usual Thursday dinner & beers outing brainstorming about this. We did end up coming to the same conclusion. I mis-posted. Apparently, it not unlike re-jetting a carb. Screw 'em out, screw 'em in.


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Oh, and here's the free trailer... 3/8" American steel all the way through right out of Odessa, TX. Sidewalls are already removed. She'll dress up nice. Strong triangular tongue VS what Harbor Freight is trying to sell.

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Haha, he did not! He thought he could make it through because he had already made it through a few sections like that earlier. This one little run was a logging area so that probably didn't help.



He probably wished he had them there! His BFG All Terrains are pretty worn right now. I texted him and let him know that Tire Rack has our size KO2's on sale for $193 each right now. He said Mud Terrains would be too loud, until I reminded him that you already can't hear anything over his 7.3L haha. He's thinking about going from 33's to 35's but he might have to re-gear both diffs. With only a lifted 2WD van, I won't be headed up any time soon. We might not get started on the outdoor kitchen construction until late May June at this rate.

I had about 15k on some 35s (315/70r17) before one went flat in Jackson. I thought about buying different sizes for 10k miles, finally I had the excuse. I went to 33s (285/70r17) and it was immediately much better. Easier acceleration, easier braking, and less body roll.

35s required fender cutting by the door in my case, If you go almost to full lock you can see how close the 33s are. Articulation makes it worse too (Like pulling into a steep driveway).
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Nice vans!

Yeah, he had to cut his fenders to fit the 35's. I only have 33's on mine and I definitely rub pulling in to driveways, as you mentioned. I don't want to go through the hassle of cutting/welding my fenders so I'll probably just go the big ******* hammer route.

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Just scored a 1950's era Wedgewood stove for FREE for Robb's cabin. Yay!

It looks like this, but without the window on the oven side...





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Actually, it looks exactly like this with the shelf on top and lighting underneath. We're gonna tear it apart, clean it up, put in larger jets for propane, and wire it for 12v lighting. It was in a storage unit for the past two years, but was apparently being used in a Palo Alto home full time before that. It's pretty damn clean, and the price was right.

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I actually have both of those models of wedgewood stove. The one in my house in San Francisco was purchased by my grandparents, brand new in 1949. The other I picked up on a side job, it was on its way to the dumps. Anyway, the second, after a semi-teardown and complete dousing with oven cleaner, I brought to my hunting cabin. The cabin has propane, so I started searching the net for the proper procedure to convert to propane.

Its amazing how much misinformation is out there. The advice I would get was always "you need to change the orifice to a propane sized jet". The thing is, with these stoves, there is an orifice for each burner, including the oven and broiler.

This i learned by asking anyone i could find who was familiar with appliance repair/ gas services/ old stoves, etc.

My wife who worked for PG and E at the time asked one of the gas service guys if he knew how to convert an old wedgewood to propane. As luck would have it, he knew exactly what i needed to do.

Each stovetop burner has two orifices (orifi?), one for the simmer ring and one for the outer burner. The holes in these orifi, are large and where they are screwed down to the gas manifold, there is a needle in the manifold where the orifice screws on. How much each orifice is screwed in, and therefore, how much the tapered "needle" protrudes into the orifice hole determines the orifice size.

A Propane orifice is always smaller than a corresponding NG orifice, for the same piece of equipment. What you need to do is make the orifice smaller to make propane work with the stove.

Right now, they are all set for natural gas, which has a larger orifice size than propane. You are going to need to screw in each otifice to make it work properly with propane gas. My advice is, when you tear it down, do not unscrew the orifice without noting exactly how far it was screwed down. Best idea is to not mess with them at all, unless they are really gunked up and need removing.

I ended up tightening, with a 9/16" wrench, each orifice about a half a turn. There is really no way to measure, without specialty tools which I would have no idea what they are, the size of the orifice you are creating.

Hook up a bottle of propane with a regulator giving 11" of water column, and fire up each burner individually. The flame should look be way too big since youre pushing the propane through an orifice that is too big. Then screw the orifice in until the flame looks about right, then adjust the air shutter for barely any to zero orange at the tip of the flame.

This is a trial and error procedure, but after a while, you'll get it right. Over the years ive gone back and fine tuned a bit.

Also, regarding the pilots, at each spot where the gas pilot line meets the gas manifold, there is a slotted screw head which acts as a valve to adjust the amount of gas getting to the pilot burner. On the stove top burners, I light thepilot and adjust the screw until the pilot is an acceptable size. The screw acts just like any gas valve, with the screw slot in line with the pilot gas line, its wide open, with the slot perpendicular to the gas line, it is off.

I couldnt get the oven and broiler pilots adjusted properly with the screws, and i ended up removing them and picking up a couple of pilot burners refitted with propane orifices. I dont remember where i found these pilot burners with the propane orofice, but i do remember that it took a LOT of Googling to find them. That was about 10 years ago, they may be easier, or harder to find these days. I actually want to order some more, as my pilot seems to be clogged on the oven side.

Hope this helps.

Tldr...I know how to convert your stove to propane gas.
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^^ Thank you so much for that information mofugly!!!
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Update: Apparently the Wedgewood Stove Company, or some third party company, offers a retrofit kit for $50

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I actually have both of those models of wedgewood stove. The one in my house in San Francisco was purchased by my grandparents, brand new in 1949. The other I picked up on a side job, it was on its way to the dumps. Anyway, the second, after a semi-teardown and complete dousing with oven cleaner, I brought to my hunting cabin. The cabin has propane, so I started searching the net for the proper procedure to convert to propane.

Its amazing how much misinformation is out there. The advice I would get was always "you need to change the orifice to a propane sized jet". The thing is, with these stoves, there is an orifice for each burner, including the oven and broiler.

This i learned by asking anyone i could find who was familiar with appliance repair/ gas services/ old stoves, etc.

My wife who worked for PG and E at the time asked one of the gas service guys if he knew how to convert an old wedgewood to propane. As luck would have it, he knew exactly what i needed to do.

Each stovetop burner has two orifices (orifi?), one for the simmer ring and one for the outer burner. The holes in these orifi, are large and where they are screwed down to the gas manifold, there is a needle in the manifold where the orifice screws on. How much each orifice is screwed in, and therefore, how much the tapered "needle" protrudes into the orifice hole determines the orifice size.

A Propane orifice is always smaller than a corresponding NG orifice, for the same piece of equipment. What you need to do is make the orifice smaller to make propane work with the stove.

Right now, they are all set for natural gas, which has a smaller orifice size than propane. You are going to need to screw in each otifice to make it work properly with propane gas. My advice is, when you tear it down, do not unscrew the orifice without noting exactly how far it was screwed down. Best idea is to not mess with them at all, unless they are really gunked up and need removing.

I ended up tightening, with a 9/16" wrench, each orifice about a half a turn. There is really no way to measure, without specialty tools which I would have no idea what they are, the size of the orifice you are creating.

Hook up a bottle of propane with a regulator giving 11" of water column, and fire up each burner individually. The flame should look be way too big since youre pushing the propane through an orifice that is too big. Then screw the orifice in until the flame looks about right, then adjust the air shutter for barely any to zero orange at the tip of the flame.

This is a trial and error procedure, but after a while, you'll get it right. Over the years ive gone back and fine tuned a bit.

Also, regarding the pilots, at each spot where the gas pilot line meets the gas manifold, there is a slotted screw head which acts as a valve to adjust the amount of gas getting to the pilot burner. On the stove top burners, I light thepilot and adjust the screw until the pilot is an acceptable size. The screw acts just like any gas valve, with the screw slot in line with the pilot gas line, its wide open, with the slot perpendicular to the gas line, it is off.

I couldnt get the oven and broiler pilots adjusted properly with the screws, and i ended up removing them and picking up a couple of pilot burners refitted with propane orifices. I dont remember where i found these pilot burners with the propane orofice, but i do remember that it took a LOT of Googling to find them. That was about 10 years ago, they may be easier, or harder to find these days. I actually want to order some more, as my pilot seems to be clogged on the oven side.

Hope this helps.

Tldr...I know how to convert your stove to propane gas.
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Thank you for pointing that out. I originally typed it out and had it all backwards....then I went back and corrected it. I guess I should have checked the checker. Missed one.

I'd also like to add that there are a few companies, like AntiqueStoves.com ( I think that's the site) selling a small regulator that apparently you unscrew the top and flip it over depending on eh ether you are using propane or NG. Your gas supply should already be correctly regulated coming to t he stove, so I've never figured out how these would work. If you decide to buy one and try it out, let me know if that's all you needed to do.

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That is a magnificent old stove. I'm a Sicilian, I cook. I'm also an architect and have specified many a range in my time. In good working order that is better than most hi tech $3500 ranges on the market. They just do not make appliances like that anymore. You really gonna' leave that out in the rain to rust?! That's the one with the griddle in the middle too!

People that own things get to do as they please with them. It just seems frankly disrespectful of that beautiful old stove to me. Please tell me its at least covered somehow please.
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People that own things get to do as they please with them. It just seems frankly disrespectful of that beautiful old stove to me. Please tell me its at least covered somehow please.
I think he's got it wrapped in moving blankets and then covered with a tarp. Or, he may have managed to stuff it in the shipping container last weekend. He wouldn't let anything happen to it if he could help it.

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Couldn't make it up there this weekend because my company still hates America and doesn't believe in Holiday weekends. They actually "blacked out" Memorial Day weekend so you couldn't even schedule days off as vacation time! But, here's a couple of photos.

Jen and Ella relaxing on the new lounge (Ella is the dog for the newbies )...

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New bridge over the creek to access the "hiking" (dirt biking) trails. Hikers wouldn't need a ramp ...

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And for Sully. He's upset he's not there this weekend but he's been having fun at Fort Funston every day this weekend...

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Seriously! I put in a request for 6/18 off over a month ago and it still hasn't been approved. Thankfully we have cell signal up there so I can just call in sick on that morning, but I don't wanna get up that early. Gotta talk to my Regional VP about this tomorrow. This is ridiculous.

I'm up to almost 90 hours of PTO now. World Superbike at Laguna Seca will eat up three days of that. The rest I have saved up for building the outdoor kitchen/screened porch...and a trip down to Baja with Robb and the GF's for the Baja 1000.

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Ah, you gotta be ****ing kidding me. Finally got the 18th off but everything is just falling apart. The GF has press passes to the reggae festival in Booneville, so she has to work her radio job that weekend. She gone.

So, one option would be getting a gate key from Robb Thursday night as we drink Guinness and go up early Friday. Or, I could wait around to pick up his GF mid-afternoon on Friday, driving up with all three dogs with Robb arriving late Friday on his motorcycle.

Then I'd be on the hook to deliver his GF and dog back home on Sunday because he has to go Fresno to pick up his van at the Sportsmobile factory following his RV refurbishment including new windows, new cabinets, etc.

I'm thinking I might just take the dogs back to PiPi alone and watch some wood burn.
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Alone and watch wood burn with Man's best friend's sounds like the best option.
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Funny how things change!!! Reggae festival trip is cancelled!

I'm headed up early next Friday with the gate key. Robb will arrive Friday afternoon on his motorcycle. Francesca and Jen will come up Saturday morning in the Mini Cooper.

Weather is gonna be HOT! Looking at 100+ crossing the valley and 90's in Nevada City. It'll be 10 cooler at the cabin.

Taking our Sportsmobile to the local A/C shop tomorrow and praying they can get things working.

LOL! So much drama.

edit: A/C shop couldn't fit me in today. Gotta find another shop or this trip is gonna be brutal.

edit #2: got the Sportsmobile into a shop tomorrow morning for an A/C assessment. Wish me luck!

edit #3: auxiliary A/C condenser is trashed. Since both systems are tied together, no A/C on the drive this weekend. That'll suck but, hey, we'll be camping. Robb is excited because he just got Super Plush Suspension to work over his new Africa Twin yesterday
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Pics from Friday:

Requisite van photo. It was only the four of us so we could have slept in the cabin but we love the van.



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Bacon topped pork loin, asparagus, green onion and potato dinner...



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Grey water

Mulched basins around citrus trees is a way to go. Citrus will drink up every last drop and tolerate heat. Cold not so much.

Maples are another tree that will suck up all the water and will tolerate freeze. Big leaf maples produce delicious syrup, FYI.
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Mulched basins around citrus trees is a way to go. Citrus will drink up every last drop and tolerate heat. Cold not so much.

Maples are another tree that will suck up all the water and will tolerate freeze. Big leaf maples produce delicious syrup, FYI.
No citrus around, but he's got large leaf maples all over the property...just not in the immediate vicinity of where the outdoor kitchen will be built.

Just got home. Will post more pics this evening. Damn it was hot.
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Leach field and outdoor kitchen construction will begins in September or October when Robb finishes his contract at Schwab. He'll have six months off then and figures there's no point starting it now when it's so hot and more difficult to get up there.

Here's the pictures of us kind of working this weekend...


The cabin looks pretty much the same on the outside but they've made a few minor improvements inside related to the 12v lighting system. The biggest improvement is the much smaller and downward facing lights in the stairwell, but Robb also installed a couple of single LED red night lights so you don't smash your face into the post in the middle of the room by the day bed at night (See post #138). Jen has also done some more decorating, of course...

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The plan for yesterday was to get his free stove off of our free trailer. We couldn't find the large hitch ball so we chained the trailer to the ATV rack. Safety third!...

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We only had to go about 100 feet down the driveway to find a place to put the stove and find a shady place to work on the trailer. Curtis approved...

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We grabbed some lumber left over from the dirt bike bridge (See Post #340) and fashioned a ramp to slide the stove off the trailer. Then we got it situated out of the way...

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sfarchitect, we re-covered the stove before we left today. It's in exactly the same shape it was in when we picked it up

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We didn't get a whole lot done on the trailer refurb but we did get started on it. We got the wood off so we could check everything underneath. Just surface rust. The axle and springs look good...

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We also stripped off all the lights and old wiring. We'll go all new on that stuff because it's only like $30 or so for the full kit.

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Then, while we had the generator near the dirt bike bridge, we walked down to the creek and cleaned up the railing cables. The next FNG that wants to come camp up there has to haul that pile of wood up to the cabin, along with an even bigger pile on the other side of the bridge. That's the rules...

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By this time, it was getting really hot so we decided our time would be better spent drinking beer by the creek...

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So nice and cool down there!

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Beautiful weekend, obviously, and a lot cooler when you're down near the creek. Robb didn't want to grind/sand on the trailer where we dropped it. He wants to do that up by the house pad, but it's 10-15 degrees hotter up there. Beer just seemed like the right decision this weekend...

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The GF's arrived around 1:00pm yesterday and enjoyed themselves and the dogs. Then we all had a nice dinner...

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London broil, corn, more asparagus and green onions, and more potatoes but with sour cream and chives this time...

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Aaaaaand dog pictures...


Gladys in the dirt...

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Curtis in the van...

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Gladys in the van...

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Curtis on the dirt bike bridge...

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And, of course, Robb and Jen's little Ella...

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I'm very sad to report that "Fossil" has passed on. He was 16 years old. Just had a beer with his Dad last Thursday night. 16 is a good run but it's still sad. Knew him since he was maybe two years old. RIP Fossy - I'll miss rubbing your belly

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Our Gladys and Fossil had been camping friends for well over a decade. Last year at Laguna Seca World Superbike...

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Your thread has inspired me to build! I inherited several parcels of land, this one being semi remote only have roughly 1/2 acre to build on(the other 39.5 acres being rather rugged and steep)gives me a great views of the middle fork Yuba river.
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I've been watching and following your posts for a while....I know what I want to do when I grow up now...lol at lease some day build my own getaway cabin.
Good work keep up with the pictures and posts.
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Thanks. Wish we got more done that weekend but it was damn hot. I hope we build the screened porch/kitchen in October when it's cooler. My company pays out all my PTO over 40 hours in early November so I gotta use it up before then. Robb and I might just spend 10-12 days up there together swinging hammers, with the GFs and other help coming up on the weekends.

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I will definitely continue to post every detail of this ongoing project. I also want to do this myself when I grow up haha...just not in CA
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