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Old 05-07-2018, 4:03 PM
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I was looking at the 700 5R milspec gen II but would prefer not to have the flutes. Want to stay around 24-26in for maximum velocity. Prefer a fiberglass stock and prefer the 700. Any 700s I’m missing in the lineup?
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I was looking at the 700 5R milspec gen II
Looking a the same rifle. You could always shoot the barrel out then replace. My secret plan ...
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Most 700 can way over shoot their owners.

We are in a weird time where a 1/4” from a bipod is fairly normal. Less from a rest.




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My buddy recently bought a Christiansen Arms in 6.5 creed. Seems like a nice rifle
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Take your pic, seems to all shoot about the same.

Ruger RPR
Tikka T3 / CTR
Bergara BMP
Rem 700 5R

Only thing about the 700's is no bottom metal to start. Once you go DBM it's tough to go back

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Take your pic, seems to all shoot about the same.

Ruger RPR
Tikka T3 / CTR
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Rem 700 5R

Only thing about the 700's is no bottom metal to start. Once you go DBM it's tough to go back
This, we're at a good time where there are good options for under the price point you're looking at all easily sub-moa.
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I'd go 700 or Bergara. As long as Tikka uses $150 mags I will never consider one, you pretty much have to buy a chassis for it.
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Howa Bravo or a Tikka Tac. Those would be my two choices if I was going to buy a factory rifle today. The Berga's don't quite have the time in the field yet to say how good they are. Inatail reports are good, but I'd like to see how they do after a few years.

My biggest issue with the 5R 700 is the cost vs features. No bottom metal, non adjustable stock, no oversized bolt knob. These are all things that a majority of shooters end up doing to their rifle anyways. Why not start with a rifle that has all those features.
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My biggest issue with the 5R 700 is the cost vs features. No bottom metal, non adjustable stock, no oversized bolt knob. These are all things that a majority of shooters end up doing to their rifle anyways. Why not start with a rifle that has all those features.
The factory Magpul 700 has all of those and it’s cheaper than then gen2 the OP is considering but it’s a 22” barrel and he wants 24”.
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The factory Magpul 700 has all of those and it’s cheaper than then gen2 the OP is considering but it’s a 22” barrel and he wants 24”.
The Magpul stock leaves a lot to be desired. Yes it has adjustable cheek pieces, but its not infintnaly adjustable, and you have to remove the cheek riser to clean your rifle. It has a aluminum bedding block, but its only for the action area. That leaves the forend flexible and it will torque when under pressure from a bi-pod. Its good, but again I think there is better values out there.
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For those that aren't familiar with the Howa KRG Bravo, it gives a lot of bang for the buck, so to speak. It uses Remington 700 scope mounting. MOA accuracy guarantee.

Under $1k:
http://www.mrgundealer.com/rifles/bo...26-thrd-blk-65

The stock may look similar to the Bergara HMR stock, but it's pretty serious business. It takes the KRG accessories, like the plate for an Arca rail, spigot mount, etc.
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Which one has the most aftermarket support ?
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Which one needs the most aftermarket support?

Probably the same answer for both questions.
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Which one needs the most aftermarket support?
None of them NEED aftermarket support.
None of the rifles care if they can be reconfigured to suit their owners or not.

Only buyer/owners WANT aftermarket support.
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Which one needs the most aftermarket.
I removed my response to your comment for two reasons.

1. The op asked a reasonable question concerning the future purchase of a firearm.
2. Your post as quoted above was/is silly.
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Looks like the 700 PCR in 6.5 CM are finally in stock @ GAG a week after I bought the 700 5R gen 2. I also looked at the Bergara HMR, Savage BA Stealth evolution. Couldn’t wait and bought the 5R gen 2 for $800 @ GAG. I’ll be dropping it in the MDT LSS XL chassis. My main reason for choosing Rem was Triggertech only makes the triggers on Rem 700 for now.

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Looks like the 700 PCR in 6.5 CM are finally in stock @ GAG a week after I bought the 700 5R gen 2. I also looked at the Bergara HMR, Savage BA Stealth evolution. Couldn’t wait and bought the 5R gen 2 for $800 @ GAG. I’ll be dropping it in the MDT LSS XL chassis. My main reason for choosing Rem was Triggertech only makes the triggers on Rem 700 for now.
Woah! That looks like a contender! Any downsides of this rifle versus the Ruger RPR? I really like the idea of sticking with a 700 action. Very good price point too. Do they offer it in MLOK or do they plan to?

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I think your good to go with that vs a RPR. At least here you can always change the chassis or put it in a stock later on if you want.



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At least here you can always change the chassis or put it in a stock later on if you want.
Like after your first day of shooting in sub 30 degree weather...
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Woah! That looks like a contender! Any downsides of this rifle versus the Ruger RPR? I really like the idea of sticking with a 700 action. Very good price point too. Do they offer it in MLOK or do they plan to?

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Grabagun.com $917.04 and 2 left better buy it now. Just in the square mod which is only compatible to key mod.
https://grabagun.com/remington-84586...olt-rifle.html

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I'd go 700 or Bergara. As long as Tikka uses $150 mags I will never consider one, you pretty much have to buy a chassis for it.
??? Do you mean a special mag for a certain specific model of Tikka ? You didn't say so, but failing in that Tikka mags are no more than anyone else's.

This is a Tikka factory magazine.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/10...er-steel-black
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I think for most 10rd mags are to be standard. Unless you are hunting. I imagine a great percentage are looking for a bolt action for target shooting or LRS. IMHO the RPR is the best rifle right out of the gate. Even with magpul mag length rounds I pulled a .373 group, others were half to sub MOA doing ladder loads. RPR has a folding stock, 20 MOA Rail, Muzzle Break, able to utilize almost every mag you probably own, $30 10rd AI Style Ruger Brand Mags for better accuracy. Everything above except mags are right out of the box.

Some could care less, some WANT all those abilities. It's all about what you individually are looking for. For me the RPR was the best choice for what I wanted. For some a 700 is fine. But I'm sure people don't think about what you spend AFTER you buy the rifle.

TLDR: Tikka 10rd mags are ridiculously expensive, 10rd mags are what most want, RPR is an amazing chassis rifle right out of the box.
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Why does anyone need a 10-round magazine ? Dead serious. Only reason I can think of is to have it hang like an nice ballsack, a tacticool badge of honor. Just another reason to justify shopping like a little girl.
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I ended up buying the Remington 700 5R gen 2 24” fluted barrel in 6.5 CM and dropped it in a MDT LSS XL chassis. I already had the MDT skeletonized v4 stock. Also ordered the TriggerTech special trigger coming inbound. I put on the Ergo Deluxe grip with shelf and used the PSW comp off my Scar 17.
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Looks like a great setup and let us know on the trigger. Those are the new hot triggers I keep hearing about.
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Looks like a great setup and let us know on the trigger. Those are the new hot triggers I keep hearing about.
One cool thing is they are externally adjustable by clicks, one ounce per click. They are also better enclosed than most triggers, keeping dirt and dust out. Something the PRS guys like.
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Why does anyone need a 10-round magazine ? Dead serious. Only reason I can think of is to have it hang like an nice ballsack, a tacticool badge of honor. Just another reason to justify shopping like a little girl.
With the exception of competition, people want them because they look cool.
Basically, the same reason people want chassis systems with pistol grips and long tubular handguards.
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Your scope looks to be about 3/4" too high.
Get that front cap as close to the barrel as possible...
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It's on a Sphur QDP-4602 1.5" height which is a 20 moa cant on top of the MDT 20 moa rail. It's meant to be on top of a continuous monolithic rail which the objective lens cover barely clears on my Scar 17. It just looks high since the rail is only enough for the top of the action. The scope has 36 mils of elevation adjustment so it is now all useable at long range.

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If you mount it too low you might run into the probelm the Aussie youtube long range guys had - with a ton of cant like you have, they were shooting at 4000+ yards and at max elevation they couldn't see the target because the brake was in the way.
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Your scope looks to be about 3/4" too high.
Get that front cap as close to the barrel as possible...
If the cheek weld works, if the body feels good, why does the scope need to be slammed to the barrel?

Personally, I find that I can build a better position running taller rings, easier for me to keep my hips square..a better position when looking through glasses.. The attached image form a match this weekend that clearly shows my issues/alignment choice as to not have to tilt my head and look through the very top of my glasses.


I am not saying high is for anyone but me.. but I do not think old "hunters" logic (before adj. riser were mainstream) needs to apply to everyone.

On my 6.5 here are rough numbers on two scope rings I use. One is used on a different gun with a standard hunter stock. The 1.8" numbers are theoretical coming out of the 6.5 pictured with the 2.4 SOB..

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2.4" SOB = 10.6
1.8" SOB = 10.8
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1.8" SOB = 6.5
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2.4" SOB = 3.2
1.8" SOB = 3.4
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2.4" SOB = 9
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PS- Sure it looks close on my AX chassis over that hand guard you think is stupid, but allows me to run Hard Gear Rails etc and slide my bipod back as a recoil reducer in front of the GC or side it to shoot off a small foot print. But mainly I like the folder for air transport and the fact that it locks up better than the ones I've tried on Mannors in the past.
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If you mount it too low you might run into the probelm the Aussie youtube long range guys had - with a ton of cant like you have, they were shooting at 4000+ yards and at max elevation they couldn't see the target because the brake was in the way.
The combined cant is 12 Mils and with 36 Mils of adjustment I should be ok. I have to zero the scope again because it was zeroed @ 100 for 6 Mils of cant and after I set the zero stop for that I still had some unusable elevation adjustment. I like that it’s a little higher now for the reasons diver160651 mentioned.

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If the cheek weld works, if the body feels good, why does the scope need to be slammed to the barrel?

Personally, I find that I can build a better position running taller rings, easier for me to keep my hips square..a better position when looking through glasses.
Same experience here. I ditched my Manners for the Accurate Chassis on my HCR and played with scope height to find out I like them a little higher. It's just much more comfortable in my hands.
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Competitions and a hillside full of ground squirrels are two reasons Ive used 10 round mags in a bolt gun. But Im sure its really just because im actually all those nice things you typed.
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??? Do you mean a special mag for a certain specific model of Tikka ? You didn't say so, but failing in that Tikka mags are no more than anyone else's.

This is a Tikka factory magazine.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/10...er-steel-black
http://www.berettausa.com/en-us/comp...-rd/s57465173/

$100 for a 5 rd mag. Not acceptable in my opinion. It does look like they are not $150 anymore so there is that.
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